Ivan Toney - Eight Month Ban

[ClaretTony]

Just announced

[ClaretTony]

With immediate effect which means he'll be able to play again next January.

[distortiondave]

What's the point of such a big punishment if a third of it is spent in the off season - or is it a total ban away from training and everything?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What's the point of such a big punishment if a third of it is spent in the off season - or is it a total ban away from training and everything?

All football related activities, so he can't even train with/at the club I think.

If he can't train with the club until mid January, then he's going to take a while to get match fit etc

[Cirrus_Minor]

Wow

[claretonthecoast1882]

What's the point of such a big punishment if a third of it is spent in the off season - or is it a total ban away from training and everything?

Allowed to train during the last 4 months of his ban

Feel he has got off very lightly

[Lancasterclaret]

Allowed to train during the last 4 months of his ban

Feel he has got off very lightly

Not sure you can call it light tbh

Its a short career, and eight month ban is pretty severe in that context

[grapidianclaret]

What's the point of such a big punishment if a third of it is spent in the off season - or is it a total ban away from training and everything?

They treat him like a French goose for 8 months. Force feed him high calorie diet and cage him so that he can not move.
then they release him in January once he has cleaned the cage and returned it in good working order.

[grapidianclaret]

Is he allowed to gamble during those eight months?

[agreenwood]

What's the point of such a big punishment if a third of it is spent in the off season - or is it a total ban away from training and everything?

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’ve waited until the point when Brentford’s season boils down to whether they finish 9th or 10th and have the 3-month off season ahead.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Not sure you can call it light tbh

Its a short career, and eight month ban is pretty severe in that context

His first 3 months of this ban he misses 2 games.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Allowed to train during the last 4 months of his ban

Feel he has got off very lightly

He can train all the way through, just away from the club.

Are you saying he can train with the club for the last 4mths?
I haven't seen that mentioned in the FA's statement

[distortiondave]

So he gets 4 months off, 4 months to get fit, then four months of the season to end up in the England Squad for the summer.

It's not a bad life, is it?

[Lancasterclaret]

His first 3 months of this ban he misses 2 games.

Yes, but missing a pre-season and the first six months of the season is still big

You'd expect it to have an effect on Brentford summer transfer plans as well

Good news for us though, as Brentford will miss him a lot

[claretonthecoast1882]

He can train all the way through, just away from the club.

Are you saying he can train with the club for the last 4mths?
I haven't seen that mentioned in the FA's statement

Yeah can train with his club from 17th September

[Woodleyclaret]

Soft, didn't Joey B get 18month ban?

[nil_desperandum]

Put money on it now: his first game back will be a home game against ....... Burnley.

[Pearcey]

Not really 8 months is it. More like 5 months but it’s still a fit chunk of the season.

[Lip]

Should have been a minimum of 1 year at least.

[Vegas Claret]

so part of his ban is during summer when he's not playing anyway ?

[RVclaret]

Barton was banned for 18 months. Did he do more or less than Toney? Sorry haven’t read the details.

[NottsClaret]

Always seem a bit contradictory these bans for gambling. Some very harsh punishments while the game is absolutely swimming in money from that industry.

[Milltown1882]

Was always gonna be done when Brentford couldn’t get in Europe anymore.

[NewClaret]

Is he allowed to gamble during those eight months?

[Rowls]

Seems broadly comensurate with Barton's ban.

[jdrobbo]

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that they’ve waited until the point when Brentford’s season boils down to whether they finish 9th or 10th and have the 3-month off season ahead.

Agree!

[Tricky Trevor]

They won’t be selling him then.

[Caernarfon_Claret]

Barton was banned for 18 months. Did he do more or less than Toney? Sorry haven’t read the details.

Had about 5 months taken off the 18 on appeal apparently.

[Spiral]

Ivan Benjamin Elijah Toney

Nominative determinism.

Poor lad can't even buy a pack of panini stickers from the newsagent until January.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/statu ... S-iLg&s=19

Probably lucky he only got an 8 mth ban

[aggi]

Soft, didn't Joey B get 18month ban?

Barton put a number of bets on his own team (sometimes to lose) which, understandably, is seen as worse.

Edit: Although it seems that Toney did bet on himself too.

[agreenwood]

Barton put a number of bets on his own team (sometimes to lose) which, understandably, is seen as worse.

Edit: Although it seems that Toney did bet on himself too.

I’ve just read a few old articles about Barton’s ban. The guardian said he’d placed “at least 5” bets on games he played in. Toney seems to have placed a lot more than that on games he had a direct influence over.

I think it was the volume and time period they came over that did for Barton. It was over a thousand bets over 12 years.

[daveisaclaret]

Barton bet on his team to lose in games he was on the bench for, didn't he?

The worst of Toney's offences are betting on Wigan to lose when he was on loan there, but in games he wasn't playing in. That's two of the 262 charges I think. The rest frankly should just be legal. It's very silly to do it when it's against the rules but if gambling is going to be such a big part of the sport I don't see why players should be excluded from it.

[Darnhill Claret]

If the games aren't fixed, what's the problem?

[Burnley Ace]

He’s been diagnosed with a gambling addiction and had 13 bets on his team to lose.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If the games aren't fixed, what's the problem?

He bet on himself to score on a number of occasions

What's to say he didn't have a word with the opposing GK?
There's no proof, but it's not a huge leap to think it could happen.

[Jellybean]

Reduced from 11 months to 8 because an expert said he has a gambling addiction. As others have said he'll be back in January and can help Brentford for the second half of the season, because they got an expert to say he has an addiction. What's the betting (!) he scores summer vital goals and has enough time to prepare and get into the England squad. Hard not to be cynical.

[aggi]

He bet on himself to score on a number of occasions

What's to say he didn't have a word with the opposing GK?
There's no proof, but it's not a huge leap to think it could happen.

I mean that does seem a bit of a leap given the wages that professional footballers are on.

More of an issue in that he is there to influence it though. Choose to shoot rather than pass at some point.

[dsr]

Barton bet on his team to lose in games he was on the bench for, didn't he?

The worst of Toney's offences are betting on Wigan to lose when he was on loan there, but in games he wasn't playing in. That's two of the 262 charges I think. The rest frankly should just be legal. It's very silly to do it when it's against the rules but if gambling is going to be such a big part of the sport I don't see why players should be excluded from it.

Barton, from memory, placed just 1 single bet on Newcastle to lose, on an away game in London. It was a £2 bet on a game where he had been left behind in Newcastle and was sulking.

He had three bets, again from memory, on games that he was playing in, but all were to win.

[dsr]

Reduced from 11 months to 8 because an expert said he has a gambling addiction. As others have said he'll be back in January and can help Brentford for the second half of the season, because they got an expert to say he has an addiction. What's the betting (!) he scores summer vital goals and has enough time to prepare and get into the England squad. Hard not to be cynical.

I wonder what the medical distinction is between someone who has a gambling addiction, and someone who can't stop gambling? And why does it make a difference? Alcoholics don't get a lesser punishment for drunk driving!

Were all his bets trivial £2 and £5 stuff like Barton?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I mean that does seem a bit of a leap given the wages that professional footballers are on.

More of an issue in that he is there to influence it though. Choose to shoot rather than pass at some point.

Le Tissier put the ball out for a throw in, yet he was on good money at the time.

The leap isn't that big and when they're hooked on gambling they'll do whatever

[aggi]

Le Tissier put the ball out for a throw in, yet he was on good money at the time.

The leap isn't that big and when they're hooked on gambling they'll do whatever

I don't disagree with that part, I meant what is in it for the opposition keeper to go along with him.

[kentonclaret]

He bet on himself to score on a number of occasions

What's to say he didn't have a word with the opposing GK?
There's no proof, but it's not a huge leap to think it could happen.

I’d wager he didn’t bet on himself to score in the final game against Leeds last season.

Brentford never turned up for that match.

[dsr]

Le Tissier put the ball out for a throw in, yet he was on good money at the time.

The leap isn't that big and when they're hooked on gambling they'll do whatever

Le Tissier did his for a bit of fun in a time when gambling wasn't seen as the be-all and end-all of football. "First throw-in" then was seen (as it should be) as a joke bet. Le Tissier's bet would be seen as a far worse offence today.

[Spijed]

Le Tissier put the ball out for a throw in, yet he was on good money at the time.

The leap isn't that big and when they're hooked on gambling they'll do whatever

Never understood why Le Tissier was never banned from football related activities as he admitted he cheated. Even though he'd retired he should have been barred from coaching and any managerial roles for a period of time should he have chosen to go down that route.

[Devils_Advocate]

Never understood why Le Tissier was never banned from football related activities as he admitted he cheated. Even though he'd retired he should have been barred from coaching and any managerial roles for a period of time should he have chosen to go down that route.

I think he got his Karma in the end turning into a fruitcake who hangs out with Dr Johnny Bananas & Right Said Fred

[Elizabeth]

Clearly Toney has a very serious problem

[bfcjg]

His ban is like that of a motorist who kills or maims due to dangerous driving, and the driving ban starts whilst offender is in prison, surely he should be banned for 8 playing months. Annoying isn't it, he bets to score so trust harder when he doesn't bet on himself as an earlier poster alluded to ie and perhaps Leeds at home last game of last season he doesn't really give a sh1t about the integrity of the league. In fact ban him for 10 years, a proper deterrent is needed or every game could be open to suspicion.

[DCWat]

Clearly Toney has a very serious problem

Aye, but he’s fine to carry on gambling as long as it’s not on football.

His other serious problem is stupidity. Stupid for doing it and stupid for getting caught.

Was he betting using his own account, in his own name? It’s surely pretty easy for a footballer to use a mates account for his betting, if he so wishes. No one would be any the wiser, unless their mate shops them.

[basil6345789]

Betted against his own team - should be sine die