Lancashire League 28th May

[Quickenthetempo]

QEGS still have some tremendous facilities of their own at Lammack, and their own swimming pool. However the focus on Sport appears to be nothing like it was. Saturday football fixtures are much reduced, and standards have dropped considerably. QEGS won the ISFA Cup in 1996,2001 & 2004, and used to play Rugby as a 2nd sport, usually against the 2nd XV's of the major Rugby Schools ..

As for East Lancs, a couple of years ago their 1st XI were largely white, with both their 2nd/3rd teams coming from the Asian population. The situation seems to be more mixed now, which can only be good. As others have said, Blackburn's population in the last census in 2021 showed an Asian/British Asian percentage of 35.8%, and the area around QEGS/East Lancs certainly reflects that.

We played against QEGS at football for Gawthorpe in the 1st year. They had James Beattie playing centre half who was rumoured to be a swimmer for England.
We had a good team but weren't coached at all.
The QEGS side all run out at the same time to catch us all off side from a free kick and everyone looked at each other to say what's going on.
Obviously well coached.

We still beat them 3 nil though.

[Somethingfishy]

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Photo i took at Rochdale today.

[Burnley1989]

Lowerhouse lose at Great Eccleston, cracking little ground but shouldn’t have lost that really.
Gave a lot of younger lads a chance but some of the regular 1st team should have gone bigger on a tiny ground.
Good weekend though really.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Rawtenstall beat Church by 6 wickets at home. Hat trick for the pro followed by 69 not out.

[Silkyskills1]

Rawtenstall beat Church by 6 wickets at home. Hat trick for the pro followed by 69 not out.

The juggernaut is on the move again.

[ClaretTony]

Also wins today for Accrington, Greenmount, Middleton, Great Harwood & East Lancs.

[Somethingfishy]

House out of the Lancs Cup at Great Eccleston. The hosts posted 203. House..with several 2nd teamers being given a runout...never looked like getting near as the wickets were chucked away at regular intervals. Jo Hawke with a quick 50 kept the hope up but he was the final man out about 30 short of the target.
Lovely day out at a nice little ground. Very friendly club too.

[Dressinggown]

Apart from the result it was a good day out.

[Somethingfishy]

Apart from the result it was a good day out.

Indeed..although I doubt there will be too many shedding a tear within the club. I know many see it as a needless distraction from the bread and butter competitions. We would have been away in all subsequent rounds too with how the draw works out...so it's not like we would miss out on any bar takings etc. Great Eccleston will be away to Longridge (who beat Clitheroe today)..and the winners away in the semis.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Couldn’t see any updates on last nights games:

Wins for Burnley and Nelson.
Defeats for Lowerhouse and Colne.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Upthecolne

[Brucefanclaret]

Walsden beat Ramsbottom

[Burnley1989]

Poor game last night, Clitheroe one of those pitches I hate, I’ve seen better up towneley. They’re a strong T20 side though, definitely one of the favourites for me.

Lowerhouse at home to Rammy today in 1/4 finals of Worsley Cup, strong side out, should be a good game

[Dressinggown]

Lowerhouse proved too strong against Ramsbottom in the Worsley Cup this be afternoon.

Haasbrook was pick of the batters with 121 as the home side posted 280 odd.

Rammy got off to a decent start until their pro was out. They then capitulated and we're all out for 164 with Paddy Martin doing the business with the ball.

[bfcmik]

Lowerhouse proved too strong against Ramsbottom in the Worsley Cup this be afternoon.

Haasbrook was pick of the batters with 121 as the home side posted 280 odd.

Rammy got off to a decent start until their pro was out. They then capitulated and we're all out for 164 with Paddy Martin doing the business with the ball.

Watched most of it live on YouTube, some really good cricket from both teams, especially during th'House innings

[Burnley1989]

Parry’s bowling was unplayable yesterday, best I’ve seen him bowl, think he went for about 5 runs off 8 overs.

Far too strong for Rammy who look very light this year, pro looked good though.

Big game today, two very good sides

[Longsidelenny1882]

Just checked the scores and report from yesterday how many pros have lower house got playing for them the lancs league committee must be well happy what they have created upthecolne

[Burnley1989]

Just checked the scores and report from yesterday how many pros have lower house got playing for them the lancs league committee must be well happy what they have created upthecolne

They said they’ve not been has happy since Burnley had Michael & David Brown and Jonny Claire playing in the cup.

Up the colne

[ClaretTony]

Both Burnley and Lowerhouse in good positions today until the rain came seeing both games abandoned

[Bordeauxclaret]

Not much luck today with the weather.

Lowerhouse paid man Haasbroek hit his 2nd century of the weekend which proved in vain as the weather moved in.

Similar for Liam Bedford for Burnley.

Nelson got off the hook at Greenmount with the game abandoned at the interval.

Colne mugged off Middleton who were 65 for 2 after 8 chasing a revised total of 78 from 20 overs when the game was abandoned.

[arise_sir_charge]

Not much luck today with the weather.

Lowerhouse paid man Haasbroek hit his 2nd century of the weekend which proved in vain as the weather moved in.

Similar for Liam Bedford for Burnley.

Nelson got off the hook at Greenmount with the game abandoned at the interval.

Colne mugged off Middleton who were 65 for 2 after 8 chasing a revised total of 78 from 20 overs when the game was abandoned.

I think you’ve mixed the players up, Haasbroek is an amateur and de Swardt is the paid man. To be fair the pro did get a run a ball 63.

[Dressinggown]

Keeps things interesting at the top.

[Hopey]

The deluge was mental down at the club yesterday.

[ClaretTony]

The deluge was mental down at the club yesterday.

That link doesn't work for me - tells me I have to sign in to Google.

[Hopey]

This one will.

[Clarets4me]

Just checked the scores and report from yesterday how many pros have lower house got playing for them the lancs league committee must be well happy what they have created upthecolne

I suspect this has been answered before, but Francois Haasbroek has not been a " pro " for several years, works at school in the Ribble Valley, and lives locally. Stephen Parry was released by Lancashire in 2020, and is now Head Coach of the Manchester Originals women's " hundred " team.

The Lancashire League has strict rules about former " Pro's " returning to play as amateurs, which is only right. It is brilliant that the youngsters at Lowerhouse have their knowledge and experience to learn from, and more Clubs should try and get older former professionals involved. I'm sure no-one at Burnley would have a problem if a certain J.M.Anderson returned as an " amateur " for one last season once he retires, especially not the Treasurer !!

[Quickenthetempo]

I suspect this has been answered before, but Francois Haasbroek has not been a " pro " for several years, works at school in the Ribble Valley, and lives locally. Stephen Parry was released by Lancashire in 2020, and is now Head Coach of the Manchester Originals women's " hundred " team.

The Lancashire League has strict rules about former " Pro's " returning to play as amateurs, which is only right. It is brilliant that the youngsters at Lowerhouse have their knowledge and experience to learn from, and more Clubs should try and get older former professionals involved. I'm sure no-one at Burnley would have a problem if a certain J.M.Anderson returned as an " amateur " for one last season once he retires, especially not the Treasurer !!

People have different views.

Some won't like the fact an overseas player, former pro plays for a club.
Some don't like former professionals returning to play for their boyhood clubs.

Some just want the strongest league possible and want the best players in it.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Forecast looks to have improved slightly for tomorrow now.

Edit - wrong thread

[arise_sir_charge]

People have different views.

Some won't like the fact an overseas player, former pro plays for a club.
Some don't like former professionals returning to play for their boyhood clubs.

Some just want the strongest league possible and want the best players in it.

Thing is though, they aren’t overseas if they are domiciled in the UK. Why stop them playing cricket?

I’d extend it so that if a lad is playing as a pro in another league, he should be allowed to play for his junior club in another league if there is no fixture clash. As an example, Jack Edgar could play for Lowerhouse if Padiham weren’t playing. I think it allows those players to earn some money proing and keeps good players in leagues and extends the talent pot for everyone. There are loads of examples that would strengthen teams and leagues.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Thing is though, they aren’t overseas if they are domiciled in the UK. Why stop them playing cricket?

I’d extend it so that if a lad is playing as a pro in another league, he should be allowed to play for his junior club in another league if there is no fixture clash. As an example, Jack Edgar could play for Lowerhouse if Padiham weren’t playing. I think it allows those players to earn some money proing and keeps good players in leagues and extends the talent pot for everyone. There are loads of examples that would strengthen teams and leagues.

The old "farm club" system they had in football over here could work. If a Lowerhouse 1st team player wasn't going to be involved in the 1st team that day/weekend, you could send him to your farm club, in this hypothetical case, Padiham. This could, arguably give the player a more valuable game time than dropping into the 2nd XI for a game, and allow the 2nd XI to focus more on player development.

[Quickenthetempo]

Thing is though, they aren’t overseas if they are domiciled in the UK. Why stop them playing cricket?

I’d extend it so that if a lad is playing as a pro in another league, he should be allowed to play for his junior club in another league if there is no fixture clash. As an example, Jack Edgar could play for Lowerhouse if Padiham weren’t playing. I think it allows those players to earn some money proing and keeps good players in leagues and extends the talent pot for everyone. There are loads of examples that would strengthen teams and leagues.

Yeah it was a simplified way of looking at it. But I presume he was a first class professional in South Africa to get his work permit?

Not sure a local pro would want the extra games with how many triple headers they play these days. Maybe young single lads would?
Family time wins far more often than cricket these days.

I don't know why the Lancs league don't bring in OAs like the Ribb league/NWCL? Makes the league far stronger and with overs restrictions, doesn't hamper progress of others.

[arise_sir_charge]

Yeah it was a simplified way of looking at it. But I presume he was a first class professional in South Africa to get his work permit?

Not sure a local pro would want the extra games with how many triple headers they play these days. Maybe young single lads would?
Family time wins far more often than cricket these days.

I don't know why the Lancs league don't bring in OAs like the Ribb league/NWCL? Makes the league far stronger and with overs restrictions, doesn't hamper progress of others.

Yes he was a first class cricketer in SA but that’s over ten years ago.

We have the option of an OA instead of a pro, Norden have chosen this for 2023.

OA’s may be something that gets introduced in time. Although with work permits how they are I’d not be surprised if OA’s are clamped down on.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Is Joe Scuderi one of the finest players ever to grace the league?

[Hopey]

Is Joe Scuderi one of the finest players ever to grace the league?

Sits at 6th in all time run scorers.

[Quickenthetempo]

Yes he was a first class cricketer in SA but that’s over ten years ago.

We have the option of an OA instead of a pro, Norden have chosen this for 2023.

OA’s may be something that gets introduced in time. Although with work permits how they are I’d not be surprised if OA’s are clamped down on.

I was hoping the rules for bringing cricketers over would relax again after the recent changes in football.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Sits at 6th in all time run scorers.

Look at that average as well compared to those around him in the table!

[ClaretTony]

Is Joe Scuderi one of the finest players ever to grace the league?

Nowhere near

[StayingDown4Ever]

Nowhere near

His stats look excellent going off that table which was just posted.

[ClaretTony]

Just look at the astonishing Everton Weekes down that list. Before my time but everyone I ever spoke to about him said he was the league’s greatest ever batsman.

[Quickenthetempo]

There's a poster on here who has a decent record, making the top 20 in half the games of the top rankings.

[ClaretTony]

There's a poster on here who has a decent record, making the top 20 in half the games of the top rankings.

And a very good batsman too

[StayingDown4Ever]

Who is this mystery man?

[Stevie2112]

Nowhere near
Pretty disingenuous comment i feel,notwithstanding his bowling also!

[arise_sir_charge]

It depends how you judge a pro.

Was Scuderi a world class talent, no he wasn’t but it can’t be argued he wasn’t an exceptional league pro with both bat and ball and he won everything there was to win. Similar to Roger Harper and more recently Daryn Smit.

I’d take one of them over a world superstar every day if the week.

[trawdenclaret]

I thought Joe Scuderi was an excellent league pro for Nelson but in that era, Eric Simons was better in my opinion.

[Elder statesman]

Eric was brilliant. We won the league with him in 1986. However, he could only play one season. Fortunately, we had Steve Waugh the year after. Joe Scuderi, on the other hand, returned brilliant averages year in year out. I saw almost all Joe's runs for Nelson and a few for Lancs too. Anyone who doubts Joe's contribution to the Lancashire League should check out the Honours board at Seedhill.

[ClaretTony]

It depends how you judge a pro.

Was Scuderi a world class talent, no he wasn’t but it can’t be argued he wasn’t an exceptional league pro with both bat and ball and he won everything there was to win. Similar to Roger Harper and more recently Daryn Smit.

I’d take one of them over a world superstar every day if the week.

Roger Harper was an international cricketer and an outstanding player. Joe Scuderi was an outstanding league pro, no doubt, but to suggest he was up there with the best of all time is somewhat far fetched.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Roger Harper was an international cricketer and an outstanding player. Joe Scuderi was an outstanding league pro, no doubt, but to suggest he was up there with the best of all time is somewhat far fetched.

Agree Scuderi was an excellent pro but there have been better. Similar time to Roger Harper for example was Colin Miller who took over 100 wickets and scored over 1000 runs in a season.

[ClaretTony]

Agree Scuderi was an excellent pro but there have been better. Similar time to Roger Harper for example was Colin Miller who took over 100 wickets and scored over 1000 runs in a season.

Was Miller the first to do the double in my time of watching? Pepper (Burnley) and Hazare (Rawtenstall) both achieved it in 1949. Brought up watching Burnley, I had it rammed down my throat that Pepper was the greatest pro ever. The only time I saw him play was as a sub pro for Tod & Lowerhouse when he was in his mid to late 40s.

[Bigbopper]

Worsley cup semi final, Lowerhouse v Norden the winners to host the final.

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