Tour de France - 2023 edition

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:35 pm

Happy Tour de France Eve everyone!!

TdF wheels out of Bilbao tomorrow, for its prestigious Grand Départ. A hilly stage to open with, as opposed to a TT like we often see.

Clearly looking like a straightforward head-to-head between Vingegard and Pogacar.

I’m all in on Jumbo, so Vingegard gets my backing. I’d really really love to see Thibaut Pinot have a great Tour: he’s absolutely awesome and frankly deserves more success.

Also interested to see if Pidcock can push on. His descents alone make tuning in worth it.

Enjoy the ride folks. Gary’s ready!!

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4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:53 pm

Stages 9,10 and 11 are in my neck of the woods, a part of the route of 11 passes about 5km from my house, going to get on that with the Burnley top.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:59 pm

Wout for green, and yellow for the first week
JV for yellow, TP a couple of minutes back
Cav to take a single stage
Pidcock to take a stage
Yates to take a stage
Caleb Ewan to win in Paris

Can't wait

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:03 pm

It’s now or never for Cav: he can get the one he needs!

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:59 pm

Part of me wonders if he will almost be gifted a stage...

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:27 pm

I love watching the mountain sections, ok there is drug abuse revelations, but the scenery and the cyclists taking on the climbs is brilliant viewing.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:30 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:59 pm
Part of me wonders if he will almost be gifted a stage...

I think that he’ll be given the Champs if he hasn’t won a stage by then, the Peloton is a competitive but respectful beast. Cav wont want that though, he will be all out to get it early but I’ve gone for stage seven for his win.

Ben O’Connor winner for me (got in At 80’s) with Pidcock top five.

Agree with Thibaut, hope he has a magnificent ride. Stage thirteen on Bastille day would be a great way to bow out.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:50 am

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:30 pm
I think that he’ll be given the Champs if he hasn’t won a stage by then, the Peloton is a competitive but respectful beast. Cav wont want that though, he will be all out to get it early but I’ve gone for stage seven for his win.

Ben O’Connor winner for me (got in At 80’s) with Pidcock top five.

Agree with Thibaut, hope he has a magnificent ride. Stage thirteen on Bastille day would be a great way to bow out.

No chance. Wout didn’t gift it him last time so why would he now?

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:31 am

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:50 am
No chance. Wout didn’t gift it him last time so why would he now?

Agreed. Nobody gifts the Paris finale. Sadly for Cav his best chance slipped him by t’other year when on a stage made for him his team let the breakaway have too big a lead.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:36 am

Avoiding the riots will give this year's race an added element of jeopardy

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:17 am

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:31 am
Agreed. Nobody gifts the Paris finale. Sadly for Cav his best chance slipped him by t’other year when on a stage made for him his team let the breakaway have too big a lead.

He will get his win on one of the flat stages so it won’t be an issue.

No one gifts it, but teams can be ordered, individuals can disrupt.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:17 am

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:50 am
No chance. Wout didn’t gift it him last time so why would he now?

WVA is a monster, but he has a leash.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:30 am

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:17 am
WVA is a monster, but he has a leash.

I saw WVA against Pidcock at the World Cup cycloX in Dublin. Never has monster been more apt. He was dropped a couple of times, by mechanicals, and very quickly got back on. On the final lap he left Tom for dead.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:39 am

Pogacar broke his wrist in April which impacted his build up to the tour. The TDF finds you out if your not 100% ready.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:52 am

Wout is amazing, I love him. His power and drive is unbelievable. Have you seen ‘Tour de France Unchained’ on Netflix?

He was wanting to take mountain stages off his own Jumbo GC riders last year. He’s an absolute winner.

Cav needs to find his moment; I’d be gobsmacked if anyone backed down and why should they?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:53 am

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:39 am
Pogacar broke his wrist in April which impacted his build up to the tour. The TDF finds you out if your not 100% ready.

Yup, Froome and Alaphillipe proving that theory spot on.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:20 am

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:52 am
Wout is amazing, I love him. His power and drive is unbelievable. Have you seen ‘Tour de France Unchained’ on Netflix?

He was wanting to take mountain stages off his own Jumbo GC riders last year. He’s an absolute winner.

Cav needs to find his moment; I’d be gobsmacked if anyone backed down and why should they?

They wouldn’t individually, but sentiment and goodwill travel quickly though the peloton.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:26 am

Is he his teams leader this year (WVA)?

claret wizard · Post by **claret wizard** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:26 am
Is he his teams leader this year (WVA)?

Errr, no. Vingegaard is in Jumbo.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 2:19 pm

For anybody that wants it, the TEAMS.

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depechedingle · Post by **depechedingle** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:18 pm

Two Bury brothers conquer Bilbao.

Brilliant first stage!!!

timscoot · Post by **timscoot** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:19 pm

Come on Bury

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:20 pm

Yates 1 and 2

How ace is that?

Right, only have to concentrate on one sport now

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:20 pm

Super days racing. Sad to lose two team leaders to a crash.
Love the winner but will his team want to defend the yellow jersey from day two?

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:21 pm

depechedingle wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:18 pm
Two Bury brothers conquer Bilbao.

Brilliant first stage!!!

Indeed

how many times are we going to hear 'yeah' in the interviews with those two this evening

Pog looks awesome

Lip · Post by **Lip** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:22 pm

Rumours going round it might be cancelled due to protests and riots.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:34 pm

Decent first stage result, Simon had me worried.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:49 pm

What a fantastic first ride.

Brilliant from the Yates bros

Pog and Jumbo Jonas!

KellyClaret · Post by **KellyClaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:09 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:20 pm
Super days racing. Sad to lose two team leaders to a crash.
Love the winner but will his team want to defend the yellow jersey from day two?

Defend with Yates? No.

It's all about Pogacar for Team UAE.

They might try and keep Yates around Pogacar a bit more if there are any doubts over Pog's wrist

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:10 pm

KellyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:09 pm
It's all about Pogacar for Team UAE.

That’s true but it’s a bumpy day tomorrow also and, traditionally, the yellow jersey team lead the chase after any breakaway to keep the jersey. There is money for every day you wear any jersey. UAE might not be bothered, as you suggest.

Bigbopper · Post by **Bigbopper** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:14 pm

Great days racing

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:45 am

Gone big for Adam again today with Pidcock (he might win it on the decent), N P, Corbin S and Alaphillippe as my other serious winners…

Chucked in Ben O ‘Connor and Jai H as my fun bets.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:49 am

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 4:34 pm
Decent first stage result, Simon had me worried.

Will you also be posting unsuccessful betslips? Just for a bit of balance? Gamblers tend not to I've noticed!!

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:18 am

Todays lumpy stage.

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Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:44 am

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:49 am
Will you also be posting unsuccessful betslips? Just for a bit of balance? Gamblers tend not to I've noticed!!

Can do pal. Spent £5 yesterday and £20 today from yesterdays winnings (£13 on Adam). The £60 is going on date day Sunday lunch.

I don’t bet big, and I don’t really bet on anything but cycling and a start of season who’s winning the leagues acca.

My grandad and dad brought me up to think winning 10p from my them is worth more than £100 from a bookies, with inflation that’s now 50p, but it’s served me well!

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:04 am

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:44 am
Can do pal. Spent £5 yesterday and £20 today from yesterdays winnings (£13 on Adam). The £60 is going on date day Sunday lunch.

I don’t bet big, and I don’t really bet on anything but cycling and a start of season who’s winning the leagues acca.

My grandad and dad brought me up to think winning 10p from my them is worth more than £100 from a bookies, with inflation that’s now 50p, but it’s served me well!

Please please please can we not turn this thread, FOR THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, into a thread about the rights and wrongs of gambling? I have been more vociferous than anyone about gambling sponsorship and endorsements, on here over the last three years or so…but never questioned anyone’s right to make a bet, enjoy a bet and share their wins or losses. If people want to talk about their wins, that’s fine with me and can I ask that we don’t have a go at them for not posting other selections. We all know how it works…win some, lose some.

Let’s keep this about the riders, the bikes, the jerseys, the teams, the sprints and the mountains.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:17 am

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:04 am
Please please please can we not turn this thread, FOR THE NEXT THREE WEEKS, into a thread about the rights and wrongs of gambling? I have been more vociferous than anyone about gambling sponsorship and endorsements, on here over the last three years or so…but never questioned anyone’s right to make a bet, enjoy a bet and share their wins or losses. If people want to talk about their wins, that’s fine with me and can I ask that we don’t have a go at them for not posting other selections. We all know how it works…win some, lose some.

Let’s keep this about the riders, the bikes, the jerseys, the teams, the sprints and the mountains.

I respect your right to advocate the pitfalls of gambling, shouldn’t you also respect ours to be open and honest about winning/losing should we choose to be?

One post asking about losers and me happily sharing that info doesn’t mean that people are having a go. Seems a little pre-emptive in my opinion.

Happy to chat around this rather than it turn into an argument.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:25 am

That’s a very well-made point. My inference from WW was that it was a little dig at the fact that you were not posting your losing bets and I apologise for that if it wasn’t. Like I’ve said, I have no objection to people talking about it. I just don’t want people falling out over it. Apologies if people felt judged too quickly.

That said, I would now like to take issue with you about your comment about me not respecting your right to discuss your bets. When have I ever alluded to the fact that this should not be permitted? And in fact, in the very post you have quoted me on, I have talked about the fact that I have no issues whatsoever with people posting their wins or their losses. I’m a bit puzzled by that part of your reply to be honest, and I’d appreciate some context.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:38 am

Let's hope Lotto Dstny don't win a stage.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:08 am

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:25 am
That’s a very well-made point. My inference from WW was that it was a little dig at the fact that you were not posting your losing bets and I apologise for that if it wasn’t. Like I’ve said, I have no objection to people talking about it. I just don’t want people falling out over it. Apologies if people felt judged too quickly.

That said, I would now like to take issue with you about your comment about me not respecting your right to discuss your bets. When have I ever alluded to the fact that this should not be permitted? And in fact, in the very post you have quoted me on, I have talked about the fact that I have no issues whatsoever with people posting their wins or their losses. I’m a bit puzzled by that part of your reply to be honest, and I’d appreciate some context.

This could be a first for this board; I take your point and apologise. I understand you feelings on the matter, and I’m glad we could discuss the issues without it becoming a personal attack.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:20 am

No problems at all and thanks for the reply. Like I’ve also said, please continue to celebrate your wins/ talk about your losses…it’s not what my gambling agenda concerns. Fingers crossed for a good day in the TdF today. Congrats for your selection yesterday.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:42 pm

Fantastic days racing. Superb attack by the stage winner.
Yates still in yellow. Brother wearing the green for him.

aclaretinstevenage · Post by **aclaretinstevenage** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:57 pm

Phenomenal sprint from a full kilometre / kilometer out to win today's stage.

Flicking between F1 / Golf / Ashes and Tour de France managed to catch all the critical bits .

Quite entertaining for a weekend with no football.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:46 pm

Didn’t see that coming, thought they’d burnt all their matches yesterday! Nice to see though!

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:49 pm

No winners today, and I don’t like betting on sprints, so I’m all in on Cav in spirit! Don’t think it’ll come until seven but I’d love it, I’D LOVE IT, if he won it tomorrow!

Eyesofblue2 · Post by **Eyesofblue2** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:40 am

Hopefully Rodriguez and Pidcock can get involved today, otherwise this Tour is going to be a complete write off for Ineos. Should they be also rans with their budget ?

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:46 am

Bit of a transitional year this year isn’t it? Get the impresssion they’ll see how Bernals doing then just go for stages when he falls off the pace.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:53 am

Its the hills and the mountain stages that make the Tour unmissable viewing

As a crap cyclist myself, seeing how fast they go up and down those things is incredible

Eyesofblue2 · Post by **Eyesofblue2** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 9:58 am

To be fair they have been stuffed by Bernal's accident, but I hope they can get at least one in GC contention, we'll find out today.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:02 pm

Some incredible rides going on here today