France riots

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:50 pm

What the hell is going on in France today?

Not on any traditional news outlets but it looks like the country is on fire right now.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:58 pm

Macron under pressure ( if he has no concerts or cheese and wine tasting events to attend) To declare a state of emergency.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:58 pm

This is the 4th/5th night of rioting- now nationwide after starting in Paris.

17 year old male died following a vehicle stop with Police.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:00 pm

Terrifying scenes out there right now.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:03 pm

No trams running after 6pm so had a five-mile walk home. All shops closed early. Were it to be the football season evening matches would have been postponed. This will run for a week or so.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:03 pm

It appears to be spreading to Belgium as well.

Some of the footage I am seeing tonight is insane. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.

Literally city’s across the whole country with out of control riots.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:03 pm

Police make one mistake cities burn, whilst drug gangs deliberately kill each other and hardly anyone bats an eyelid. Strange world we live in.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:09 pm

The country seems on the brink of civil war

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:16 pm

Will it spread over here ? I hope not but fear it will. Agitators will do their utmost to ensure it does.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:30 pm

I think the French despise Macron’s ideals/neo liberal policies so much that any sort of incident like this or anytime they feel the government is over reaching a bit they will take and quite literally blow it up to this sort of proportion.

I’m not going to pretend like I know all the ins and outs of it, mind

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:44 pm

So much anger around at the moment, horrible. Hope people see safe especially the posters like ecc who live there.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:12 am

France has been teetering on the edge for a few years now

The retirement age has been raised, I think Macron just did it without parliamentary consent and of course the French, who love a good strike, didn't like that so they've been kicking off regularly for a while.

There's been some friction over the migrant situation in the cities, tents popping up all over the place where the migrants are sleeping.

Then of course we've got the global cost of living crisis.

This discontent has spilled over onto the football terraces as there has been a rise in hooliganism.

The police basically executing this lad just added fuel to the fire and it's gone bang

Naturally there will be plenty of people joining in to take advantage of the rioting to partake in some wealth distribution, like every other country sees

I'm not sure what the solution is, maybe it just needs to run it's course.

Awayfromburnley · Post by **Awayfromburnley** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:46 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:09 pm
The country seems on the brink of civil war

No it doesn't, it's a long way of thankfully.

It's civil disobedience and pockets of anarchy.

It happens fairly frequently in France and it fizzles out.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:48 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

Happened here in 2011

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:19 am

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:46 am
No it doesn't, it's a long way of thankfully.

It's civil disobedience and pockets of anarchy.

It happens fairly frequently in France and it fizzles out.

Not so sure

Don’t think I have ever seen nationalists getting their hands get cut off in the streets before.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:27 am

The whole world has gone crazy. Every morning I read the headlines and even in the UK there are senseless street stabbings and parents harming THEIR children. I blamed the hot weather and alcohol in the earlier part of the year but as that has subsided the killings continue.
I don’t condone the policemans action but what would have been said if the young man had drove off around the corner and wiped out an innocent family?

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:31 am

The weapons on show are frightening. The level of guns the rioters have is shocking.

I bet insurance in France is expensive?

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:44 am

Anarchists just latch on to it. Then it gets fuelled by idiots on social media. Anything for a riot attitude.

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:13 am

Macron hasn't handled this (admittedly very difficult situation) well. He's thrown the copper under a bus and gone of too see Elton whilst the riots expand.

The shooting wasn't "an execution" though the cop overreacted badly. The dead youth was 17 and (since you've got to be 18 to get a licence in France) driving illegally. The youth reacted badly (in criminal fashion) when legitimately stopped. Police made things worse by initially telling porkies about the shooting which were soon contradicted by mobile phone videos.

Macron, pre any investigation, condemned the cop so the cops aren't best pleased with that on top of having to handle the violent riots now ensuing.

I see the police are now basically telling Macron to get a grip, they've said they were "at war with savage hordes of vermin”.
+ two of the country’s top police unions threatened a revolt unless Emmanuel Macron’s government restored order.

Rugby World Cup due to start in 2 months time so hopefully there'll be some order by then or Twickenham & Co should start making contingency plans.

Hopefully thigs will die down without too many deaths and damage but I dont see that happening this weekend.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:18 am

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 30, 2023 10:58 pm
This is the 4th/5th night of rioting- now nationwide after starting in Paris.

17 year old male died following a vehicle stop with Police.

I didn’t think you were allowed to drive a car in France until 18 years old?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:38 am

It could well be France' George Floyd moment.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:44 am

Not sure about that. George Floyd was brutality by a “wrong” police officer. I think this one was a case of the police officer negligently discharging his weapon. It was obviously cocked when pointed at the now deceased. Definitely not good though. Days and days of rioting and the opportunists looting at every opportunity as happened in the UK after the Mark Duggan death.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:46 am

Macron is just lucky, if you can use that word, that the French election has recently passed because Marine Le Pen would surely come out on top right now.

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:55 am

Can’t they just light candles , hold vigils and say lessons will be learnt ?

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:58 am

Macron is the problem as are many other Presidents/ Prime Ministers. People have had enough

groove · Post by **groove** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:58 am

The elephant in the room. Immigration.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:01 am

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:18 am
I didn’t think you were allowed to drive a car in France until 18 years old?

He had form for driving illegally

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:09 am

Whilst he shouldn’t have been shot if you are driving a car illegally under age and then drive off when stopped by the police you are asking for trouble. Sometimes the police need to be supported more. There’s a underclass who aren’t encouraged by their parents to respect them. When I was young if you had been told off by the police you’d be in big trouble and probably get a clip round the ear. Now parents will probably try to blame the police as it’s always someone else’s fault. As for Macron he just comes across as weak.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:13 am

groove wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:58 am
The elephant in the room. Immigration.

Huge culture clashes unfortunately.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 am

Average age of those arrested is 17. At that age and younger they’re probably not sure why they’re rioting just that they enjoy it! I don’t like France any more. The last 3 times I’ve been with my wife we were threatened in Paris, had a bottle thrown at us in Cannes and witnessed an assault in the middle of a restaurant in Antibes.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 am

Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:27 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 am
Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.

Couldn’t wait to play the racist card could you?

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 am
Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.

Not proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:27 am
Couldn’t wait to play the racist card could you?

The police murdering a child would still be bad if it wasn't racist. It's just not clear if people on here would be so keen to defend it.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am
Not proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.

Shooting someone to death is not policing them.

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:32 am

Nothing to do with the incident that happened. That was just an excuse to push an agenda, a bit like the george floyd incident in the usa.

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:36 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am
The police murdering a child would still be bad if it wasn't racist. It's just not clear if people on here would be so keen to defend it.

Police shooting a child is bad. But if child hadn’t have tried to drive away in a Mercedes AMG not owned by him and not legally old enough to drive it and a list of driving and other offences as long as your arm, he would still be alive today.
Policeman made a fatal error of judgement and will be punished. Why bring race into it? When the youths died on the scooter in Cardiff I recall a rather long debate on here about it, with many posters defending the actions of the police. These two lads were white.

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:37 am

I blame Brexit.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:38 am

Watching the resident authoritarians go moist at the idea of even more right wing leaders is more than a little depressing

Any chance we could have some genuine socially progressive policies first?

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 am

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:36 am
Police shooting a child is bad. But if child hadn’t have tried to drive away in a Mercedes AMG not owned by him and not legally old enough to drive it and a list of driving and other offences as long as your arm, he would still be alive today.
Policeman made a fatal error of judgement and will be punished. Why bring race into it? When the youths died on the scooter in Cardiff I recall a rather long debate on here about it, with many posters defending the actions of the police. These two lads were white.

I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 am
Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.

Only one person is bringing race into this

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:41 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 am
I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

Absolute nonsense. I just think you are anti police.

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 am
I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

If the Police had guns and wanted me to stop I would cooperate fully and still be alive. But hey ho

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 am

Jamesy wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:41 am
Absolute nonsense. I just think you are anti police.

I'm very anti any police officer who murders children and I don't think that's a controversial stance.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:43 am

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 am
If the Police had guns and wanted me to stop I would cooperate fully and still be alive. But hey ho

Very famously nobody who complies with police has ever been killed by them.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 am
I'm very anti any police officer who murders children and I don't think that's a controversial stance.

Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 am
I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.

I'd have thought the instinct would be to follow the instructions from the police officer. But the police officer shooting him in such circumstances is disgraceful. I wasn't aware it was motivated by racsicm, which if you're correct, would make it even worse.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 am
Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?

I'd **** myself

Jamesy · Post by **Jamesy** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 am
I'm very anti any police officer who murders children and I don't think that's a controversial stance.

No, you have got an agenda which is getting closer and closer to the surface with every post.

BennyD · Post by **BennyD** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:46 am

LeadBelly wrote: ↑
Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 am
Not proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good old left wing rant. The initial wrongdoing was by the teenager (not a child). True, the cop compounded the event by shooting the wrongdoer. Personally, if I was caught bang to rights by an armed cop who was pointing a gun a me, I’d be doing everything possible to comply with what he told me to do. It isn’t a huge leap to realise that a failure to do so might culminate in life changing events.