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What the hell is going on in France today?
Not on any traditional news outlets but it looks like the country is on fire right now.
Not on any traditional news outlets but it looks like the country is on fire right now.
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Macron under pressure ( if he has no concerts or cheese and wine tasting events to attend) To declare a state of emergency.
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This is the 4th/5th night of rioting- now nationwide after starting in Paris.
17 year old male died following a vehicle stop with Police.
17 year old male died following a vehicle stop with Police.
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Terrifying scenes out there right now.
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No trams running after 6pm so had a five-mile walk home. All shops closed early. Were it to be the football season evening matches would have been postponed. This will run for a week or so.
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It appears to be spreading to Belgium as well.
Some of the footage I am seeing tonight is insane. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.
Literally city’s across the whole country with out of control riots.
Some of the footage I am seeing tonight is insane. I don’t think I have ever seen anything like it.
Literally city’s across the whole country with out of control riots.
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Police make one mistake cities burn, whilst drug gangs deliberately kill each other and hardly anyone bats an eyelid. Strange world we live in.
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The country seems on the brink of civil war
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Will it spread over here ? I hope not but fear it will. Agitators will do their utmost to ensure it does.
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I think the French despise Macron’s ideals/neo liberal policies so much that any sort of incident like this or anytime they feel the government is over reaching a bit they will take and quite literally blow it up to this sort of proportion.
I’m not going to pretend like I know all the ins and outs of it, mind
I’m not going to pretend like I know all the ins and outs of it, mind
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So much anger around at the moment, horrible. Hope people see safe especially the posters like ecc who live there.
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France has been teetering on the edge for a few years now
The retirement age has been raised, I think Macron just did it without parliamentary consent and of course the French, who love a good strike, didn't like that so they've been kicking off regularly for a while.
There's been some friction over the migrant situation in the cities, tents popping up all over the place where the migrants are sleeping.
Then of course we've got the global cost of living crisis.
This discontent has spilled over onto the football terraces as there has been a rise in hooliganism.
The police basically executing this lad just added fuel to the fire and it's gone bang
Naturally there will be plenty of people joining in to take advantage of the rioting to partake in some wealth distribution, like every other country sees
I'm not sure what the solution is, maybe it just needs to run it's course.
The retirement age has been raised, I think Macron just did it without parliamentary consent and of course the French, who love a good strike, didn't like that so they've been kicking off regularly for a while.
There's been some friction over the migrant situation in the cities, tents popping up all over the place where the migrants are sleeping.
Then of course we've got the global cost of living crisis.
This discontent has spilled over onto the football terraces as there has been a rise in hooliganism.
The police basically executing this lad just added fuel to the fire and it's gone bang
Naturally there will be plenty of people joining in to take advantage of the rioting to partake in some wealth distribution, like every other country sees
I'm not sure what the solution is, maybe it just needs to run it's course.
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No it doesn't, it's a long way of thankfully.
It's civil disobedience and pockets of anarchy.
It happens fairly frequently in France and it fizzles out.
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Not so sureAwayfromburnley wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 7:46 amNo it doesn't, it's a long way of thankfully.
It's civil disobedience and pockets of anarchy.
It happens fairly frequently in France and it fizzles out.
Don’t think I have ever seen nationalists getting their hands get cut off in the streets before.
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The whole world has gone crazy. Every morning I read the headlines and even in the UK there are senseless street stabbings and parents harming THEIR children. I blamed the hot weather and alcohol in the earlier part of the year but as that has subsided the killings continue.
I don’t condone the policemans action but what would have been said if the young man had drove off around the corner and wiped out an innocent family?
I don’t condone the policemans action but what would have been said if the young man had drove off around the corner and wiped out an innocent family?
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The weapons on show are frightening. The level of guns the rioters have is shocking.
I bet insurance in France is expensive?
I bet insurance in France is expensive?
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Anarchists just latch on to it. Then it gets fuelled by idiots on social media. Anything for a riot attitude.
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Macron hasn't handled this (admittedly very difficult situation) well. He's thrown the copper under a bus and gone of too see Elton whilst the riots expand.
The shooting wasn't "an execution" though the cop overreacted badly. The dead youth was 17 and (since you've got to be 18 to get a licence in France) driving illegally. The youth reacted badly (in criminal fashion) when legitimately stopped. Police made things worse by initially telling porkies about the shooting which were soon contradicted by mobile phone videos.
Macron, pre any investigation, condemned the cop so the cops aren't best pleased with that on top of having to handle the violent riots now ensuing.
I see the police are now basically telling Macron to get a grip, they've said they were "at war with savage hordes of vermin”.
+ two of the country’s top police unions threatened a revolt unless Emmanuel Macron’s government restored order.
Rugby World Cup due to start in 2 months time so hopefully there'll be some order by then or Twickenham & Co should start making contingency plans.
Hopefully thigs will die down without too many deaths and damage but I dont see that happening this weekend.
The shooting wasn't "an execution" though the cop overreacted badly. The dead youth was 17 and (since you've got to be 18 to get a licence in France) driving illegally. The youth reacted badly (in criminal fashion) when legitimately stopped. Police made things worse by initially telling porkies about the shooting which were soon contradicted by mobile phone videos.
Macron, pre any investigation, condemned the cop so the cops aren't best pleased with that on top of having to handle the violent riots now ensuing.
I see the police are now basically telling Macron to get a grip, they've said they were "at war with savage hordes of vermin”.
+ two of the country’s top police unions threatened a revolt unless Emmanuel Macron’s government restored order.
Rugby World Cup due to start in 2 months time so hopefully there'll be some order by then or Twickenham & Co should start making contingency plans.
Hopefully thigs will die down without too many deaths and damage but I dont see that happening this weekend.
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It could well be France' George Floyd moment.
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Not sure about that. George Floyd was brutality by a “wrong” police officer. I think this one was a case of the police officer negligently discharging his weapon. It was obviously cocked when pointed at the now deceased. Definitely not good though. Days and days of rioting and the opportunists looting at every opportunity as happened in the UK after the Mark Duggan death.
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Macron is just lucky, if you can use that word, that the French election has recently passed because Marine Le Pen would surely come out on top right now.
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Can’t they just light candles , hold vigils and say lessons will be learnt ?
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Macron is the problem as are many other Presidents/ Prime Ministers. People have had enough
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The elephant in the room. Immigration.
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Whilst he shouldn’t have been shot if you are driving a car illegally under age and then drive off when stopped by the police you are asking for trouble. Sometimes the police need to be supported more. There’s a underclass who aren’t encouraged by their parents to respect them. When I was young if you had been told off by the police you’d be in big trouble and probably get a clip round the ear. Now parents will probably try to blame the police as it’s always someone else’s fault. As for Macron he just comes across as weak.
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Average age of those arrested is 17. At that age and younger they’re probably not sure why they’re rioting just that they enjoy it! I don’t like France any more. The last 3 times I’ve been with my wife we were threatened in Paris, had a bottle thrown at us in Cannes and witnessed an assault in the middle of a restaurant in Antibes.
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Racist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.
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Couldn’t wait to play the racist card could you?daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 amRacist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.
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Not proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 amRacist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.
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Shooting someone to death is not policing them.LeadBelly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 amNot proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.
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Nothing to do with the incident that happened. That was just an excuse to push an agenda, a bit like the george floyd incident in the usa.
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Police shooting a child is bad. But if child hadn’t have tried to drive away in a Mercedes AMG not owned by him and not legally old enough to drive it and a list of driving and other offences as long as your arm, he would still be alive today.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 amThe police murdering a child would still be bad if it wasn't racist. It's just not clear if people on here would be so keen to defend it.
Policeman made a fatal error of judgement and will be punished. Why bring race into it? When the youths died on the scooter in Cardiff I recall a rather long debate on here about it, with many posters defending the actions of the police. These two lads were white.
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I blame Brexit.
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Watching the resident authoritarians go moist at the idea of even more right wing leaders is more than a little depressing
Any chance we could have some genuine socially progressive policies first?
Any chance we could have some genuine socially progressive policies first?
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I think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.Jamesy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:36 amPolice shooting a child is bad. But if child hadn’t have tried to drive away in a Mercedes AMG not owned by him and not legally old enough to drive it and a list of driving and other offences as long as your arm, he would still be alive today.
Policeman made a fatal error of judgement and will be punished. Why bring race into it? When the youths died on the scooter in Cardiff I recall a rather long debate on here about it, with many posters defending the actions of the police. These two lads were white.
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Only one person is bringing race into thisdaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:18 amRacist murder of a child by the police and a UTC thread about how it's the kid's fault. Never change guys.
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Absolute nonsense. I just think you are anti police.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 amI think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.
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If the Police had guns and wanted me to stop I would cooperate fully and still be alive. But hey hodaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 amI think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.
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Very famously nobody who complies with police has ever been killed by them.Venkys4eva wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 amIf the Police had guns and wanted me to stop I would cooperate fully and still be alive. But hey ho
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daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 amI'm very anti any police officer who murders children and I don't think that's a controversial stance.
Genuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?
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I'd have thought the instinct would be to follow the instructions from the police officer. But the police officer shooting him in such circumstances is disgraceful. I wasn't aware it was motivated by racsicm, which if you're correct, would make it even worse.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:40 amI think the instinct to try and drive away from someone with a gun who wants to kill you is quite an understandable one, personally.
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I'd **** myselfclaretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:44 amGenuine question if armed police ordered you to stop what would be your reaction ?
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No, you have got an agenda which is getting closer and closer to the surface with every post.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:42 amI'm very anti any police officer who murders children and I don't think that's a controversial stance.
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Don’t let facts get in the way of a good old left wing rant. The initial wrongdoing was by the teenager (not a child). True, the cop compounded the event by shooting the wrongdoer. Personally, if I was caught bang to rights by an armed cop who was pointing a gun a me, I’d be doing everything possible to comply with what he told me to do. It isn’t a huge leap to realise that a failure to do so might culminate in life changing events.LeadBelly wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:28 amNot proven to be a murder (though maybe manslaughter - or whatever equivalent in French law).
No indication it was racist- more anti-criminal. Just because the criminal in question is not white- doesnt make it racist.
Comments like this tend to indicate that racial minorities cannot be policed and must be allowed to do what they please.