Loyalty Points change

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:32 pm

1 Only valid now on a 5-year rolling period

2 20 points to be awarded for an away ticket rather than 10 points.

Only points accrued since 2018 will now count which is, in effect, four years because of the behind closed doors season.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:34 pm

Any idea when this will change on our account section of the website so we know where we now stand?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:35 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:34 pm
Any idea when this will change on our account section of the website so we know where we now stand?

By 7th July

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:36 pm

Both are good moves imo.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:36 pm

Still a rubbish system, all season ticket holders should get the same priorities.
First come first served simple and fair

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:38 pm

For those wanting to go to every away game the £250 membership doesn't seem that bad now putting just over £10 on a ticket. A huge percentage of the fan base will now be between 2-3000 points.

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:38 pm

Personally think that’s a good decision. Been wanting a roll system as my preferred alternative so glad to see it is being introduced.

Be interesting to know the threshold for the tiers and how many people are in each one.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:38 pm

Nobody will have 6000 points anymore it's impossible

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:39 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:38 pm
Personally think that’s a good decision. Been wanting a roll system as my preferred alternative so glad to see it is being introduced.

Be interesting to know the threshold for the tiers and how many people are in each one. I imagine it’ll stay 6k/4k/2k.

Nobody can get 6000 points in 5 years

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:39 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:39 pm
Nobody can get 6000 points in 5 years

Oh **** yeah

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:40 pm

As someone who has about 9000 points (mainly due to length of service and going to away games when I was younger) this change is welcome

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:41 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:38 pm
Nobody will have 6000 points anymore it's impossible

Yep, we’re all officially less loyal from the 7th July. I will be sad to see the points go, and with them the memories. This feels like a relegation to league 2 but a chance to rebuild and start again from the bottom.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:42 pm

Isn't it strange this come in shortly after a £250 membership scheme, first time I've felt against a decision made by Alan Pace.
Shocking decision(I've got the points by the way so not the issue!)

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:43 pm

At last some common sense, this puts the younger fan's on an equal footing

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:46 pm

How long will it take for this topic to be

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:46 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:43 pm
At last some common sense, this puts the younger fan's on an equal footing

It doesn't tho because a younger fan starting this season would have no chance and by the time they have enough the closed up 5 year club has shut its doors.
It's basically been made a closed club made by the 'fan advisory board'

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:49 pm

Are points from the past 5 seasons still 10 for an away game or be updated to 20. Imagine they’ll stay at 10 and it’s just from this season onwards they’ll be worth 20.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:49 pm

Any truth in the rumours that if you go to Genk you gain 1000 loyalty points?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:50 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:46 pm
It doesn't tho because a younger fan starting this season would have no chance and by the time they have enough the closed up 5 year club has shut its doors.
It's basically been made a closed club made by the 'fan advisory board'

They had no chance anyway if starting this season because they would be 23 years behind in the points system this way they catch up because its rolling

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:51 pm

At last! A change for the better.

They need to make the selling windows sensible now, its got daft keeping it at 6000 points when eventually probably about 5000 people had that many.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:52 pm

Wonder what the first threshold for tickets will be? I rekon I’ve got about 2.5 since start of 18/19 season.

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:53 pm

Done a very quick count and I have 2,800 in the new system. The old system I had 11,580.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:54 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:49 pm
Are points from the past 5 seasons still 10 for an away game or be updated to 20. Imagine they’ll stay at 10 and it’s just from this season onwards they’ll be worth 20.

I'm assuming they will remain at 10

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:57 pm

The only people who will feel aggrieved are those that don’t go often, who pick their games after accruing points from 15 years ago.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:58 pm

Will the 20 points per away be applied retrospectively or just going forward?

And is there a link to this anywhere as I can’t find it on the official site?

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:54 pm
I'm assuming they will remain at 10

Thought so CT. After I wrote my post I realized it probably sounds stupid to ask but you never know with BFC

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm

Despite benefitting from the current system due to having over 10,000 points for multiple family members I agree this change is fairer, fans who have a ST at home for all that time and go regularly away could end up getting an away ticket ahead of me, especially given the small rubbish allocations in the PL and the slice now given to premium members. I could moan about it but it seems fair given that most Saturday away games I play golf instead.

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm

Finally. Amazing it's taken so long for something so obvious and sensible.

Most of our away games don't sell out, and at least not in the first window or two. So if you want tickets to the biggest away games, just go and start building up points. With this new system even if you're behind now, you'll soon catch up.

Hopefully they also start using a more data driven approach. It should be a lot clearer who's likely to go to away games, and what the cut off point is. No need for more than 3 windows. 3,000 tickets, then just set the threshold so only 3,000 people have that number. Any remaining go on sale to ST holders. Any still remaining after that go to general sale.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:57 pm
The only people who will feel aggrieved are those that don’t go often, who pick their games after accruing points from 15 years ago.

That is essentially me, and I'm not ****** off with it at all

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:53 pm
Done a very quick count and I have 2,800 in the new system. The old system I had 11,580.

You've done well - I've got the maximum 1,400 for season tickets plus 830 for away tickets and 130 for home tickets = 2,360. Not sure how you've got to 2,800.

My current total is over 13,000.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:00 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:53 pm
Done a very quick count and I have 2,800 in the new system. The old system I had 11,580.

excluding 23/24 season ticket?

i can only see 4 season ticket entries excluding that in the 5 year period as we didnt get points in covid

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:00 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:58 pm
Will the 20 points per away be applied retrospectively or just going forward?

And is there a link to this anywhere as I can’t find it on the official site?

Received an email on it. I’ve done my count based on older points being at 10 per away game as imagine they’ll start fresh this season at 20 points per game.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:00 pm

Have to say, I think this is a change for the better: puts younger fans on a more equal footing and encourages continuing loyalty.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:59 pm
You've done well - I've got the maximum 1,400 for season tickets plus 830 for away tickets and 130 for home tickets = 2,360. Not sure how you've got to 2,800.

My current total is over 13,000.

Im 2390

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:00 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:53 pm
Done a very quick count and I have 2,800 in the new system. The old system I had 11,580.

I work it out as having 2400 points in the new system.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:01 pm

I currently have in excess of 13k points and think I’ve got about 2.5k over last 5 seasons. Leaves me wondering if that will be enough for first dibs but I do think it’s fair. Young people were never going to get a chance of catching up. My wife’s been coming on games with me for 10 years plus now and still well behind so it’s good for her too.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:01 pm

Certainly be interesting to see the numbers going to away games going forward. All those who wanted to go but could never get a ticket despite not selling out many away games will now be able to attend.

Club should have no problem now selling out the max allocation even when we have lost some.

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:02 pm

There's no reason the club can't use the 20 points retrospectively. It will be a simple algorithm that calculates peoples points.

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:03 pm

The algorithm has already changed.

The way they are reporting the points has been made simpler.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:05 pm

Do we think the current seasons season ticket is included? Surely will be?

Claret86 · Post by **Claret86** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:06 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:57 pm
The only people who will feel aggrieved are those that don’t go often, who pick their games after accruing points from 15 years ago.

Pretty much me although I stopped going on large amounts of away games 5 years ago due to the birth of my daughter and going onto shift work.
I've got a season ticket and iptv so I'm not going to cry about it

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:06 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:02 pm
There's no reason the club can't use the 20 points retrospectively. It will be a simple algorithm that calculates peoples points.

It's 20 points going forward so the previous games will be 10

ChorltonCharlie · Post by **ChorltonCharlie** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:06 pm

colne-claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:01 pm
I currently have in excess of 13k points and think I’ve got about 2.5k over last 5 seasons. Leaves me wondering if that will be enough for first dibs but I do think it’s fair. Young people were never going to get a chance of catching up. My wife’s been coming on games with me for 10 years plus now and still well behind so it’s good for her too.

Doubt you'll have any worries. We'll only have hundreds of fans who hardly miss an away game and have a ST. There'll be a lot who go to between a third and two thirds. With over 13,000 points you've much likely to be in the first bracket.

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:07 pm

colne-claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:05 pm
Do we think the current seasons season ticket is included? Surely will be?

I renewed in January and 350 points are being shown….surely they have to take into account that?

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:08 pm

colne-claret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:05 pm
Do we think the current seasons season ticket is included? Surely will be?

its says its done on a rolling 5 years, so will exclude 23/24 until next season. I assume youll need to have a 23/24 season ticket though to get first dibs

ClaretInLeeds · Post by **ClaretInLeeds** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:08 pm

Claret86 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:06 pm
Pretty much me although I stopped going on large amounts of away games 5 years ago due to the birth of my daughter and going onto shift work.
I've got a season ticket and iptv so I'm not going to cry about it

Same boat I was in. Stopped going to away games in 2013 as my daughter was born. Started going again properly in the last few seasons as financial circumstances change. This new system benefits me in the same way it hinders you….although the last system was the other way around.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:09 pm

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:07 pm
I renewed in January and 350 points are being shown….surely they have to take into account that?

doubt it looking at the example in the email

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:09 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:58 pm
Will the 20 points per away be applied retrospectively or just going forward?

And is there a link to this anywhere as I can’t find it on the official site?

You need 15000 points to see the article

ArmchairDetective · Post by **ArmchairDetective** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:09 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:46 pm
It doesn't tho because a younger fan starting this season would have no chance and by the time they have enough the closed up 5 year club has shut its doors.
It's basically been made a closed club made by the 'fan advisory board'

I believe there are people on the FAB who are worse off with the new system but felt it was a fairer system overall.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:11 pm

its gets better - they are going to flex loyalty point requirement dependent on number of tickets available