Wout is back

[spt_claret]

You'd think the armchair psychologists would have learned their lesson after having spent the last Prem season reliably informing us that McNeil is lazy, miserable and hates Sean Dyche and couldn't wait to get away from him, only for Dwight to click at Everton once Dyche arrived.

But nope. They're back to tell us that Roberts having a sigh before going into the boot room, and Roberts & Wout along with everyone else occasionally looking tired or hanging their head after doing a load of running and passing, means Roberts is now miserable, everyone hates Weghorst and Weghorst resents being there.

People see what they want to see and make things up to fit their existing opinion. I wonder how many these same people who act like they can tell all of this, are quick to feign sympathy for Foster or Dele Alli, or switch to "you can never tell if you don't know them".

[dandeclaret]

He did okay for us when he was here (granted, not enough goals scored but that was us trying to play with him as if he was Chris Wood)

He did okay for United as well from what I saw (not the standard they need to push on, but he contributed)

He's technically good, works hard and presses well, and is pretty skilful - I don't think he's going to be a natural goal scorer at this level, but he will be much more suited to our current system than he was to the previous one

I think there was an argument on here that he might be our current best striker (Jay not the player he was, Foster still in development, Barnes moved on) and though that is more a criticism of our current striker options, its possibly correct

I'm possibly not seeing stuff that you are because I like him, but I think he can play a role this season

And if he's not fitting in, VK will bin him off asap, and I think the fact he is here suggests he's willing to give it all he's got

He works hard, but without effect. He had these pressing monster stats, but watching the game, the press was broadly ineffective, with him lumbering about behind the player, rather than disrupting them. I didn’t think he did influence or contribute much at United, and there was one game in particular where the show pony on the right wing, amongst others, did all in his power not to use Wout even when it was the right option.

I don’t care about his end of season leave to play higher stuff, but I’ve probably watched him a dozen times on tv between Burnley and Utd, and apart from one or two nice touches, I’ve not seen anything of note.

[Lancasterclaret]

He works hard, but without effect. He had these pressing monster stats, but watching the game, the press was broadly ineffective, with him lumbering about behind the player, rather than disrupting them. I didn’t think he did influence or contribute much at United, and there was one game in particular where the show pony on the right wing, amongst others, did all in his power not to use Wout even when it was the right option.

I don’t care about his end of season leave to play higher stuff, but I’ve probably watched him a dozen times on tv between Burnley and Utd, and apart from one or two nice touches, I’ve not seen anything of note.

Fair enough, at least you've provided an analysis for your reluctance to see him back

I guess will we see

[Dark Cloud]

He's crap and on top of that he's the only person who can't see it! One rather nifty reverse pass to Jay who scored against Man U is the only meaningful contribution I can remember him making for us (apart from very kindly removing his huge wages from our weekly bill by buggering off to Old Trafford via Turkey whilst we battled to restore our PL status without him)

[claretinkorea]

He's crap and on top of that he's the only person who can't see it! One rather nifty reverse pass to Jay who scored against Man U is the only meaningful contribution I can remember him making for us (apart from very kindly removing his huge wages from our weekly bill by buggering off to Old Trafford via Turkey whilst we battled to restore our PL status without him)

So will you cheer him or boo him this season?

[Dark Cloud]

So will you cheer him or boo him this season?

I'll hope we ship him out before the season kicks off and use the money saved to sign a far better player, but if he's still hanging around and playing I'll do neither unless by around April he's proved me to be completely wrong about him, in which case I'll be happy to buy a massive humble pie in Oddies and chuck it at him!!!

[claretcarrot93]

He works hard, but without effect. He had these pressing monster stats, but watching the game, the press was broadly ineffective, with him lumbering about behind the player, rather than disrupting them. I didn’t think he did influence or contribute much at United, and there was one game in particular where the show pony on the right wing, amongst others, did all in his power not to use Wout even when it was the right option.

I don’t care about his end of season leave to play higher stuff, but I’ve probably watched him a dozen times on tv between Burnley and Utd, and apart from one or two nice touches, I’ve not seen anything of note.

Is he currently our best striker though?

[xxmunkyennuixx]

The biggest issue is he is not good enough for English football. Nice touch but always chasing the game due to a lack of pace. Prepared to press but lack of pace means it is ineffective because the player in possession simply runs away from him. Really dodgy finishing when he happens to lumber into a position to shoot. **** in the air means he can't be a target up top. Properly mard and can't hold people off. He offers nothing. We need to shift him on back to Germany or Turkey or Saudi. He's complete shite.

[randomclaret2]

The biggest issue is he is not good enough for English football. Nice touch but always chasing the game due to a lack of pace. Prepared to press but lack of pace means it is ineffective because the player in possession simply runs away from him. Really dodgy finishing when he happens to lumber into a position to shoot. **** in the air means he can't be a target up top. Properly mard and can't hold people off. He offers nothing. We need to shift him on back to Germany or Turkey or Saudi. He's complete shite.

Guaranteed to get a move to one of those countries if they read that write up

[dandeclaret]

Is he currently our best striker though?

Depends what you define as best....

Pedigree / Levels played at
Technical Ability
Effectiveness

The most important one to me is the last one, and I do not believe he is as effective in the premier league as Jay is - mainly due to physical attributes.

[FCBurnley]

I'm still realistic enough to get excited about United rejects coming to us!

Surely he was a Burnley reject going to United. Now that was exciting

[Dark Cloud]

The biggest issue is he is not good enough for English football. Nice touch but always chasing the game due to a lack of pace. Prepared to press but lack of pace means it is ineffective because the player in possession simply runs away from him. Really dodgy finishing when he happens to lumber into a position to shoot. **** in the air means he can't be a target up top. Properly mard and can't hold people off. He offers nothing. We need to shift him on back to Germany or Turkey or Saudi. He's complete shite.

I'm guessing this is lifted word for word from the scouting report left on VK's desk. (Definitely wouldn't surprise me!)

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Guaranteed to get a move to one of those countries if they read that write up

I'm normally really supportive and like all Clarets I've backed some really limited players but, he is shite. Money spent versus efficacy for the level we are at, he has to be down there as one of our most miserably ineffective signings.

Will quite happily be his agent.

[Woodleyclaret]

I agree with previous posts.Get rid no loans we need to get rid permanently .Wout was signed to replace Chris Wood and turned out unable to make the step up from German football.A similar situation to others Rouven being one at Burnley and Timo Werner at Chelsea.

[FCBurnley]

Doesn’t matter how good a player is unless he really wants to play for his club

[beddie]

Be interesting to see if there’s last minute movement for his services, probably from abroad. I imagine his Agent is working hard at the moment.

[AfloatinClaret]

He's crap and on top of that he's the only person who can't see it!...

Nooooooo. He might've pulled the wool over the eyes of those clueless fools, who call themselves (and somehow get paid for being) football coaches & managers at various clubs and indeed one national side around Europe, but he's been found out by the genuine experts on this forum and surely their opinions are the ones that really matter.

Then of course there are those who don't necessarily agree that he's crap, but who do need a pantomime villain to blame for every setback at the club; Jeff Hendrick was only one of a long line of targets for their bile. And while they're publicly bitching about the idea of Wout returning to the fold, in private they're creaming their jeans at the prospect of having such an easy target for their vitriol.

To be fair, the rest of us ought to cut those 'real fans' some slack; after all, they all spent last season having to work their little cotton-socks off to find reasons to denegrate players in our Championship winning team. Muric was their favoured target, though even he too often made it difficult (though never impossible) for the haters, to have a pop.

I do wonder if getting Wout back in the side might be the Club's contribution to those unfortunates? Making this an easier season for them: I mean, Wout chose to play in the World Cup Finals rather than play for us last season, so even if he were to be the Premiership player of the year and score forty goals, he could still be slagged off. Go on lads dip your bread.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Nooooooo. He might've pulled the wool over the eyes of those clueless fools, who call themselves (and somehow get paid for being) football coaches & managers at various clubs and indeed one national side around Europe, but he's been found out by the genuine experts on this forum and surely their opinions are the ones that really matter.

Most of us have watched a fair bit of Wout amble up and down now - what are you seeing in his performances that we have missed that will make him amazing next season?

[colnbev]

Not read all 168 posts so apologises if this has already been put forward.
If WW is part of VKs plans for next season then fair enough.
If not, then welcoming him back in a way to make it look as if he is a valued squad member sends a message to any possible suitors that they will have to pay to prise him away from us. If on the other hand you snub him and make him train with the academy team then that's more or less saying "He's available for £20 and a years subscription to Netflix!"
Think that the way the club has handled his return so far gives us a better chance of keeping his stock as high as possible
for any potential transfer out.

[Rileybobs]

I'm still not sure why Weghorst takes the rap for having a seemingly unprovoked verbal attack launched at him by Roberts.

[AfloatinClaret]

...what are you seeing in his performances that we have missed that will make him amazing next season?

I'm far from convinced that he will be but I'm a realist, rather than a forum expert; when he's fit/playing at his best Jay-Rod's a better footballer than Wout; but for the other 33 or 34 games of the season, I think that WW would do the better job for us in avoiding relegation.
If BFC are to do much better than just avoiding relegation over the coming season, then I believe that it will require Lyle Foster or A N Other who we've not yet signed to come good. Harry Kane or better yet that Haaland kid (after all, we are allegedly targetting younger players with a sell-on value) would be good choices.
But as I've already said, I live in the real world and with Ash Barnes gone - not that that'd have changed my opion - Wout Weghorst is the best that we have and I can't see us securing anyone better for the money that we'd raise by selling him.

[Spiral]

Wout Weghorst is the best that we have and I can't see us securing anyone better for the money that we'd raise by selling him.

I'm giving it less than a 1% chance that we don't bring in a forward this summer. We're clearly willing to spend money to improve the squad.

[123EasyasBFC]

It’s almost Asif the media team thought let’s have a 5min training video and let’s feature roberts and Weghorst separately throughout the video to get the fans talking.

Wouldn’t be surprised if the so called incident between the 2 wasn’t sorted straight away after the game

[blake's wand]

I can't believe some people are saying that Barnes is genuinely better - I love Barnes but I think Wout has a much higher ceiling. Please tell me why Man U went after him, and then continually played him AND he made the Dutch WC team and scored a few goals, if he is terrible? His personality might be a different issue, but on pure ability alone he is a step-up to what we have in the squad. If he isn't, why didn't Man U go after Barnes or J-Rod?

[xxmunkyennuixx]

But as I've already said, I live in the real world and with Ash Barnes gone - not that that'd have changed my opion - Wout Weghorst is the best that we have and I can't see us securing anyone better for the money that we'd raise by selling him.

That's quite a negative mindset. I'd be amazed if we did not sign a striker. Last year we unearthed a lot of gems, I think we will do so again. Wout is not quick enough or physical enough to play English football successfully. We can find someone with those attributes.

This United chatter - one word - Glazers. Rancid owners with poor judgement. ETH took a player to fill a gap in desperation. He was never staying long term. He's not top half quality, he would struggle in the Championship. He lacks pace and physicality. The international football comparison - Premier League is of a higher standard more frequently.

Wout is shite, he needs selling.

[Carwin261]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

[equinox]

I'm still not sure why Weghorst takes the rap for having a seemingly unprovoked verbal attack launched at him by Roberts.

Hardly unprovoked, the guy had just scored the winner in the last minute, remember what Martin Keown did to Van Nistelrooy? And he didn't even score!

[Dark Cloud]

Nooooooo. He might've pulled the wool over the eyes of those clueless fools, who call themselves (and somehow get paid for being) football coaches & managers at various clubs and indeed one national side around Europe, but he's been found out by the genuine experts on this forum and surely their opinions are the ones that really matter.

Then of course there are those who don't necessarily agree that he's crap, but who do need a pantomime villain to blame for every setback at the club; Jeff Hendrick was only one of a long line of targets for their bile. And while they're publicly bitching about the idea of Wout returning to the fold, in private they're creaming their jeans at the prospect of having such an easy target for their vitriol.

To be fair, the rest of us ought to cut those 'real fans' some slack; after all, they all spent last season having to work their little cotton-socks off to find reasons to denegrate players in our Championship winning team. Muric was their favoured target, though even he too often made it difficult (though never impossible) for the haters, to have a pop.

I do wonder if getting Wout back in the side might be the Club's contribution to those unfortunates? Making this an easier season for them: I mean, Wout chose to play in the World Cup Finals rather than play for us last season, so even if he were to be the Premiership player of the year and score forty goals, he could still be slagged off. Go on lads dip your bread.

TBF I'm not a serial "slagger offer" and I actually rarely, if ever do it. I never get on anybody's back publicly at the game although I may occasionally, quietly say something less than complimentary about a player to the guy sitting next to me. I never joined in the "hunt for Hendrick" or "bashing the Boyd", even on here, but Wout really does seriously underwhelm me and if we can't shift him and get somebody better then I think we'll struggle up front.
Having said all that, I do believe 100% in VK and if ultimately he says he wants him and feels he's up to it I'm happy to be proved wrong.

[evensteadiereddie]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

Then again, if he'd not been doing that our body language experts would no doubt have been telling us how disinterested and isolated he looked...

[Lancasterclaret]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

This thread has huge potential for the expert watchers of club videos it has to be said

[123EasyasBFC]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

Surely you aren’t critiquing him for wanting the ball in training and turning around to make out he thinks it’s all about him? Must be on the wind up

[Jambounchained]

This has to be one of the most painful threads I've ever seen on here.

[NickBFC]

I'm as disappointed as anyone the way he has generally played and behaved whilst at Burnley. However, and it is a big however, IF he stays, and IF he knuckles down and actually performs then I'd back him like any other player. For what it's worth I think he'll be gone by the end of the transfer window but in the meantime let's see how he does.

[Vegas Claret]

This has to be one of the most painful threads I've ever seen on here.

it's embarrassing

[aggi]

Most of us have watched a fair bit of Wout amble up and down now - what are you seeing in his performances that we have missed that will make him amazing next season?

The thing is, no-one has said he'll be amazing next season. Some have said that he might fit the system OK or that he is better than our other current options.

All the hyperbole is from the people shouting how crap the guy who last season went to Turkey and averaged 1 in 2, scored a brace in the World Cup quarter finals against the eventual winners and went to Man Utd, played in virtually every single game including 2 domestic cup finals and Europa League games against Barcelona and came 3rd in the league is.

[helmclaret]

Whatever era you play in, if you play for the Dutch national team no are no mug.

Whatever VK decides we all need to get behind the decision.

[AGENT_CLARET]

For me he can come back with a clean slate, also we can treat it like a loan until the January window, he's got several month's to prove himself if he doesn't we ship him out

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Might be thinking hes going to play ten behind Foster or J Rod

[helmclaret]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

Demanding the ball!!!! Sell him now!!!

[claretonthecoast1882]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

but the old adage about ‘If you’ve nothing nice to say then don’t say it’


Your own very words just this week

[xxmunkyennuixx]

The thing is, no-one has said he'll be amazing next season. Some have said that he might fit the system OK or that he is better than our other current options.

All the hyperbole is from the people shouting how crap the guy who last season went to Turkey and averaged 1 in 2, scored a brace in the World Cup quarter finals against the eventual winners and went to Man Utd, played in virtually every single game including 2 domestic cup finals and Europa League games against Barcelona and came 3rd in the league is.

It is not hyperbolic to state he is too limited in terms of mobility and physicality to be of use. We have seen nothing in his spell with us or on loan at United to demonstrate how he will work inside the systems and tactics we employed last season. He has built a fairly decent sample size for himself - how many goals, how many chances created? Four assists and two goals in Premier League football. I think I have that right. Some of this on loan at United... an elite team and he still didn't score or provide chances.

Already covered United's predicament and international football. Players are sometimes signed as stop gaps eg. Falcao, Larsson, Ighalo. United have a history of it.

I will not be sat at the ground launching abuse at him. I would expect us to be struggling in the bottom three with him in the team. We can do better, I think we will sign better. I expect he will be sold making this thread redundant in many ways.

[claretcarrot93]

Watching the training video ,even there he seemed to be demanding the ball a lot of the time as if it’s all about “Me Me Me “ ,I think he’s a legend in is own mind.

Sell him now! Having the sheer audacity to ask for the ball on a football pitch. Get rid

[Bosscat]

I read on another thread he got an assist today v Burton in a training ground game this afternoon (after coming on for the last 10 mins) maybe VK knows more than a few on here

[StayingDown4Ever]

Yep - assist for Costelloe late on.

Showed a few good touches but only got about 10 or 15 minutes.

Straight swap for Jay Rod when he came on playing as central striker.

Edit to add - a few players went went out their way to congratulate him for the assist which was good to see - none of the others who assisted (I think Zaroury and Roberts) got a slap on the back!

[Elizabeth]

TBF I'm not a serial "slagger offer" and I actually rarely, if ever do it. I never get on anybody's back publicly at the game although I may occasionally, quietly say something less than complimentary about a player to the guy sitting next to me. I never joined in the "hunt for Hendrick" or "bashing the Boyd", even on here, but Wout really does seriously underwhelm me and if we can't shift him and get somebody better then I think we'll struggle up front.
Having said all that, I do believe 100% in VK and if ultimately he says he wants him and feels he's up to it I'm happy to be proved wrong.

There will be a lot proved wrong DC but let’s see if VK wants him first , or if indeed Weghorst really wants to be here. Too early to know with any certainty.
Interestingly Gary Birtles played 28 games in his first season at Man Utd and didn’t score a league goal. The following season he got into double figures. Maybe we might have some Weghorst joy after all

[HitchinClaret]

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with him starting our first game than if we had to go with Jay.

[lucs86]

It is not hyperbolic to state he is too limited in terms of mobility and physicality to be of use. We have seen nothing in his spell with us or on loan at United to demonstrate how he will work inside the systems and tactics we employed last season.

Our CFs (Jay and Barnes) were constantly dropping deep, back to goal, holding off defenders for a flick or pass wide or into Tella running into the space they vacated. They did this all the time, all season.

Other parts of his game can be questioned but this is the exact role that WW excels at, that he always looks good doing, with us and what I saw at United. He is easily better than Jay and Barnes at it and would be absolutely suited to it in the PL.

I don't see us playing that way 100% of the time next season as defences will be higher, but I'd assume it'll still be the default tactic.

He's also massive and we're a pretty small side. When we play Brentford, Luton, Sheff Utd and other set piece teams he'll be very useful defensively.

He's paid for and in the door, he's rarely injured, good engine, and works very hard. Dyche's criticism was that he was trying to do too much. If he stays he'll be very good for us this season.

Weird thread this.

[TheFamilyCat]

Yep - assist for Costelloe late on.

Showed a few good touches but only got about 10 or 15 minutes.

Straight swap for Jay Rod when he came on playing as central striker.

Edit to add - a few players went went out their way to congratulate him for the assist which was good to see - none of the others who assisted (I think Zaroury and Roberts) got a slap on the back!

Weird that a poster who comes across like a trolling Bastards fine in so many of their posts knows so much about what went on in behind closed doors friendly.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Weird that a poster who comes across like a trolling Bastards fine in so many of their posts knows so much about what went on in behind closed doors friendly.

Fair enough. I won’t post anything further then unless it’s just my personal opinion on things.

[ksrclaret]

Fair enough. I won’t post anything further then unless it’s just my personal opinion on things.

Can’t we have it the other way around?

Your pre season game updates seem oreyt enough but your opinions on stuff are ‘kin pony.