Free Nathan Tella!

[CaptainKirk]

So many people are let too often by the more primitive and base parts of their brains. Someone does something, or something happens which tickles another person's mind, they see something which provokes them into laughter or amusement, and the momentary happy experience of this leads them to the incorrect conclusion that because the thing in question provoked a positive experience in them it must make that thing right, decent, good practice, morally and ethically sound, etc. This is what's happening here. Some Burnley fans found the video funny, and the association of the video with a happy experience has robbed them of objectivity. It's possible (hypothetically) to recognise that the video might be funny while also recognising it as unprofessional, much like how, say, a funeral director might tell a really dark joke that's actually very funny, but doing it in front of a bereaved family is not good form. People need to separate the impression the video made on them from other important considerations relating to professionalism and proper conduct. The video made people laugh/chuckle/smile/however they might describe it (basically it made a positive impression on them), and they're taking a defensive position because they are under the misguided and erroneous belief that it is necessary to defend the video in order to defend validity of their happy response to the video, as though saying or thinking "I need to defend the video being posted otherwise I was wrong to have found it funny", and this leads people to take up positions that they would be on the opposite side of if, in this particular instance, the clubs involved were reversed. It's not wrong to find it funny (though it's some proper lame banter to my mind), but it's also not wrong to think it unprofessional from a premier league football club.

Did you really just type all that?
It might even all make sense but, really, you need to get out more!

[superdimitri]

Didn't work out so well for Leeds with Ben White so I expect it won't for us either.
Still, just a bit of harmless fun.

[Sproggy]

This board’s starting to resemble a Reddit thread full of awkward hysterical near suicidal sci fi type fans who still live with their mum .
The Tella thing is a bit of a giggle , totally harmless ,and if anyone is precious enough to think anyone outside of Burnley /Soton gives an flying feck they really do need to get out more ,and I for one would love to have him back .

Another vocal minority shouting at shadows and looking for things to take issue with whilst the majority look on in disbelief.

[Clovius Boofus]

Rattled

He also has a habit of calling people on here thick and stupid, yet he still hasn't managed to figure out how paragraphs work.

[Chester Perry]

I'm taking forzagranata's word for it that this has happened, but by the the sounds of it it has taken the form of a generic social media campaign, which basically means one person sends out a tiktok or a tweet encouraging other members of the public on the platform to engage with the campaign/meme/drive/challenge or whatever using the hashtag. It's not like she's actually messaging random people one-on-one....

Any one who has watched The Mormons are coming will know that there is a set of approaches that the young missionaries from that community are taught and required to use on a daily basis - this sounds like a similar type of approach. Makes sense to try and use a methodology you know works in eliciting engagement

As for the video - poor taste on a number of levels from what I have seen (not that I expect Mrs Pace-Fergusson to fully understand the purpose intent and message of the original song - at least it only used the hook not the verses). As far as I am aware Tella has never indicated he is being held against his will, the all thing is very different from a missing you, we would love you to return on a permanent contract.

[Volvoclaret]

Another vocal minority shouting at shadows and looking for things to take issue with whilst the majority look on in disbelief.

How can anyone get so rattled and aggressive over a harmless bit of fun
As my Mum would have said " short of summat better to do".
Anyway back to my special cheese toasty?yummy.

[GetIntoEm]

I'm going Tesco's if anyone needs any tissues picking up

[Volvoclaret]

I'm going Tesco's if anyone needs any tissues picking up

This is not that sort of site

[CoolClaret]

How can anyone get so rattled and aggressive over a harmless bit of fun
As my Mum would have said " short of summat better to do".
Anyway back to my special cheese toasty?yummy.

Literally no one is getting rattled or aggressive.

Simply pointing out that it is classless, fans of neutral teams also seem to think it’s tinpot and classless as well.

[ClaretInLeeds]

This is not that sort of site

It has its fair share of wankers though

[Spiral]

Literally no one is getting rattled or aggressive.

Simply pointing out that it is classless, fans of neutral teams also seem to think it’s tinpot and classless as well.

To be fair I was getting aggressive, but not at the video, just towards the snide on here.

[Clovius Boofus]

Literally no one is getting rattled or aggressive.

Oh I don't know about that. At least one so-called adult has spiralled out of control.

[GetIntoEm]

WHY HAVE THEY DONE THIS?!?!

[forzagranata]

The only people 'rattled' or in 'meltdown' here are the Pacebots who seem to over-react to anything which questions the judgment of the chairman.

He's got quite a lot right recently - he's got this one wrong. That's it. Hopefully he gets his cheque book (loan facility) out and pays what needs to be paid to get Tella.

The reported offer of 9 million is a joke.

[JohnMac]

Surely there isn't anyone taking this seriously?

[StayingDown4Ever]

You're having some Mrs Browns Boys level chit chat on here about cheese and you're accusing me of talking a load of shite. Aye, righto.

He derails so many threads with rubbish like that.

[Bosscat]

Surely there isn't anyone taking this seriously?

I take my cheese flavoured snacks very serious

[Spiral]

Surely there isn't anyone taking this seriously?

Think in terms of an immune response. The thing that provokes the response might not be something serious, but the immune response gets to work nonetheless. Maybe a word or two of pushback on this nonsense from Burnley fans themselves gets to people at the club, who thus proceed more thoughtfully in the future and take more careful considerations of the wisdom of their own judgement lest it reflect badly, or like an illness cause harm.

[NewClaret]

Surely there isn't anyone taking this seriously?

It appears so

[CoolClaret]

For some reason it keeps rejecting my attempting at uploading a screen shot and I can’t be bothered to host on a website and embed BUT :

https://twitter.com/Cabbage_Face/status ... 17600?s=20

Pace’s daughter needs to be a bit smarter here. She could easily get herself into some bother.

Think stuff like this needs to get shut down if honest and Spiral is correct - a thorough rejection is needed.

[Newcastleclaret93]

For some reason I it keeps rejecting my attempting at uploading a screen shot and I can’t be bothered to host on a website and embed BUT :

https://twitter.com/Cabbage_Face/status ... 17600?s=20

Pace’s daughter needs to be a bit smarter here. She could easily get herself into some bother.

Think stuff like this needs to get shut down if honest and Spiral is correct - a thorough rejection is needed.

Yes that’s pretty naughty tbh.

Pace needs to take her phone off her or sack her for that.

[Firthy]

I'm going Tesco's if anyone needs any tissues picking up

No tissues needed but wouldn't mind some cheese

[Corky]

I think for me the tipping point is that this has been done by the Chairmans daughter and as such has a level of official patronage that I am not comfortable with. It makes it feel cheap and tacky and incredibly unprofessional. However if this had been done by a fan I would have found it quite amusing. But would the club?

[RVclaret]

For some reason it keeps rejecting my attempting at uploading a screen shot and I can’t be bothered to host on a website and embed BUT :

https://twitter.com/Cabbage_Face/status ... 17600?s=20

Pace’s daughter needs to be a bit smarter here. She could easily get herself into some bother.

Think stuff like this needs to get shut down if honest and Spiral is correct - a thorough rejection is needed.

Incredibly naive and can’t believe people are dismissing it as ‘a bit of fun’

[boyyanno]

For some reason it keeps rejecting my attempting at uploading a screen shot and I can’t be bothered to host on a website and embed BUT :

https://twitter.com/Cabbage_Face/status ... 17600?s=20

Pace’s daughter needs to be a bit smarter here. She could easily get herself into some bother.

Think stuff like this needs to get shut down if honest and Spiral is correct - a thorough rejection is needed.

Agree that's poor. We'd be rightly very ****** off if the shoe was on the other foot.

[Greenmile]

Half have had to google Tik Tock

..and half of them had to Ask Jeeves how to use Google first.

[whiffa]

Has anyone taken a moment to consider perhaps the deal is done and this is all a marketing ploy? Certainly got people talking and when Ms Pace says "Can't divulge too much but it's all going to plan" perhaps we should just sit back, relax and see what happens.

[Bosscat]

Has anyone taken a moment to consider perhaps the deal is done and this is all a marketing ploy? Certainly got people talking and when Ms Pace says "Can't divulge too much but it's all going to plan" perhaps we should just sit back, relax and see what happens.

With some Stilton and a good red wine

[RVclaret]

Has anyone taken a moment to consider perhaps the deal is done and this is all a marketing ploy? Certainly got people talking and when Ms Pace says "Can't divulge too much but it's all going to plan" perhaps we should just sit back, relax and see what happens.

Aside from there definitely being no deal done, a marketing ploy for who exactly? A few Burnley fans?

[Volvoclaret]

..and half of them had to Ask Jeeves how to use Google first.

Had to ask Archie what Ask Jeeves was.

[CoolClaret]

Has anyone taken a moment to consider perhaps the deal is done and this is all a marketing ploy? Certainly got people talking and when Ms Pace says "Can't divulge too much but it's all going to plan" perhaps we should just sit back, relax and see what happens.

I think that’s a bit naive if honest.

The chairman’s daughter is being incredibly naive replying to random peoples DMs - especially over content like this.

Like it or not she’s de facto now a person of ‘influence’ if you will.

Could easily be a journo in there, get her to say something incredibly dumb/naive and next thing you know we’re in the papers etc in a negative light.

You might think that’s an over reaction but that’s how it works, sadly. Needs nipping in the bud.

[Volvoclaret]

With some Stilton and a good red wine

Go hardcore B C and make it Blue Stilton.

[daveisaclaret]

Has anyone taken a moment to consider perhaps the deal is done and this is all a marketing ploy? Certainly got people talking and when Ms Pace says "Can't divulge too much but it's all going to plan" perhaps we should just sit back, relax and see what happens.

It would be an unusual misstep from the social media team if they changed from the almost universally lauded signing reveal videos to this. If Pace had posted it and we'd announced his signing right after, maybe. But the video being followed by silence other than various journalists saying it hasn't happened, nah.

[whiffa]

I think that’s a bit naive if honest.

The chairman’s daughter is being incredibly naive replying to random peoples DMs - especially over content like this.

Like it or not she’s de facto now a person of ‘influence’ if you will.

Could easily be a journo in there, get her to say something incredibly dumb/naive and next thing you know we’re in the papers etc in a negative light.

You might think that’s an over reaction but that’s how it works, sadly. Needs nipping in the bud.

I can see it from both sides, but we won't know the situation until more time passes.

just sit back, relax and see what happens.

[Spiral]

What does Burnley gain from a marketing ploy involving a person only the two clubs involved will know about (and only two clubs rather than one because the provocative nature of the video draws her attention to Saints fans)? If she's not acting in an official capacity then it's not marketing, not even guerrilla marketing, it's just an influencer making online content with badly defined lines barely acting as a separation border between the club's official output and non club affiliated content. If she is acting in some official capacity then: 1. it's not best practice to originate a marketing ploy from the account of a person barely anyone knows, 2. it's unbecoming of a PL team to behave this way. For all the lip service about tradition and history, this is not in the spirit of our tradition.

Any attempt at justifying it as a marketing ploy sound to me like a final cause explanation, an attempt to reason from the end result to a cause, as though impelled by some latent awareness of the classlessness of it all to confect some form of more dignified origin for it, and thus it is argued that it has a commercial origin. But it does not, not with BFC, anyway. It's just an influencer doing shitty influencer things, and a dad with a blindspot for his daughter's foolishness.

[Rileybobs]

Maybe Nathan Tella really wants to come back to Burnley and he hacked Pace’s daughter’s Twitter account and made a video campaign for him to return using an AI representation of her.

Just sit back, relax and see what happens.

[Coeus]

Try these!

[clive40golf]

So where is this Nissan Main Dealer going to be?

I think with everyone getting a bit het up about this, they missed a really good joke! Worthy of being bumped!

Thanks for making me smile Marney&Mee.

[Bosscat]

Try these!

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[Cooclaret]

I think that’s a bit naive if honest.

The chairman’s daughter is being incredibly naive replying to random peoples DMs - especially over content like this.

Like it or not she’s de facto now a person of ‘influence’ if you will.

Could easily be a journo in there, get her to say something incredibly dumb/naive and next thing you know we’re in the papers etc in a negative light.

You might think that’s an over reaction but that’s how it works, sadly. Needs nipping in the bud.

Or perhaps she’s grown up at the apron stings of a very successful father, mother and family and isn’t as naive and ignorant as some on here would think.

Maybe she’s just an intelligent young person who has conceived a marketing ploy that is engaging to a younger audience and has been green lighted by her father (the Chairman) and it’s going exactly as they planned.

It could be seen as rather demeaning to label her dumb/naive.

I would guess that the board isn’t a fair and reasonable representation of the target audience. The club is moving forward in so many aspects, there’s bound to be few that missed the bus out of Royston Vasey.

[Cooclaret]

What does Burnley gain from a marketing ploy involving a person only the two clubs involved will know about (and only two clubs rather than one because the provocative nature of the video draws her attention to Saints fans)? If she's not acting in an official capacity then it's not marketing, not even guerrilla marketing, it's just an influencer making online content with badly defined lines barely acting as a separation border between the club's official output and non club affiliated content. If she is acting in some official capacity then: 1. it's not best practice to originate a marketing ploy from the account of a person barely anyone knows, 2. it's unbecoming of a PL team to behave this way. For all the lip service about tradition and history, this is not in the spirit of our tradition.

Any attempt at justifying it as a marketing ploy sound to me like a final cause explanation, an attempt to reason from the end result to a cause, as though impelled by some latent awareness of the classlessness of it all to confect some form of more dignified origin for it, and thus it is argued that it has a commercial origin. But it does not, not with BFC, anyway. It's just an influencer doing shitty influencer things, and a dad with a blindspot for his daughter's foolishness.

That’s quite a forceful post with just a hint of bias.

[wilks_bfc]

I guess if nothings happened before weekend we’ll know more when the Southampton squad is revealed for their opening game on Friday

[Cooclaret]

Think in terms of an immune response. The thing that provokes the response might not be something serious, but the immune response gets to work nonetheless. Maybe a word or two of pushback on this nonsense from Burnley fans themselves gets to people at the club, who thus proceed more thoughtfully in the future and take more careful considerations of the wisdom of their own judgement lest it reflect badly, or like an illness cause harm.

How have you defined ‘Burnley fans’? Can you safely say, that your opinion, even the captured opinion of this board is fully representative of the mood of all Burnley fans?

It’s going down a treat on Twitter, a platform that might have a differing dynamic of representation. It’s spilled into different social media platforms too, furthering the ‘reach’ of the club.

[CoolClaret]

Or perhaps she’s grown up at the apron stings of a very successful father, mother and family and isn’t as naive and ignorant as some on here would think.

Maybe she’s just an intelligent young person who has conceived a marketing ploy that is engaging to a younger audience and has been green lighted by her father (the Chairman) and it’s going exactly as they planned.

It could be seen as rather demeaning to label her dumb/naive.

I would guess that the board isn’t a fair and reasonable representation of the target audience. The club is moving forward in so many aspects, there’s bound to be few that missed the bus out of Royston Vasey.

I’d refer you to Spiral’s post re: ‘marketing ploy’

Also not sure how a tasteless video aimed at a player contracted at another club could ever be considered ‘a marketing ploy’

You’ve also completely shirked my actual point.

Being open replying to randoms DMs like that IS naive - especially for her now in the position that she’s in.

We’re a PL team again, the eyes of the globe are on us.

A journo could easily be in there get a bit of a daft reply and all of a sudden there’s a back page spread ‘Burnley tapping up Tella’ etc etc

That’s how this game works. You can’t give them an inch.

[Spiral]

In One Hundred Years of Solitude there's a character called Jose Arcadio Buendia, another called Colenel Aureliano Buendia, another called Jose Arcadio, another called Aureliano Jose, another just called Arcadio, one called Jose Arcadio Segundo, another called Aureliano Segundo, there's a Jose Arcadio the third, an Aureliano the third...

Basically, what I'm saying is, when you've got two posters having a conversation with one another and one is called CoolClaret and the other Cooclaret it gets really confusing trying to follow the flow of the conversation!

[CoolClaret]

Basically, what I'm saying is, when you've got two posters having a conversation with one another and one is called CoolClaret and the other Cooclaret it gets really confusing trying to follow the flow of the conversation!

Just remember me as the cool one and him as the bloke that thinks the Courteeners are a top band

[Cooclaret]

I’d refer you to Spiral’s post re: ‘marketing ploy’

Also not sure how a tasteless video aimed at a player contracted at another club could ever be considered ‘a marketing ploy’

You’ve also completely shirked my actual point.

Being open replying to randoms DMs like that IS naive - especially for her now in the position that she’s in.

We’re a PL team again, the eyes of the globe are on us.

A journo could easily be in there get a bit of a daft reply and all of a sudden there’s a back page spread ‘Burnley tapping up Tella’ etc etc

That’s how this game works. You can’t give them an inch.

They could, but you’ve started from a point assuming she is naive. Why is your assumption correct, and mine not?
You’ll surely have to concede that for your point to stand, you could easily assume she is media savvy, and what she is doing is by design? Neither of us know for certain…

Tapping up happens, it’s happening at the very heights of football, it happens in NW Counties, let’s both not be naive.

Let’s make another assumption; she is friends with Tella and he is in on the process to help him force through a move…

Or another, the deal is done, and it’s all part of the announcement.

We could go on and on…

I think to so openly call out a young person as people have on this thread, using swear words and demeaning words, isn’t okay.

[Cooclaret]

Just remember me as the cool one and him as the bloke that thinks the Courteeners are a top band

I do like Courteeners. I was arguing that they deliver a better live performance than Arctic Monkeys. That Liam Fray respects the fans more and knows how to make them feel included and loved. Alex Turner doesn’t, he resents having to play the songs that made him famous and gave him a platform to explore his musical self.

[Tricky Trevor]

I would Imagine Russell Martin is getting a bit peeved at Burnley. He lost, Obafemi, his starter striker to us in January after he downed tools in August last season and now he might find this repeating.
If I was him I’d be telling the board anybody but Burnley. Although as always the player signs where he wants to sign.

[Spiral]

How have you defined ‘Burnley fans’? Can you safely say, that your opinion, even the captured opinion of this board is fully representative of the mood of all Burnley fans?

It’s going down a treat on Twitter, a platform that might have a differing dynamic of representation. It’s spilled into different social media platforms too, furthering the ‘reach’ of the club.

I mean, it thought it was heavily implied that when mentioning a hypothetical pushback from Burnley fans, I'm referring to the ones who aren't keen on what it is they're pushing back on.

Prince Andrew memes go down well on twitter. Is the club to start posting them, too?

On a related note, quite a while ago I argued that the club needs to employ a chief meme officer to meme our way to greater exposure. The chief meme officer will have a keen awareness of where lies the lines you do not cross, and one of those lines is crossed in posting anything that could lead materially to another club's player being unsettled. We all know tapping up happens anyway, but here's the thing: football fans are invested in the very idea of their club and its eternal existence, and anything that could be perceives as having the potential to cause harm, even reputational harm, however small or slight, is usually challenged. When a fan invests in the idea of a club's very existence, they have in mind a certain code of conduct they expect of the club to which they do not hold themselves, because it's the interest of their club as an institution to be good sports, and being good sports is valuable to the health of the club, even if the fans themselves are keenly aware that they are themselves, in their capacity as fans, complete savages willing to go scorched earth on every other club, player, manager and owner in the world. A chief meme officer would be tuned in to this distinction between the club conduct and that of its fans, knowing just how far to lean into banter one way or the other to gain exposure without it crossing into debased, shameless infamy.