The earth

[fanzone]

Is it flat?

[Rileybobs]

No, it’s pretty hilly.

[fidelcastro]

Yes, plus man didn't go to the moon, Princess Diana was murdered, 9/11 was an inside job and climate change is a hoax.

I know it's true because I saw it on the internet.

[Juan Tanamera]

Parts of Utah are, apparently.
I wonder how they move over the state line without falling over the edge.

[Nonayforever]

When you are on it, yes it is flat.
When you are in a space ship it's round.
I don't know at what point it changes.

[Bosscat]

Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!
Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!
Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly, was it something that you said?
Lovers walking along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
Is the sound of distant drumming just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
Half remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over you were suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning to the color of her hair!
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
As the images unwind, like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind!

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

Is an Ellipsoid

[bobinho]

Is eating itself again….

Sure we ain’t helping, but life on this planet has being going around in circles since it all started billions of years ago….only thing different this time around is some people are making **** loads of money out of it.

[Nonayforever]

Is an Ellipsoid

Why has no one told me this before now ?

[Vegas Claret]

is ******

[aclaretinstevenage]

Surely it's Spherical.

[Quicknick]

... isn't going to boil over.

[Bosscat]

Surely it's Spherical.

Its 41 miles further round the Equator than round the Poles so deffo an ellipsoid

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[Taffy on the wing]

Is eating itself again….

Sure we ain’t helping, but life on this planet has being going around in circles since it all started billions of years ago….only thing different this time around is some people are making **** loads of money out of it.

********!

[LordBob]

.... and gravity is a myth ... the Earth sucks !!

[Taffy on the wing]

Bullocks!

[tarkys_ears]

Is it flat?

Yes

[Bosscat]

Yes

Sphericals

[tarkys_ears]

Nah it's flat. Like a pancake. All you lot with circular ideas and what not are wrong and crazy.

...now OP. What you gonna do about it?

[Cirrus_Minor]

It is oblate

[Lancasterclaret]

is starting to look a little f**ked

[LoveCurryPies]

Round like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain, or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel that's turning running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!
Like a tunnel that you follow to a tunnel of its own
Down a hollow to a cavern where the sun has never shone
Like a door that keeps revolving in a half forgotten dream
Or the ripples from a pebble someone tosses in a stream
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind!
Keys that jingle in your pocket, words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly, was it something that you said?
Lovers walking along a shore and leave their footprints in the sand
Is the sound of distant drumming just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway and the fragment of a song
Half remembered names and faces, but to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over you were suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning to the color of her hair!
Like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning on an ever spinning reel
As the images unwind, like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind!

You really bothered to type all that?

[Bosscat]

You really bothered to type all that?

Of course

[groove]

Yes, plus man didn't go to the moon, Princess Diana was murdered, 9/11 was an inside job and climate change is a hoax.

I know it's true because I saw it on the internet.

I'm not sure on the flat earth thing, but I believe you're spot on with the others. Even though you're being ironic.

[Bosscat]

I'm not sure on the flat earth thing, but I believe you're spot on with the others. Even though you're being ironic.

Have you not seen that documentary "A Grand Day Out" of course mans been to the moon duhhh

[bobinho]

********!

Earth’s atmosphere is 0.04% CO2 (that’s as close to a cast iron fact as you can get, check it out). Only 3% of that is proven to be manmade so humans are responsible for 0.0012% of global CO2. Still with me? Good… this will lose you tho because these next few sentences haven’t been presented to you by some government muppet, Ben Fogle or some BBC puppet.

Major industrial European economies such as the UK or Germany are responsible for 1% of global CO2 emissions. That means we’re all going to get hammered with restrictions, taxes and nonsense for 0.000012% of global CO2. All whilst some very rich people have figured out how to convince everyone that it’s only happening because of us and by convincing us the best way to combat it is to charge us for doing it…. It’s the work of an absolute GENIUS!!!
Nonstop nonsense, and people lap it up just so they can preach to others about how environmentally responsible they are….
Turns out, your statement is quite correct!!!

[timshorts]

Well I typed in "does boris johnson think the world is flat?", but the first response that came up was:-

"more people now believe that the earth is flat than think brexit was a good idea."

So either 52% think that the world is flat so stop this thread now you spherebelievers and get over it.

Or the "more people" includes people that aren't British so they don't count and are now laughing at us more than they were at the time.

[Lancasterclaret]

Imagine my shock to find climate change denier experts amongst the community that is UTC

Say, why don't we trust the experts on this one rather than the facebook junkies eh?

[Spiral]

Earth’s atmosphere is 0.04% CO2 (that’s as close to a cast iron fact as you can get, check it out). Only 3% of that is proven to be manmade so humans are responsible for 0.0012% of global CO2. Still with me? Good… this will lose you tho because these next few sentences haven’t been presented to you by some government muppet, Ben Fogle or some BBC puppet.

Major industrial European economies such as the UK or Germany are responsible for 1% of global CO2 emissions. That means we’re all going to get hammered with restrictions, taxes and nonsense for 0.000012% of global CO2. All whilst some very rich people have figured out how to convince everyone that it’s only happening because of us and by convincing us the best way to combat it is to charge us for doing it…. It’s the work of an absolute GENIUS!!!
Nonstop nonsense, and people lap it up just so they can preach to others about how environmentally responsible they are….
Turns out, your statement is quite correct!!!

Countries like the UK have long since passes the carbon buck to developing countries. The reason industrial nations like China and India emit so much carbon (USA is up there, too) is in part because post-industrial nations like ours buy so much stuff right down through the supply chain from those heavily industrialised countries. We're having our cake and eating it by arguing that we don't contribute sod all to carbon emission (and as such, the flawed argument goes, we're absolved of responsibility) while also shopping heavily in heavily industrialised countries, thus creating a demand for industry that heavily impacts climate change. Honestly, forget ideology, the way you're looking at this is not a remotely practical way of looking at it. It's like half an argument you're putting forward, there are so many parts missing and misunderstood.

Also, the way you've framed the first part of your post where you're quoting data, your framing is nothing more than an appeal to credulity. Terrible argument.

[bobinho]

Imagine my shock to find climate change denier experts amongst the community that is UTC

Say, why don't we trust the experts on this one rather than the facebook junkies eh?

Can’t see any deniers on here yet Lancaster…. I’m certainly not a denier. I honestly believe it’s happening. I just happen to believe that what we are bringing to this “party” isn’t as much as the people who have the most to gain from it will have us believe.

It can be brought right back to the very basics…. How many ice ages have we seen BEFORE humans started to refine oil?

Just how much proof of the cycle that is hot to cold to hot to cold do scientists have to provide before people accept that global warming is naturally occurring and we have absolutely ZERO chance of stopping it. It’s just used as another excuse to squeeze more money out of us.

[Spiral]

"I'm certainly not a denier"

*proceeds with denialist rhetoric*

[Lancasterclaret]

Can’t see any deniers on here yet Lancaster…. I’m certainly not a denier. I honestly believe it’s happening. I just happen to believe that what we are bringing to this “party” isn’t as much as the people who have the most to gain from it will have us believe.

It can be brought right back to the very basics…. How many ice ages have we seen BEFORE humans started to refine oil?

Just how much proof of the cycle that is hot to cold to hot to cold do scientists have to provide before people accept that global warming is naturally occurring and we have absolutely ZERO chance of stopping it. It’s just used as another excuse to squeeze more money out of us.

Right

How many of these other ice ages were made worse by man made climate change?

I get that the big volcanic eruptions and the asteroid hits made these changes far, far worse - 90% of the population went in the one caused by the asteroid

Why would we not do stuff to make these naturally accruing climate events not worse?

I get that there is a limit to what we can do, but surely we can do better than we are or are even planning to do?

[BurnleyFC]

Chemtrails flattened it out.

[CoolClaret]

It’s so tedious and boring debating with science deniers.

Every day they happily use technologies that have totally revolutionised the world, coming from the brilliant ideas & nous off scientists & engineers over the years - such as the internet & aviation without a hint of a second guess….

Yet when it comes to things like the climate & vaccines (of which there is both an overwhelming consensus that we’ve contributed to it and that vaccines do work and are safe) they completely disregard all that for some half cooked crap from your David Icke’s of the world

[Spiral]

Every day they happily use technologies...

This point here, phones and laptops manufactured in factories in the industrial East and the industrial USA, made with components built from materials mined in Iran and Africa and China, shipped here on containers run on oil dug out of the ground in underdeveloped countries; people sit here in the UK, and on that very phone — the product of global industry, globalised industry which exists precisely because of the trends in industry away from wealthy countries and towards developing countries over the last 200 years — they sit there with that thing in their hand and use it to argue that the UK and its people have no responsibility for the market conditions under which carbon emissions have increased. It's so narrow minded. If they were humble enough to admit, "hmm, didn't think about it that way", it would revolutionise their thoughts on the issue.

[CoolClaret]

This point here, phones and laptops manufactured in factories in the industrial East and the industrial USA, made with components built from materials mined in Iran and Africa and China, shipped here on containers run on oil dug out of the ground in underdeveloped countries; people sit here in the UK, and on that very phone — the product of global industry, globalised industry which exists precisely because of the trends in industry away from wealthy countries and towards developing countries over the last 200 years — they sit there with that thing in their hand and use it to argue that the UK and its people have no responsibility for the market conditions under which carbon emissions have increased. It's so narrow minded. If they were humble enough to admit, "hmm, didn't think about it that way", it would revolutionise their thoughts on the issue.

Just sparked a memory here… Listened to some good podcasts on this topic - I don’t particularly like promoting Joe Rogan anymore (since he became a platform for right winger misinformation to go without challenge) but whilst looking for podcasts to download to listen to waiting for a flight around Christmas I came across one with this journalist, Siddharth Kara (episode 1914) and it was pretty mind blowing.

He managed to get into some of the Cobalt mines of the Congo (he referenced that he could blend in with other subcontinent workers that work their) and managed to take some photos/videos and report on the working conditions there.

Short excerpt here:

https://youtu.be/CIWvk3gJ_7E

It’s quite staggering - this is why pressure groups that get laughed at such as JSO etc are important, we can facilitate change with dialogue & reporting, a sort of ‘change in the national/international conscious’ and it’s important that these issues as you mentioned aren’t casually brushed to the side like it’s not our fault.

Nothing good ever came from people shrugging their shoulders and passing the book on.

[Vegas Claret]

No, it’s pretty hilly.

some will blame that on Weghorst

[Hipper]

... is getting about 4cm further away from the moon every year.

[groove]

Imagine my shock to find climate change denier experts amongst the community that is UTC

Say, why don't we trust the experts on this one rather than the facebook junkies eh?

Like we trusted the experts during Covid? Trouble is, mainstream media only shows the experts that follow the narrative they are pushing. Thousands of experts are silenced and/or cancelled if they say anything that contradicts this.

[mikeS]

It's an oblate spheroid.

[Taffy on the wing]

Earth’s atmosphere is 0.04% CO2 (that’s as close to a cast iron fact as you can get, check it out). Only 3% of that is proven to be manmade so humans are responsible for 0.0012% of global CO2. Still with me? Good… this will lose you tho because these next few sentences haven’t been presented to you by some government muppet, Ben Fogle or some BBC puppet.

Major industrial European economies such as the UK or Germany are responsible for 1% of global CO2 emissions. That means we’re all going to get hammered with restrictions, taxes and nonsense for 0.000012% of global CO2. All whilst some very rich people have figured out how to convince everyone that it’s only happening because of us and by convincing us the best way to combat it is to charge us for doing it…. It’s the work of an absolute GENIUS!!!
Nonstop nonsense, and people lap it up just so they can preach to others about how environmentally responsible they are….
Turns out, your statement is quite correct!!!

********!

[willsclarets]

Is it flat?

Depends where you're stood

[Claretnick]

Is our only home...

[Hipper]

Is our only home...

I believe Elton John has six homes.

[CoolClaret]

Like we trusted the experts during Covid? Trouble is, mainstream media only shows the experts that follow the narrative they are pushing. Thousands of experts are silenced and/or cancelled if they say anything that contradicts this.

Actually we didn’t, that was half the problem in the first place.

Not to mention that half the reason that we were so unprepared was because of the slow erosion of all our services and responses to things like this thanks to 13 years of Tory rule….

Science can change on the observable data presented…

What would you offer as an alternative course of action?

No informed decisions on legislation made in rapidly changing environments?

Sounds very dangerous

[ŽižkovClaret]

When you are on it, yes it is flat.
When you are in a space ship it's round.
I don't know at what point it changes.

Bottom of the hill on t'way to t'Waggoners

[UGR]

Yes, plus man didn't go to the moon, Princess Diana was murdered, 9/11 was an inside job and climate change is a hoax.

I know it's true because I saw it on the internet.

Internet, almost free speech and everyone is allowed to debate. BBC controlled media, pushing the agenda.

Let's just think about that

[UGR]

It’s so tedious and boring debating with science deniers.

Every day they happily use technologies that have totally revolutionised the world, coming from the brilliant ideas & nous off scientists & engineers over the years - such as the internet & aviation without a hint of a second guess….

Yet when it comes to things like the climate & vaccines (of which there is both an overwhelming consensus that we’ve contributed to it and that vaccines do work and are safe) they completely disregard all that for some half cooked crap from your David Icke’s of the world

People like you need to wake up. We are heading for a very grim place. Just look now at the food supplies being taken over, 3000 dutch farmers having their farms taken from them whilst Gates, a computer seller, prepares us for fake food, insect burgers etc.

Just look what Trudeau did to the Canadian people and the truckers. Whilst Klaus says he has infiltrated cabinets with muppets like this.

More and more people have awakened, some, like yourself are so far behind it's embarrassing.

[CoolClaret]

People like you need to wake up. We are heading for a very grim place. Just look now at the food supplies being taken over, 3000 dutch farmers having their farms taken from them whilst Gates, a computer seller, prepares us for fake food, insect burgers etc.

Just look what Trudeau did to the Canadian people and the truckers. Whilst Klaus says he has infiltrated cabinets with muppets like this.

More and more people have awakened, some, like yourself are so far behind it's embarrassing.

Congratulations, you’ve just won the Conspiracy Theorist bingo with a full house.

Who has ‘awakened’ you then? Russell Brand? Breitbart? Daily Wire? Stephen Crowder?

You do understand what these guys do - they take tiny tiny tiny kernels of truth and twist them to fit a fake narrative in order to grift to people like you, ultimately to make money.

There’s no conspiracy, the crap you come up with can be explained by huge Corporations wanting to maximise profits and gain influence in the world…. Voting for and subscribing to conspiracy theorists World views will not help rectify those issues one jot.

Just for the record, what has ‘Trudeau done to the Canadian people and truckers’ ?

I look forward to your response

[Rileybobs]

There's a little whiff of Matt LeTissier on here.