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Davison Sanchez
Apparently Levy has accepted a £12.9m bid from Spartak Moscow for him.
Surely in the current situation this is morally corrupt from Daniel Levy.
Premier League have said clubs are discouraged but not banned from dealing with Russia?
Player doesn’t want to go
Has Levy got no moral compass at all
Surely in the current situation this is morally corrupt from Daniel Levy.
Premier League have said clubs are discouraged but not banned from dealing with Russia?
Player doesn’t want to go
Has Levy got no moral compass at all
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Has Levy got no moral compass at all
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I’m assuming that’s rhetorical?
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I’m assuming that’s rhetorical?
Re: Davison Sanchez
Maybe it’ll go toward Joe Lewis’ bail.
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Re: Davison Sanchez
Daniel Levy and morals don't go together
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“Premier League have said clubs are discouraged but not banned from dealing with Russia? “
There’s your answer, in other words do what you want.
There’s your answer, in other words do what you want.
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they are allowed to do it but how will they get paid ? I thought Russian businesses had had their ability to trade outside Russia severely restricted
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Hopefully Government will step in and block it
Another example why Premier League can’t regulate itself and Independent Regulator needed
Brain dead from people running Premier League IMO
Another example why Premier League can’t regulate itself and Independent Regulator needed
Brain dead from people running Premier League IMO
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Re: Davison Sanchez
If the player doesn’t want to go you can’t make him
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Davison is rumoured to have turned down the deal.
Found out that they’d only be paying him with stolen Ukrainian fridges and microwaves..
But in all seriousness, he has allegedly turned them down.
Found out that they’d only be paying him with stolen Ukrainian fridges and microwaves..
But in all seriousness, he has allegedly turned them down.
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If he doesn't want to go then he won't go
His contract expires next summer so he could just wait it out
His contract expires next summer so he could just wait it out
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That doesn’t take away from the fact that the Spurs Chairman accepted the bid, which is the point I’m making.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:27 pmIf he doesn't want to go then he won't go
His contract expires next summer so he could just wait it out
How sad that a player has to make the decision for a Chairmen who should know better
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Not really sure what the difference between newcastle buying players and levy selling a player to Russia?
Is Russia worse than Saudi money?
Is Russia worse than Saudi money?
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is that a serious question ?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:41 pmNot really sure what the difference between newcastle buying players and levy selling a player to Russia?
Is Russia worse than Saudi money?
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I assume Spurs will be able to convince who ever they need to that the source of funding was not subject to sanctions - it was the fans who paid their hard earned roubles at the gate your honour - yeah well.
But how on earth can they persuade Sanchez to go.
Tell him he's on big money - great in Russia, but what chance of sending any of that home, and what consumer goods can he spend it on in Moscow -especially as he's leaving London, which does have its opportunities.
Tell him the locals with their history of abuse against black people will love him. Oh yeah, a couple of indifferent games and he'll be only too well aware of what the locals really think.
Tell him all the news stories he's seen for the last 17 months about Putin's "Special Operation" aren't really that big a deal. Even the Government of his home country, Colombia, supported the UN resolution to “immediately, completely and unconditionally” withdraw from Ukraine. He'll be lucky if he isn't conscripted and sent to the front line.
Few things surprise me in the world of football, but this absolutely stinks.
I hope Sanchez tells Levy where to stick it, and hopefully sideways.
But how on earth can they persuade Sanchez to go.
Tell him he's on big money - great in Russia, but what chance of sending any of that home, and what consumer goods can he spend it on in Moscow -especially as he's leaving London, which does have its opportunities.
Tell him the locals with their history of abuse against black people will love him. Oh yeah, a couple of indifferent games and he'll be only too well aware of what the locals really think.
Tell him all the news stories he's seen for the last 17 months about Putin's "Special Operation" aren't really that big a deal. Even the Government of his home country, Colombia, supported the UN resolution to “immediately, completely and unconditionally” withdraw from Ukraine. He'll be lucky if he isn't conscripted and sent to the front line.
Few things surprise me in the world of football, but this absolutely stinks.
I hope Sanchez tells Levy where to stick it, and hopefully sideways.
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The player might want to go, he’s not a slave who can only work where he’s told! There’s a lot of countries in the world that are still trading with Russia.Ilkley claret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:33 pmThat doesn’t take away from the fact that the Spurs Chairman accepted the bid, which is the point I’m making.
How sad that a player has to make the decision for a Chairmen who should know better
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Article says player is reluctant to goBurnley Ace wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:44 pmThe player might want to go, he’s not a slave who can only work where he’s told! There’s a lot of countries in the world that are still trading with Russia.
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He doesn’t go then. And he either moves on to a club he does want to go to, or he stays at Spurs getting paid until the end of his contract.Ilkley claret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:56 pmApparently Levy has accepted a £12.9m bid from Spartak Moscow for him.
Surely in the current situation this is morally corrupt from Daniel Levy.
Premier League have said clubs are discouraged but not banned from dealing with Russia?
Player doesn’t want to go
Has Levy got no moral compass at all
Smooth moves, Dan…
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Russians blow up Ukrainians but have tons of money
Saudis blow up Yemenis but have tons of money
It is about time that people in this country realised there is a moral compass that you should have, and it shouldn't be tempted by your football club being able to buy a few more players and of better quality than it used to
Saudis blow up Yemenis but have tons of money
It is about time that people in this country realised there is a moral compass that you should have, and it shouldn't be tempted by your football club being able to buy a few more players and of better quality than it used to
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I think some people might be disillusioned having any sense of expectation regarding players or owners dealing with dodgy countries with horrific human rights records or aggressors like Russia, players & owners in most cases will just follow the money first & foremost & it should come as no surprise, to mimic what somebody once correctly stated, money doesn’t talk it screams.
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I remember him having a good game at Burnley in that Poch team.
Seems to have lost his way but he looked a great prospect at the time.
Seems to have lost his way but he looked a great prospect at the time.
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Hope he stays, he is reliable for the 2 fouls in a game market on the bet builder
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Or perhaps we learn from hundreds of years of trying to impose our views on the world and realise our “morals” might not be the same as others. Live your own life and let others live there’s. If you want to impose your moral judgement, in the same way that some Christians want to impose their moral judgment on others, crack on and do it yourselfLancasterclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:19 pmRussians blow up Ukrainians but have tons of money
Saudis blow up Yemenis but have tons of money
It is about time that people in this country realised there is a moral compass that you should have, and it shouldn't be tempted by your football club being able to buy a few more players and of better quality than it used to
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Don’t see the issue with this
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Whatever the morality, I'd be more than a little annoyed if my work tried to ship me off to Moscow.
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Just lol @ your faux intellectualism and strawmanning.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 2:35 pmOr perhaps we learn from hundreds of years of trying to impose our views on the world and realise our “morals” might not be the same as others. Live your own life and let others live there’s. If you want to impose your moral judgement, in the same way that some Christians want to impose their moral judgment on others, crack on and do it yourself
An individual imposing a moral judgement based upon a religious book on someone’s individual actions is vastly different than a country that’s blatantly ignored the UN charter that has been agreed upon by members from all around the world with different cultures and values.
You learn of a regime that’s genociding innocent people in the world - just leave them to it shall we? Cmon man
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Their country their rules? I’ve had enough of our white colonialist exceptionalism. The days of us telling Johnny Foreigner how to run their country are long gone. I don’t give it a seconds thought.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:56 pm
You learn of a regime that’s genociding innocent people in the world - just leave them to it shall we? Cmon man
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You’ve just completely ignored the part regarding UN charter.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:42 pmTheir country their rules? I’ve had enough of our white colonialist exceptionalism. The days of us telling Johnny Foreigner how to run their country are long gone. I don’t give it a seconds thought.
No, it’s not ‘their country, their rules’ that’s not how things work at all and it’s a painstakingly simplistic way to view things.
International diplomacy, charters and law takes a hell of a lot to set up, establish and legitimise.
Regimes that blatantly ignore or said laws/charters need dealing with.
Its easy to pull the neutral card out, different ball game if your Irans/Russias of this world were left to do what they want unchecked.
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You might not but Sanchez himself does.
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It would be interesting to see how Tottenham receive payment, as the majority of Russian companies are under UK sanction.
They could just literally not pay and say it was too difficult.
They could just literally not pay and say it was too difficult.
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History has shown the “UN Charter” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Who’s stopping China or Russia or Saudi or N Korea or Burma or Afghanistan or Syria or Israel or any of those African countries that are in constant crisis? The UN barely functions as an aid charity.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:57 pmYou’ve just completely ignored the part regarding UN charter.
No, it’s not ‘their country, their rules’ that’s not how things work at all and it’s a painstakingly simplistic way to view things.
International diplomacy, charters and law takes a hell of a lot to set up, establish and legitimise.
Regimes that blatantly ignore or said laws/charters need dealing with.
Its easy to pull the neutral card out, different ball game if your Irans/Russias of this world were left to do what they want unchecked.
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It’s nigh on impossible with debating people like you.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:20 pmHistory has shown the “UN Charter” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Who’s stopping China or Russia or Saudi or N Korea or Burma or Afghanistan or Syria or Israel or any of those African countries that are in constant crisis? The UN barely functions as an aid charity.
You make up a world view and just dismiss any credible points against by either completely strawmanning it or just ignoring it
Of course it’s worth the paper it’s written on - why do you think we bothered to sign up to these things in the first place? Again, foreign relations and diplomacy is a very complex issue - anything encouraging cooperation and peace is obviously a step in the right direction.
It’s impossible to gauge how many particular incidents that it’s prevented, but to mention it definitely helped conflict resolution in Bosnia and the Mogadishu crisis… whilst not absolutely perfect like I mentioned before it’s better than nothing.
In effect, your reasoning = ‘it’s not perfect therefore trash’ - newsflash, absolutely nothing on earth is perfect.
I take it you also think NATO is using Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia?
Do you think NATO is a load of crap as well?
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You see the irony in your first sentence, right?CoolClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:56 pmJust lol @ your faux intellectualism and strawmanning.
An individual imposing a moral judgement based upon a religious book on someone’s individual actions is vastly different than a country that’s blatantly ignored the UN charter that has been agreed upon by members from all around the world with different cultures and values.
You learn of a regime that’s genociding innocent people in the world - just leave them to it shall we? Cmon man
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So how do you feel about China and India and the continued international reluctance to challenge their current policies, position, and practices?CoolClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:57 pmYou’ve just completely ignored the part regarding UN charter.
No, it’s not ‘their country, their rules’ that’s not how things work at all and it’s a painstakingly simplistic way to view things.
International diplomacy, charters and law takes a hell of a lot to set up, establish and legitimise.
Regimes that blatantly ignore or said laws/charters need dealing with.
Its easy to pull the neutral card out, different ball game if your Irans/Russias of this world were left to do what they want unchecked.
Of should we just ‘sort out’ (“…painstakingly simplistic way to look at things”) those who directly control resources we want?
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Exactly, the proxy wars being fought in Africa by all developed nations are shockingly underreported.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:20 pmHistory has shown the “UN Charter” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. Who’s stopping China or Russia or Saudi or N Korea or Burma or Afghanistan or Syria or Israel or any of those African countries that are in constant crisis? The UN barely functions as an aid charity.
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I'm sure that possibility hasn't entered Daniel Levy's thought processdougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:03 pmIt would be interesting to see how Tottenham receive payment, as the majority of Russian companies are under UK sanction.
They could just literally not pay and say it was too difficult.
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I didn’t strawman anything.
My premise: international diplomacy isn’t straightforward and requires a hell of a lot to maintain/implement etc etc
That doesn’t mean that it is then ‘not worth the paper that it’s written on’.
Undermining and delegitimising organisations that literally took a ginormous world war to set up so that it was never repeated again is a very dangerous precedent.
Similar how we’d be in an even worse position right now if people like Le Pen and other more fringe groups on the right in Europe got office - undermining NATO etc.
There’s a hell of a lot of bad stuff going on in the world and nothing is perfect - but that doesn’t mean that the answer is international agreements therefore = ****.
What’s the alternative?
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No, you didn’t. Lol @ your faux intellectualism was enough for me.
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It’s pointless trying to debate with people who have such a blinkered view. All you get are insults and exclamations of their intellectual superiority.
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Rich insinuating I have a blinkered view when you wrote the ‘UN charter isn’t worth the paper it’s written on’Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:11 pmIt’s pointless trying to debate with people who have such a blinkered view. All you get are insults and exclamations of their intellectual superiority.
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and then I gave a number of examples to support that premise to which you respond Bosnia! LolCoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:14 pmRich insinuating I have a blinkered view when you wrote the ‘UN charter isn’t worth the paper it’s written on’
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Yes - as it’s a pretty good example of why we need a UN?Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:17 pmand then I gave a number of examples to support that premise to which you respond Bosnia! Lol
Dayton agreement being signed, war crime tribunals for those that committed genocide, humanitarian aid… the list goes on.
Again, I asked why we bothered setting up the UN and organisations like NATO
It’s because it beats the hostile nationalistic crap that we had before hand, which ultimately lead to two world wars and a tremendous loss of life - these things couldn’t be repeated.
Undermining and delegitimising said institutions is a very slippery slope.
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Like the League of Nations? The UN was set up by the white colonial/imperialistic victors of WW2 (and the ROC) to ensure their dominance in world politics, though they were forced to give the ROC seat to the PRC in 1971. The ability of any one of those powers to exercise their veto, on any matter that they want, has highlighted its ineffectiveness when it comes to controlling the behaviour of these countries.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:30 pmYes - as it’s a pretty good example of why we need a UN?
Dayton agreement being signed, war crime tribunals for those that committed genocide, humanitarian aid… the list goes on.
Again, I asked why we bothered setting up the UN and organisations like NATO
It’s because it beats the hostile nationalistic crap that we had before hand, which ultimately lead to two world wars and a tremendous loss of life - these things couldn’t be repeated.
Undermining and delegitimising said institutions is a very slippery slope.
NATO is a defensive treaty and has nothing to do with the UN. Do either the USA or Russia recognise the authority of the UN’s ICC? In fact I don’t think the US is even a member, not part of the Rome Statute, prevents it from investigating Israel or their troops in Afghanistan.
The ICT for the former Yugoslavia was easy to set up as it didn’t involve the superpowers, one rule for the SC and another for the little countries.
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The US doesn’t recognise the authority of the court and I believe they’ve said they’d view it as an act of war if one of their citizens ended up in the dock there
Hence why Bush never got in trouble over Iraq etc
Hence why Bush never got in trouble over Iraq etc
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Can one of you get a new username or please stop arguing with each other as it can get a little confusing when Im trying to skim read the posts
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Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:36 pmLike the League of Nations? The UN was set up by the white colonial/imperialistic victors of WW2 (and the ROC) to ensure their dominance in world politics, though they were forced to give the ROC seat to the PRC in 1971. The ability of any one of those powers to exercise their veto, on any matter that they want, has highlighted its ineffectiveness when it comes to controlling the behaviour of these countries.
NATO is a defensive treaty and has nothing to do with the UN. Do either the USA or Russia recognise the authority of the UN’s ICC? In fact I don’t think the US is even a member, not part of the Rome Statute, prevents it from investigating Israel or their troops in Afghanistan.
The ICT for the former Yugoslavia was easy to set up as it didn’t involve the superpowers, one rule for the SC and another for the little countries.
The thread is totally off topic now and I don’t wish to blabber on too much and go all day/night with this, so this is my last response.
Again, my overriding point is that nothing is perfect and of course the UN has issues and flaws, but are you offering a solution here or just simply pointing out flaws without a solution?…
Because without a UN or any attempts at international diplomacy and an organisation where all members have a fair share, well I personally think leads to a very dangerous world.
I’d say so far it’s done a good job, seen as there hasn’t been another world war, although we have been close on occasion - just like we kind of are now.
Things can be improved and made better, but this is only done with more open communication and collaboration - not tearing the entire thing down.
As for the League of Nations, it completely and utterly failed - failure to appease Hitler, outbreak of WWII etc. That’s why it was disbanded and the UN was set up. Worth noting it was only created to prevent another world war breaking out after seeing the devastation that a world war caused.
I do fear a lot of anti UN/NATO sentiment comes from those that would benefit from a destabilised more insular world and gets parroted over Twitter/Facebook and is very harmful - just like it did around 2015/16 for a pretty important vote…
Your critique highlights some points, but without an actual suggested alternative (when the absence has shown to be a disaster) then I’ll stick with a somewhat flawed but essential international organisation, that still tries to improve and reform and most importantly, maintain peace.
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It’s quite annoying isn’t it, people keep confusing us - i was first to register by a good 6 and a bit years so I think coo should change…Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:44 pmCan one of you get a new username or please stop arguing with each other as it can get a little confusing when Im trying to skim read the posts
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Christ on a bike…CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:18 pmIt’s quite annoying isn’t it, people keep confusing us - i was first to register by a good 6 and a bit years so I think coo should change…
How childish do you sound
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