ARTICLE: Wout Out Again

[RVclaret]

That doesn't really make sense. Whether he was going to play or not he was still our best centre forward, and we've lost him. When Tarks left he was never going to play for us again, but we still lost our best defender.

I’m not sure how we can decipher that he was our ‘best centre forward’. I mean all the evidence at PL level so far pointed to not being up to it. We have a couple of unknowns with Amdouni and Foster, but Kompany must think those two will be better at this level in this team, hence spending nearly £25m+ on them.

[Rileybobs]

If you think he was our best centre forward then I can assure you we don't look at football in the same way. People say he didn't fit a Dyche system, he very definitely wouldn't have fit a Kompany system.

As for Tarkowski, yes we did lose our best defender but we have not lost our best anything with Weghorst going. He just wasn't good enough to play for us at this level.

We probably don't look at football in the same way, which is fine. But if WW wasn't our best centre forward then who is?

[Jakubs Tash]

I assume we can’t be a million miles away from recouping the transfer fee with the loan fees we have received for him over the last 12 months or so?

[Devils_Advocate]

Football wise he's was our best striker at the club although Foster has much more potential and hopefully he will kick on this season. Ultimately it was a very poor signing by Dyche as he was never going to fit into that way of playing and was given a contract clause that went on to create a lot of unnecessary ill feeling with the fans.

With Kompany now in charge Im not so worried about losing players as he seems a lot better at identifying lots of good targets and getting the right replacements in

[Les Lawrence]

Wout is a striker ,who can't score goals in the premier league,and comes across as a bellend.Dont come back.

[Rileybobs]

I’m not sure how we can decipher that he was our ‘best centre forward’. I mean all the evidence at PL level so far pointed to not being up to it. We have a couple of unknowns with Amdouni and Foster, but Kompany must think those two will be better at this level in this team, hence spending nearly £25m+ on them.

None of our centre forwards are proven at PL level, so there's no comparable using that metric. All we have to go off is career statistics across other leagues, and WW comfortably out-performs our other centre forwards in that regard. I can't believe this is even a controversial or debatable point of view.

[ClaretLoup]

None of our centre forwards are proven at PL level, so there's no comparable using that metric. All we have to go off is career statistics across other leagues, and WW comfortably out-performs our other centre forwards in that regard. I can't believe this is even a controversial or debatable point of view.

Statistically Ben Mee was a better striker in the EPL over the last couple of seasons, and that tells you all you need to know about Wout.

[ksrclaret]

Like I say, a lot of hypocrites on here who will jump on posters for daring to be critical of the performances of other players.

We're all critical of players we don't rate and will defend those we do rate. It's normal.

You're critical of Foster on here but will defend players you do rate, presumably.

The abuse is obviously wrong regardless of who the player is.

[ClaretTony]

You've made my point quite nicely thanks. Where was this dummy spitting attitude about not playing in the Championship? This has literally been fabricated in your mind.

Plenty of Burnley players have turned in below par performances and have not received anywhere near the levels of abuse that WW has, so it is fairly simple to deduce that these people are doing so for reasons other than just football ability. Lots of people refer to the spat with Roberts, which was purely of Robert's making, so lets not pretend that this isn't a factor - even if it isn't for you. Him leaving upon relegation is another factor, but plenty of other players did the same last summer yet don't get a mention.

Like I say, a lot of hypocrites on here who will jump on posters for daring to be critical of the performances of other players.

I thought the dummy was spit out at Watford when we won 2-1. I think, by then, the players had just about had enough of him. You cannot risk having a bad apple in the dressing room.

[Rileybobs]

Statistically Ben Mee was a better striker in the EPL over the last couple of seasons, and that tells you all you need to know about Wout.

I presume you're going off goals scored, in which case statistically Ben Mee was a better striker in the EPL than Jay Rod and Foster over the last couple of seasons, so you've not really thought that one through.

[Rileybobs]

I thought the dummy was spit out at Watford when we won 2-1. I think, by then, the players had just about had enough of him. You cannot risk having a bad apple in the dressing room.

If that is the case then I agree completely, but I'm not privy to what any of our players thought about Weghorst, and neither are most of our supporters who have given him abuse who are the ones I'm being critical of.

[RVclaret]

None of our centre forwards are proven at PL level, so there's no comparable using that metric. All we have to go off is career statistics across other leagues, and WW comfortably out-performs our other centre forwards in that regard. I can't believe this is even a controversial or debatable point of view.

I disagree that ‘all we have to go off’ is that, because I’d suggest, like I said, Kompany spending 25m on two new strikers and shipping Wout out suggests he thinks those two are going to be ‘better’ for this team… otherwise he’d just keep him?

[Hibsclaret]

How anyone can defend anyone with that attitude I have no idea. The guy is classless and thinks he is better than he is. He’s just said goodbye to Man U when he left months ago. Ideas above his station. Plays for ten minutes at the World Cup and thinks he’s Maradona. Kompany has seen right through all that and dumped him back to Germany. Well done Vinnie again. We really can’t have bad apples this season.

[Rileybobs]

We're all critical of players we don't rate and will defend those we do rate. It's normal.

You're critical of Foster on here but will defend players you do rate, presumably.

The abuse is obviously wrong regardless of who the player is.

Not really. It's not that I don't rate Foster per se, it's just that I haven't rated his performances since joining Burnley. That's not to say that he won't improve, and if he does I'll be among the first to praise him. Likewise, I will still be critical of players who I rate highly if they perform under-par.

Agree with your last point though that the abuse is wrong, and that along with the hypocrisy is what I'm calling out.

[martin_p]

I presume you're going off goals scored, in which case statistically Ben Mee was a better striker in the EPL than Jay Rod and Foster over the last couple of seasons, so you've not really thought that one through.

Foster has never kicked a ball in the Premier League and no one is suggesting that Jay Rod is now a Premier League level striker.

[Rileybobs]

I disagree that ‘all we have to go off’ is that, because I’d suggest, like I said, Kompany spending 25m on two new strikers and shipping Wout out suggests he thinks those two are going to be ‘better’ for this team… otherwise he’d just keep him?

VK obviously does think that they are going to be better for the team, unless of course he intends to replace Weghorst with another incoming, or unless there is some truth in CT's comments about issues in the dressing room. But that doesn't mean that Weghorst wasn't our best centre-forward as things stood.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Weghorst can be added to the growing list of players over the years who have got better despite not playing much for us!

[Rileybobs]

Foster has never kicked a ball in the Premier League and no one is suggesting that Jay Rod is now a Premier League level striker.

What has this got to do with the post that you've quoted?

[Papabendi]

Looks like we are set for another long thread on Wout Weghorst.

Leave it chaps, he's not worth it.

[martin_p]

There isn’t a single Premier League manager that currently wants Weghorst and he’s actually worked for three of them. I think that’s the judgement to look at and trust.

[quoonbeatz]

Man is a bell. Good that he's gone.

[JohnMcGreal]

He was a panic buy. Nothing more than that. A mistake that we're still living with.

Another season long loan is probably the best we could hope for.

[Paul Waine]

Tot ziens, Wout Weghorst. Have a good season in Germany.

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[claretcarrot93]

Has anybody answered the question of who is Burnleys best striker on the books then?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Has anybody answered the question of who is Burnleys best striker on the books then?

Craig Bellamy

[clarethomer]

Hope he has a good season back in Germany to the point where we can actually sell him and draw a sorry line under his time with us.

Given no one seems to want to buy him and that VK clearly doesn't see him as part of the squad this season - I am pleased this has been concluded before the start of the season.

Whether he has been misunderstood, or whatever other tripe that has been rolled out about his time with us so far, lets hope that him no longer being here this season puts to rest the debate on here.

At least its one less circus for the club to worry about.

Wonder what Alan and VK can do about those idiots who disagree with the meaning of why players are taking the knee? Wonder if all of the good stuff happening at the club can be enough for them just to remain silent if they don't agree?

[bf2k]

You've made my point quite nicely thanks. Where was this dummy spitting attitude about not playing in the Championship? This has literally been fabricated in your mind.

I really haven't. I'm with the vast majority on this. He went about wanting to leave Burnley last summer in all the wrong way, i.e. publicly.

Plenty of Burnley players have turned in below par performances and have not received anywhere near the levels of abuse that WW has, so it is fairly simple to deduce that these people are doing so for reasons other than just football ability.

Him leaving upon relegation is another factor, but plenty of other players did the same last summer yet don't get a mention.

I don't recall other players publicly stating they didn't want to play for Burnley

So no hypocrisy here and from the vast majority of other posters on here.

[ClaretLoup]

I presume you're going off goals scored, in which case statistically Ben Mee was a better striker in the EPL than Jay Rod and Foster over the last couple of seasons, so you've not really thought that one through.

Do you reckon Kompany & Bellamy have "not really thought that one through" as well?

[Acting Claret]

He really should have gone out on loan until the World Cup was over and then returned. That should have been the agreement. But he got the chance to go to Man Utd. So that’s two clubs in a row he didn’t want to play for. The Utd move should have been a sale not a loan. He’s been a waste of money for us.

[claretabroad]

So much ire directed at him based on conjecture.

It's clear that a significant portion of the fan base simply hate him. I believe this is unjustified but sadly there is no way back from that. If we can't sell him then a loan move is probably for the best. Let's hope he succeeds in Germany so that we can recoup some of the financial investment.

[Rileybobs]

Do you reckon Kompany & Bellamy have "not really thought that one through" as well?

I'm sure they have. What's your point? Why can't people argue against the points raised instead of creating strawmen?

You challenged my suggestion that WW was our best centre forward by claiming that Ben Mee is statistically a better striker than WW based on the last couple of years in the PL. I responded by pointing out that he's also scored more goals than both Jay and Foster so you don't really have a point.

[claretcarrot93]

Craig Bellamy

Probably is

[It Is What It Is]

I will always support any Claret who puts on the shirt. But now he’s gone, he can feck right off!

He's like a boomerang tho...he just keeps coming back !
Hope we aren't losing any money on him tho. Don't really understand the financials re loan players ..do they just pay his wages?

[ClaretTricks]

After his attitude during and after the game at watford, I wont lose any sleep.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

He's like a boomerang tho...he just keeps coming back !
Hope we aren't losing any money on him tho. Don't really understand the financials re loan players ..do they just pay his wages?

When we had Nugent on loan from Portsmouth, we paid a loan fee that was pretty much what his wages were at Portsmouth

Loan clubs tend to cover either all or a % of the players wages and that's about it

[Big Vinny K]

Was never going to play under VK.
He might score in Germany - hopefully he does and we get something for him.
No chance of him playing in EPL again - he had a lot of minutes and chances last year and was abysmal in front of goal for a side that made more chances for their strikers than most teams would.

My impression of him as a person is that he has an inflated opinion of his ability. Sometimes that can be a good thing in terms of being confident but if you don’t back it up then easy to see why you can get pelters too when you put yourself out there like he does.
Before anyone asks for my evidence of this nope I don’t have anything concrete !!

[Devils_Advocate]

He's like a boomerang tho...he just keeps coming back !
Hope we aren't losing any money on him tho. Don't really understand the financials re loan players ..do they just pay his wages?

I know someone who has a directors box at Hoffenheim and he has told me that due to Weghorst being such a nasty man and a bad egg that Burnley agreed to pay his wages and also pay Hoffenheim a fee of £500k to take him on for the season.

If he fails to score more than five goals and upsets more than three team mates then there is a clause that Burnley have to pay Hoffenhiem £1.5m to take him on for the rest of his contract

[martin_p]

I know someone who has a directors box at Hoffenheim and he has told me that due to Weghorst being such a nasty man and a bad egg that Burnley agreed to pay his wages and also pay Hoffenheim a fee of £500k to take him on for the season.

If he fails to score more than five goals and upsets more than three team mates then there is a clause that Burnley have to pay Hoffenhiem £1.5m to take him on for the rest of his contract

Seems like a sensible precaution.

[aclaretinstevenage]

Was never going to play under VK.
He might score in Germany - hopefully he does and we get something for him.
No chance of him playing in EPL again - he had a lot of minutes and chances last year and was abysmal in front of goal for a side that made more chances for their strikers than most teams would.

My impression of him as a person is that he has an inflated opinion of his ability. Sometimes that can be a good thing in terms of being confident but if you don’t back it up then easy to see why you can get pelters too when you put yourself out there like he does.
Before anyone asks for my evidence of this nope I don’t have anything concrete !!

You don't need evidence. You watch what happens during games and form an opinion based on that, and an opinion is just that (for what it's worth I agree with your opinion). There is no need to try and get everyone else to agree with an opinion unlike some posters on here actually seem intent on!

[Tribesmen]

Look to be honest if you come onto the field and get booed by your own fans it says something .

WW wasn't up to it simple really and glad he is gone for now anyway .

[TommyPicks]

This notion that VK wouldn’t have played him this season seems a bit of a stretch. Let’s say Foster and Jay got injured what would we do then? Just refuse to play him?

Also I haven’t followed pre season all that closely but hasn’t WW been given a decent amount of minutes? If VK has ‘sussed’ him out as a bad apple why give him any play time at all? I’m not defending Wout, and think the loan is a good move for all parties, especially after that ridiculous goodbye video he did yesterday. I just think this narrative on VK refusing to play him is a reach.

[martin_p]

This notion that VK wouldn’t have played him this season seems a bit of a stretch. Let’s say Foster and Jay got injured what would we do then? Just refuse to play him?

Also I haven’t followed pre season all that closely but hasn’t WW been given a decent amount of minutes? If VK has ‘sussed’ him out as a bad apple why give him any play time at all? I’m not defending Wout, and think the loan is a good move for all parties, especially after that ridiculous goodbye video he did yesterday. I just think this narrative on VK refusing to play him is a reach.

Guess that depends on whether he’d have made the 25 man squad, we couldn’t play him then. Think he’s had about 50-60 minutes in pre-season.

[NickBFC]

Glad to get rid (again). Just a shame we can't sell him, but maybe some of the loan fees have gone some way to covering his transfer fee. Looks from the outside as a career in decline (really that much of an ego, or bad agent advice?) and a player seemingly willing to go anywhere if means he doesn't have to stay at Burnley. For me that's a bad sign and maybe why nobody wants to take a punt on a permanent deal. Be interesting if he can find the net again in Germany...

[mikeS]

I don't think he will be missed.

[No Ney Never]

Weghorst has not alienated himself from the fans simply because he didn't score enough. Jutkiewicz also struggled to score, yet the Juke left with the very best wishes of the supporters. Such a contrast between their relationship with the club and support.

[claretcarrot93]

Look to be honest if you come onto the field and get booed by your own fans it says something .

WW wasn't up to it simple really and glad he is gone for now anyway .

It says that them fans are numpties

[Pickles]

Good player but wasn't a good player for us (or much for Man United)

Massive ego, seemed a bit odd.

We need a striker. But we needed one whether he was here or not.

[ecc]

Have we not signed a Swiss striker?

[bfcjg]

Terrible buy, don't know who's idea it was but obviously his character and temperament weren't looked into.
File under Gibson.

[RVclaret]

Have we not signed a Swiss striker?

Yes. No idea why some aren’t considering him.