Muric or Trafford

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by helmclaret » Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:52 am

Has to be Muric.

Sets the tone for how we play, knows how we play and has done absolutely nothing to be even considered to be dropped.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Jambounchained » Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:00 am

Muric 100%

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by fatboy47 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:25 am

I'm no goalkeeping authority, but It certainly looks like Muric has had a clear edge in pre-season.

Is it beyond the bounds of credibility that Muric may currently be in the shop window? The lad from Orient (?) looks a bit too useful to be just making the tea.
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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by xxmunkyennuixx » Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:09 am

Muric - deserves his chance and looks to be the better keeper currently.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:35 pm

My Intel says Trafford starts

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Nori1958 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:36 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:35 pm
My Intel says Trafford starts
So does my head... Everything points to it

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by jlup1980 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:47 pm

Muric.

He looked the better of the two in pre-season. Trafford has time on his side and needs to get to grips with how VK will want him to operate. He doesn't need to be rushed into the first team. Muric was shaky at the start of last season but was superb after the World Cup which shows it takes time to bed in. There's certainly no need to panic if Trafford doesn't start.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by MG70 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 12:54 pm

It has to be Muric. Last season apart from the odd error, (which every keeper has, no matter how good they are) he was immense. Even in pre season, he’s looked good.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:01 pm

I honestly don’t think there’s many keepers in World Football that have the ability with the ball that Muric does.

It’s up there in Allison/Ederson levels for me - from watching Traffords highlights and views from Bolton fans as well as his performances in our preseason he looks a good way off Muric’s footballing ability (which is pivotal to how we play) but does look to be a promising shot stopper.

Bolton fans have made comment that he’s a bit unsure with the high ball and we all know how much Burnley fans get on keepers that flap at it - he even did this in his pre season outing against Genk.

Far too early for me to start a youngster at goalkeeper, it’s absolutely Muric’s shirt to lose.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:01 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:57 pm
Lmao
:lol: neither does Kompany

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Belgianclaret » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:23 pm

Big shout by Vince, I'd honestly expected Muric

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:52 pm

I’m stunned. Got the back 4 and MF correct but I doubt many got the two wide outs.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:56 am

Thought Trafford wasn't too bad last night, and obviously early days for the lad but i don't see him being a commanding presence in the 6 yard box that Muric often was last term. Thought Muric was really good towards the end of the season.

Trafford looks pretty good as well though, so it's a nice problem to have.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:21 am

Trafford did OK last night, but I’m still fairly flabbergasted that VK went with him in the first place.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:15 am

Threw him in at the deep end to see if he'd sink or swim, probably the thinking behind it.

Bit of a free hit against City, as mentioned on here.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by bobinho » Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:22 am

I was concerned to be honest. Thought the last thing a young lad would need was having to deal with the fall out from shipping 5/6 on his PL debut.

Needn’t have worried, thought he did well overall.

And besides, I’m sure VK knows exactly what he’s doing.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by burnleymik » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:07 am

I think it's time to try Muric and see how it goes. Trafford had a number of close calls again last night and he just isn't quick enough with his feet for me. Absolutely a top shot stopper, but it's time to try something different because we are well into the season now and are struggling, especially at set pieces and I know Muric had serious weaknesses in coming for catches towards the start of last season, but he definitely got better and better and his height and reach absolutely HAS to give him some presence.

Just give it a go because as it stands we need to look for ways to win. Swallow your pride VK and give him a go for a few games, let's see how he gets on.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:17 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:01 pm
I honestly don’t think there’s many keepers in World Football that have the ability with the ball that Muric does.

It’s up there in Allison/Ederson levels for me - from watching Traffords highlights and views from Bolton fans as well as his performances in our preseason he looks a good way off Muric’s footballing ability (which is pivotal to how we play) but does look to be a promising shot stopper.

Bolton fans have made comment that he’s a bit unsure with the high ball and we all know how much Burnley fans get on keepers that flap at it - he even did this in his pre season outing against Genk.

Far too early for me to start a youngster at goalkeeper, it’s absolutely Muric’s shirt to lose.
Obvious wasn't it?

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Pearcey » Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:57 am

Muric if only to give Trafford a break. Watching Trafford flap at every cross is becoming miserable. Muric wasn’t much better when he started but improved massively in the second half of the season.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:02 am

Typical of him yesterday a great save followed up by a pathetic attempt from the resulting corner. If only goalkeepers could jump and have the added advantage of being able to use their hands in the penalty box.

He’s like a modern day Chris Pearce or Mark Kendall.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by MACCA » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:04 am

I'd like to go with the better gk, yes that's my opinion, play the better players

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by ClaretOfMancunia » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:26 am

Trafford nearly let in a third yesterday with a careless attempt at a kick resulting in him slipping. No idea why we're not giving Muric or even Vigoroux a chance.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by wbfc » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:29 am

Neither new keeper ....Trafford number 2 ...Muric sold

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:22 pm

Trafford in the reserves.

Personally I would like to see Tom Heaton back at Burnley at 37 he is capable and still seems to be doing well.

"On 10 January 2023, Heaton started his first match for United in the EFL Cup game against Charlton Athletic, keeping a clean sheet in a 3–0 victory to help United qualify for the semi-finals.[66] On 1 February 2023, he started in the second leg of the semi-final against Nottingham Forest, keeping another clean sheet as his team won 2–0 on the night (5–0 on aggregate) to reach the final."

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Shaggy » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:30 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:01 pm
I honestly don’t think there’s many keepers in World Football that have the ability with the ball that Muric does.

It’s up there in Allison/Ederson levels for me - from watching Traffords highlights and views from Bolton fans as well as his performances in our preseason he looks a good way off Muric’s footballing ability (which is pivotal to how we play) but does look to be a promising shot stopper.

Bolton fans have made comment that he’s a bit unsure with the high ball and we all know how much Burnley fans get on keepers that flap at it - he even did this in his pre season outing against Genk.

Far too early for me to start a youngster at goalkeeper, it’s absolutely Muric’s shirt to lose.
Credit where credit is due. You have called this bang on.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:07 pm

Been saying it for a few weeks, but he has to swallow his pride now. He’s backed the wrong horse. I don’t think he will though.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by IanMcL » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:31 pm

Has to be Muric just to change the dynamic. Both keepers are wuss's in front of their goal but it is all about mindset nothing else.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:35 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:31 pm
Has to be Muric just to change the dynamic. Both keepers are wuss's in front of their goal but it is all about mindset nothing else.
What's up with Tom then as he was outstanding for us for years wasn't he and as said still playing well at 37.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Corway » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:39 pm

Reminds me of the Hart Heaton debate and how things changed after Heaton came back and started bossing the defence..
Trafford isn’t up to PL standard - I hope he is soon or we’ve blown an arm and a couple of legs on him that we won’t get back.
His passing is often scary and reckless, he isn’t rotected at corners and flaps too much.
I found Muric scary too, but we need a few changes soon!!

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by taio » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:39 pm

South West Claret. wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:35 pm
What's up with Tom then as he was outstanding for us for years wasn't he and as said still playing well at 37.
He's only played a small handful of games in three and a half seasons

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:39 pm
He's only played a small handful of games in three and a half seasons
Yes but it's still much be better then the present goalkeeper doubts I would say.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by taio » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:50 pm

South West Claret. wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 pm
Yes but it's still much be better then the present goalkeeper doubts I would say.
I was curious at your comment that he's still playing well. How do you know he's still much better than what we already have?

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:00 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:50 pm
I was curious at your comment that he's still playing well. How do you know he's still much better than what we already have?
It's just an opinion based on the above.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Westleigh » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:36 pm

Just need a journalist with a pair of ******** to ask VK if he thinks JT needs a rest ,( polite way of asking him to be dropped)

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by JohnDearyMe » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:45 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:07 pm
Been saying it for a few weeks, but he has to swallow his pride now. He’s backed the wrong horse. I don’t think he will though.
Must be harder for managers to drop keepers at a guess. We saw how reluctant Dyche was to drop Hart when it was clearly long overdue to most outside observers

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:47 pm

Some managers just seem to show blind faith in players.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:54 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:47 pm
Some managers just seem to show blind faith in players.

The manager sees all 3 squad goalkeepers every week in training, my guess is that he knows who is the best of the 3.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:54 pm
The manager sees all 3 squad goalkeepers every week in training, my guess is that he knows who is the best of the 3.

Zzzzz

Complete non argument
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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Carlos the Great » Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm

So while Trafford is learning … Burnley get relegated ? Shareholders lose millions in tv money .. but don’t worry Yrafford is getting lots of experience .. I’ve never heard of any job this is possible where you can learn as you go along :. Good job he not a pilot

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:11 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm
Zzzzz

Complete non argument


Yep, you are right, he's picking Trafford because he's the worst of the 3.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Westleigh » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:19 pm

Carlos the Great wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm
So while Trafford is learning … Burnley get relegated ? Shareholders lose millions in tv money .. but don’t worry Yrafford is getting lots of experience .. I’ve never heard of any job this is possible where you can learn as you go along :. Good job he not a pilot
Good post.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:26 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:11 pm
Yep, you are right, he's picking Trafford because he's the worst of the 3.
No idea how good the 3rd choice keeper is, but I'd guess the bigger percentage of fans prefer Muric to Trafford....or at least to give him the chance to regain the shirt.....no good being a world beater in training if you can't do it when it counts !

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by aggi » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:28 pm

Carlos the Great wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:57 pm
So while Trafford is learning … Burnley get relegated ? Shareholders lose millions in tv money .. but don’t worry Yrafford is getting lots of experience .. I’ve never heard of any job this is possible where you can learn as you go along :. Good job he not a pilot
Isn't this how pretty much every job works?

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:35 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:26 pm
No idea how good the 3rd choice keeper is, but I'd guess the bigger percentage of fans prefer Muric to Trafford....or at least to give him the chance to regain the shirt.....no good being a world beater in training if you can't do it when it counts !
I agree that it should have been Muric's shirt to lose.
We can only guess why he didn't start the season as No1 choice.
But nobody can honestly be sure that Muric would do better than Trafford has done.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by Aclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:35 pm
I agree that it should have been Muric's shirt to lose.
We can only guess why he didn't start the season as No1 choice.
But nobody can honestly be sure that Muric would do better than Trafford has done.
.....and I guess we'll never know.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by CoolClaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:42 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:35 pm
I agree that it should have been Muric's shirt to lose.
We can only guess why he didn't start the season as No1 choice.
But nobody can honestly be sure that Muric would do better than Trafford has done.
I can whole heartedly say that he would have done better.

As the entire team would've done if we kept some continuity with smaller changes.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:43 pm

Tom Heaton back at Burnley, glad that’s been sorted then 😅
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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:57 pm

Aclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 17, 2023 6:41 pm
.....and I guess we'll never know.
Probably not.

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by gsyclaret » Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:55 pm

Probably get slated for this but, Murich, Vithino/Roberts, Ekdal, Al Dahkil, Taylor, with Beyer just in front of the defence, the rest of the team perm any 5 from 12

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Re: Muric or Trafford

Post by alf_resco » Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:32 pm

Muric by a country mile.
Trafford MAY one day be a proper Prem keeper but right now? He's not up to the job.

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