Spanish Football Chief : Should He Resign?

[Swizzlestick]

She probably stayed smiling so as to not to cause a scene at a huge moment in her life and probably due to shock at what just happened. She said it was ‘not ok’ literally on the pitch in an Instagram live minutes later. It was creepy behaviour, and clearly something of a pattern for this guy - hardly seems like a spur of the moment thing. His subsequent defiance speaks volumes. Should’ve been fired while walking off the pitch.

[Tricky Trevor]

In this age YES. Not sexual at all and he made it last longer than necessary but still a no-no today.

[ksrclaret]

It's not just this, is it. The misogyny on here is rampant - it's like they've never had daughters, sisters, nieces, female cousins or indeed wives, mothers or grandmothers. One thing though, it's not a good look. In fact, it's deeply creepy.

This hits the nail.

Place is crawling with creeps.

[BurnleyFC]

It looked relatively harmless at the time, but the way it’s blown up since means he probably has previous for this and then some.

There’s not many pros male or female defending him for starters.

[kentonclaret]

She probably stayed smiling so as to not to cause a scene at a huge moment in her life and probably due to shock at what just happened. She said it was ‘not ok’ literally on the pitch in an Instagram live minutes later. It was creepy behaviour, and clearly something of a pattern for this guy - hardly seems like a spur of the moment thing. His subsequent defiance speaks volumes. Should’ve been fired while walking off the pitch.

A later statement issued on her behalf defended his actions but good to know that you have all of the facts about this incident at your disposal before making judgment.
The fact tat you say “she probably “ suggests to me however that you don’t.

[bfcjg]

He should resign or be sacked, would he have done that to a male footballer. He was lucky she didn't punch him in the nuts. Sadly the story is now about him and not the amazing achievement of the team.

[Swizzlestick]

A later statement issued on her behalf defended his actions but good to know that you have all of the facts about this incident at your disposal before making judgment.
The fact tat you say “she probably “ suggests to me however that you don’t.

I’ll go by this statement, thanks https://amp.theguardian.com/football/20 ... nt-in-full

Direct quote - “The situation left me in shock because of the context of the celebration, and with the time passed, and those initial feelings being able to sink, I feel the need to denounce this as I feel that no one, in no work space, sporting or social, should be a victim to this time of unconsensual behaviour.”

Creep.

[Billy Balfour]

Some of you creeps on here are now getting into the repugnant 'she didn't fight back' territory.

[daveisaclaret]

Misogyny? On UpTheClarets? I can hardly believe it.

[arise_sir_charge]

I’ve not really followed the women’s World Cup in any detail nor seen this incident until this thread, but wasn’t where reference to a load of infighting and the Spanish camp even prior to the final? Seems that this is one on a multitude of issues.

In isolation, it seems to me that it’s the classic case of if she thinks it ok then it’s ok and the rest of us should respect that, if however she doesn’t think it’s ok, which appears to be be case, then that should equally be respected and appropriate action taken.

[BFC12345678]

I've not seen this. Is she pretty?

Good one you absolute creep

[Big Vinny K]

In isolation, it seems to me that it’s the classic case of if she thinks it ok then it’s ok and the rest of us should respect that, if however she doesn’t think it’s ok, which appears to be be case, then that should equally be respected and appropriate action taken.

You need to reign it in with this talking common sense nonsense.
This message board has a reputation to maintain

[Nori1958]

Some of you creeps on here are now getting into the repugnant 'she didn't fight back' territory.

Have a look at these newly released photos of the highy offended player

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-08-26/spa ... 93040054-1

[BFC12345678]

I saw a replay of the incident in question......people get carried away... there was nothing creepy or sexual about it IMO.
I thought he'd refused to resign?

So if a man did that to your wife/daughter/sister you’d be fine with it? Weirdo!

[BFC12345678]

No,he should stand and fight his ground for as long as he can..The poor chap,being hounded by a bunch of female witches..Reminds me of the Pendle witch trials.. He will be removed from his post no doubt to pacify them..
FFS , he gave her a peck on the cheeks and lip,he didn't touch her up or attack her. She's worse than him for stirring it.!

Another creep!

[AfloatinClaret]

A later statement issued on her behalf defended his actions but good to know that you have all of the facts about this incident at your disposal before making judgment.
The fact tat you say “she probably “ suggests to me however that you don’t.

I for one read 'issued on her behalf' as having little/any more validity than 'she probably'. The fact that the whole of the Spanish WWC squad have now said they won't play for Spain again until he's gone suggests they're not, defending' his actions

[Big Vinny K]

Have a look at these newly released photos of the highy offended player

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-08-26/spa ... 93040054-1

What point are you trying to make ?
That link you sent just confirms what the player has already said.

[turbo5]

Lots of name calling on here calling other posters creeps because they have a different view point. It doesn't make them creeps ! and its offensive calling them that.
In todays society you wouldn't even dream of doing something like that. (I certainly wouldn't) I still witness people referring to women as darling or sweetheart, I cringe but know the person saying it doesn't mean it in the wrong context it's how they have been brought, habit custom etc (usually find its older people) in their world they are trying to be nice and endearing to the lady.
I also see my French colleagues ''faire la Bise'' (French greeting of kissing on each others cheeks ) what next is that going to make them creeps.
It was wrong what he did, but genuinely think it was meant in celebration not for other reasons.

[agreenwood]

If I kissed an employee at work following their success or grabbed my dick to celebrate something, I’d rightly be facing disciplinary action.

The come back to that will be something along the lines of football being different or it being in the heat of the moment, but this is the President of the Spanish FA, not the winger running to embrace the striker he/she has just laid on a last minute winner for. Lots of things were seen as acceptable or as going with the territory in lots of industries, that clearly aren’t acceptable now. There’s no reason why football should get a special dispensation.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter how many people think it was a bit of harmless fun thankfully. He’ll be potted soon enough.

[agreenwood]

Lots of name calling on here calling other posters creeps because they have a different view point. It doesn't make them creeps ! and its offensive calling them that.
In todays society you wouldn't even dream of doing something like that. (I certainly wouldn't) I still witness people referring to women as darling or sweetheart, I cringe but know the person saying it doesn't mean it in the wrong context it's how they have been brought, habit custom etc (usually find its older people) in their world they are trying to be nice and endearing to the lady.
I also see my French colleagues ''faire la Bise'' (French greeting of kissing on each others cheeks ) what next is that going to make them creeps.
It was wrong what he did, but genuinely think it was meant in celebration not for other reasons.

Yes, but i suspect those people you cringe at aren’t at the very top of a hugely high profile organisation.

[Nori1958]

What point are you trying to make ?
That link you sent just confirms what the player has already said.

Did you actually look at what she did?
Both parties were carried away in the moment of winning the world Cup.. both probably did things they wouldn't normally do in every day life, it all needs taking in context

[Big Vinny K]

Did you actually look at what she did?
Both parties were carried away in the moment of winning the world Cup.. both probably did things they wouldn't normally do in every day life, it all needs taking in context

Yep I read it and read what the Spanish FA were trying to say to justify it.
Then I read what the player said to clarify and confirm for the avoidance of any doubt that she did not consent to being kissed.

So again i’m struggling to see the point you’re trying to make…..is it that because she may have done one thing then it’s fine for him to have kissed her on the lips ? Because that is verging on the “she was asking for it dressed like that” type argument.

[DCWat]

Lots of name calling on here calling other posters creeps because they have a different view point. It doesn't make them creeps ! and its offensive calling them that.

This. Commonplace on here. Devalues any point that they are trying to make, not that there was much in the way of reasoned debate in the post that you referenced, just name calling.

[Nori1958]

Yep I read it and read what the Spanish FA were trying to say to justify it.
Then I read what the player said to clarify and confirm for the avoidance of any doubt that she did not consent to being kissed.

So again i’m struggling to see the point you’re trying to make…..is it that because she may have done one thing then it’s fine for him to have kissed her on the lips ? Because that is verging on the “she was asking for it dressed like that” type argument.

Nowhere near that.

[Enola Gay]

No. He should have been sacked, and I hope he will be.

Well, this. 100% this.

Not surprising to see some on here attempt to excuse it, mind.

[Firthy]

This post, however

This post however

[ksrclaret]

This. Commonplace on here. Devalues any point that they are trying to make, not that there was much in the way of reasoned debate in the post that you referenced, just name calling.

I'm surprised there should be a debate on whether it is ok to kiss someone on the lips without their consent.

[daveisaclaret]

This. Commonplace on here. Devalues any point that they are trying to make, not that there was much in the way of reasoned debate in the post that you referenced, just name calling.

This is such an awful take. It doesn't devalue a point to call creepy sexist arseholes creepy. There is no need to be nice to dickheads.

[Hipper]

If I kissed an employee at work following their success or grabbed my dick to celebrate something, I’d rightly be facing disciplinary action.

Yes, and, unless you had done other things wrong in the past, you'd likely be warned as to your future conduct and keep your job.

This incident is not about an ordinary worker. Here we have the leader of Spanish football, captured doing this deed for the world to see. It is therefore more then just what he did but reputational damage to Spanish football, even Spain itself. I would guess also that his rivals and his past actions may well be a factor for people gunning for him.

Recall that Glen Hoddle was sacked as England manager because of his odd views. If one of his players had such thoughts he probably would not have been dropped/sacked.

[Big Vinny K]

Nowhere near that.

Are you not saying (and actually providing links to try to justify your view) that because of something that the player did it was ok for the head of the FA to kiss her on the lips ?

[Cooclaret]

The misogyny and sheer dislike of women from some posters is quite eye-opening. It’s not their fault you are a smelly, unattractive man with a crap personality, they don’t owe you their affection.

Once again highlights that there’s a real age gap (=outdated views) with posters on this board.

It’s awful to read some of the things written on here as a father who has a daughter.

[daveisaclaret]

Once again highlights that there’s a real age gap (=outdated views) with posters on this board.

It’s awful to read some of the things written on here as a father who has a daughter.

This is really unfair, while it is true that some of the biggest idiots have a date in the 1950s in their username, just start a thread on Andrew Tate and the ones defending him will be young lads.

[Clarets4me]

The Guy had one job on the day of the final, you sit in the stand and make polite conversation with those around you without frequently adjusting your " gentleman's area " ! When you have won, you commiserate with your opponents, and stand back to let the cameras show your Nation's Queen, beaming her delighted smile around the world.

At the presentation, you shake each of the players by the hand and say " Well done, we are so proud of you ! ", and step back into the shadows to allow the attention to be on the players. If asked questions, you reply, " I am so proud of the players. I've nothing else to say, please focus on our wonderful players, who've worked so hard for this moment " and slip away ...

He failed on all accounts, he sought to make it about him, behaved totally inappropriately and should go ...

[Big Vinny K]

Once again highlights that there’s a real age gap (=outdated views) with posters on this board.

It’s awful to read some of the things written on here as a father who has a daughter.

Why do you think age has got anything to do with it ?
Where do you get that from ?

[Cooclaret]

This is really unfair, while it is true that some of the biggest idiots have a date in the 1950s in their username, just start a thread on Andrew Tate and the ones defending him will be young lads.

An Andrew Tate thread wouldn’t be allowed to make it out of the first page…


This has…

[Nori1958]

Are you not saying (and actually providing links to try to justify your view) that because of something that the player did it was ok for the head of the FA to kiss her on the lips ?

I've explained what it shows.

[Big Vinny K]

An Andrew Tate thread wouldn’t be allowed to make it out of the first page…


This has…

The Andrew Tate thread made it to several pages….unfortunately

[daveisaclaret]

An Andrew Tate thread wouldn’t be allowed to make it out of the first page…


This has…

Every Andrew Tate thread we have makes it out of the first page with weird young lads defending him.

[ksrclaret]

This post however

Yep, that's exactly what I said when I saw his post. Smelly and creepy wasn't it.

[Big Vinny K]

I've explained what it shows.

Explain it again to us thickos as what you think it showed.

[Cooclaret]

Why do you think age has got anything to do with it ?
Where do you get that from ?

I think that the majority of the posters arguing that it’s okay, that the little lady brought it on herself, that it’s just a heat of the moment thing are from the older generation…

We’d have to have an honest poll to ascertain that one way of the other mind…

Frankly, regardless of age, this thread shouldn’t be live and some posters should’ve had some time to cool off…

[agreenwood]

Yes, and, unless you had done other things wrong in the past, you'd likely be warned as to your future conduct and keep your job.

This incident is not about an ordinary worker. Here we have the leader of Spanish football, captured doing this deed for the world to see. It is therefore more then just what he did but reputational damage to Spanish football, even Spain itself. I would guess also that his rivals and his past actions may well be a factor for people gunning for him.

Recall that Glen Hoddle was sacked as England manager because of his odd views. If one of his players had such thoughts he probably would not have been dropped/sacked.

Which is pretty much the point I thought I went on to make.

[Greenmile]

Should a man resign from his high-profile, public-facing job for sexually assaulting his younger employee in front of the world’s cameras?

The fact that there is even a discussion about this is a sad indictment on society (and this messageboard)

[Cooclaret]

Every Andrew Tate thread we have makes it out of the first page with weird young lads defending him.

You’re right, I missed that whole thread.

Both should just be shut down…

[Nori1958]

Explain it again to us thickos as what you think it showed.

You actually replied to the post, but here we go, I'll copy it for you

Both parties were carried away in the moment of winning the world Cup.. both probably did things they wouldn't normally do in every day life, it all needs taking in context

[Big Vinny K]

I think that the majority of the posters arguing that it’s okay, that the little lady brought it on herself, that it’s just a heat of the moment thing are from the older generation…

We’d have to have an honest poll to ascertain that one way of the other mind…

Frankly, regardless of age, this thread shouldn’t be live and some posters should’ve had some time to cool off…

From what I know of the board most of the people who are saying that this should not even be a debate are not of the younger generation (I’m trying to word this politely !!)

[Sheedyclaret]

Think he has to go due to his bizarre behaviour but I’ve just seen a female racehorse owner kiss a male jockey on the lips after winning a race wonder if this will attract the same media uproar?

[Holmeclaret]

It’s irrelevant whether it was done in good faith or otherwise. If there’s a possibility that the woman was going to feel offended, uncomfortable or violated, he should not have done it. The risk is obvious and in his arrogance, the man didn’t care.

[Cooclaret]

From what I know of the board most of the people who are saying that this should not even be a debate are not of the younger generation (I’m trying to word this politely !!)

It seems the Spanish FA are doubling down and opening legal action against now…

[SirBob]

You can’t go around kissing women in the work place, sexual or non sexual it’s totally inappropriate. Those arguing that she was smiling before and after the kiss are delusional, she’s on television being broadcast around the world, do you expect her to start windmilling on live television?

We hit record sales in work last month I didn’t go around planting one on the lips of girls I worked with, I’d get the sack and rightly so.

He could have kissed her on the cheek? On the forehead? On the lips is creepy as fuk, he shouldn’t be working with women.