“This is the worst we will be all season”

[StayingDown4Ever]

So then, following Vincent’s comments on the City game being the worst that the team will be all season - was he correct or does he look a bit of a fool in that we were even worse in the very next game?

[northeastclaret]

Get back to the stables , they need mucking out

[pureclaret]

lost to city 3-0 lost to Villa 3-1 we are getting better

[claptrappers_union]

I'm looking forward to seeing the back of these glory hunters

[StayingDown4Ever]

I'm looking forward to seeing the back of these glory hunters

I think quite a lot of them have season tickets so will be at least a year until they are gone.

[TheFamilyCat]

That pony Foster though, a 1 in 2 PL striker.

[Tasty Corn]

I'm looking forward to seeing the back of these glory hunters

But then that means no more glory, I feel conflicted.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Is each league game getting worse than the last?

[Pickles]

Is each league game getting worse than the last?

So far, absolutely. Been really surprised at how poor we've been. Fitness levels seem way off.

[warksclaret]

Hopefully the cynics will soon stop taking tickets allowing some of us to buy them again

[StayingDown4Ever]

So far, absolutely. Been really surprised at how poor we've been. Fitness levels seem way off.

It’s quite alarming isn’t it?

The good news is that surely it can’t get much worse than yesterday.

[AGENT_CLARET]

I genuinely think we will kick on from January and just about do enough to stay up

[Elizabeth]

That pony Foster though, a 1 in 2 PL striker.

Now a 2 in 3 PL striker !

[Rowls]

It's the kind of thing Brian Clough would say as a manager.

It might not turn out to be true but it speaks of his desire to put things right and to improve and win.

When we first brought Kompany in I was concerned he'd be a Southgate style manager wedded to needless passing and soft to the core. Last season showed how wrong I was.

There will be a lot more mistakes this season. We're bedding in new players who are learning the system and we're also playing against much higher standard of opposition. We might get thumped a couple of times against the best sides but I'm still very confident we'll be fine.

It's time for us fans to hold the line, show confidence in the management and players and to continue backing them to the hilt.

Cricket field was great yesterday in their continued support.

[warksclaret]

There are things there to build on, plus Tresor and Zarroury to come back. Work to be done in the two week break, particularly with our defenders, and as long as we keep seeing progress I remain positive

[Casper2]

So far, absolutely. Been really surprised at how poor we've been. Fitness levels seem way off.

It’s not fitness it’s physicality , that’s the worry , you can get fitter but you can’t change your physicality

[alwaysaclaret]

So far, absolutely. Been really surprised at how poor we've been. Fitness levels seem way off.

Fitness levels are being shown up because player's are being played out of position and are having to work twice as hard as they need to, get player's back in position's their best at, thing's will improve.

[alwaysaclaret]

It's the kind of thing Brian Clough would say as a manager.

It might not turn out to be true but it speaks of his desire to put things right and to improve and win.

When we first brought Kompany in I was concerned he'd be a Southgate style manager wedded to needless passing and soft to the core. Last season showed how wrong I was.

There will be a lot more mistakes this season. We're bedding in new players who are learning the system and we're also playing against much higher standard of opposition. We might get thumped a couple of times against the best sides but I'm still very confident we'll be fine.

It's time for us fans to hold the line, show confidence in the management and players and to continue backing them to the hilt.

Cricket field was great yesterday in their continued support.

Cricket field were great yesterday but said something when it was half empty 15 minutes before the end.

[alwaysaclaret]

There are things there to build on, plus Tresor and Zarroury to come back. Work to be done in the two week break, particularly with our defenders, and as long as we keep seeing progress I remain positive

Yes, zaroury and tresor will add to the attacking play, but it's not there we need to improve.

[JimmyRobbo]

So then, following Vincent’s comments on the City game being the worst that the team will be all season - was he correct or does he look a bit of a fool in that we were even worse in the very next game?

You have to feel sorry for Blackburn fans like him. It must be hard for that lot down the road now they've realised they're nothing but a play thing for their Indian owners.

Even worse, they turn up on here trying to ride on the back of our energy. Bless!

[IanMcL]

Play the men and add some boys.

[TheFamilyCat]

Now a 2 in 3 PL striker !

Yeah, I'm sorry for undervaluing him.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Worryingly, this statement seems crazier and crazier with each passing week.

[taio]

Worryingly, this statement seems crazier and crazier with each passing week.

Not really

[bumba]

Worryingly, this statement seems crazier and crazier with each passing week.

Couldn't agree more, now played 6 games and we haven't learnt anything.
Worrying

[StayingDown4Ever]

Couldn't agree more, now played 6 games and we haven't learnt anything.
Worrying

The City game wasn’t great but obviously it was always likely there would be one or two worse performances than that over the course of the season - but to have had so many worse ones already since makes Vincent look extremely foolish.

He needs to sort it soon.

[RVclaret]

Couldn't agree more, now played 6 games and we haven't learnt anything.
Worrying

Can’t agree there. The overall defensive shape and structure is looking far better yesterday than previous games. Limited Newcastle to just 2 big chances in the match despite their constant pressure. Same team that put 8 past Sheff the week before…

[Grimsdale]

Couldn't agree more, now played 6 games and we haven't learnt anything.
Worrying

First three games, goals conceded 11 (and could have been more)
Next three games, goals conceded 4.

I think that in itself shows we are learning to adapt.

[bumba]

Can’t agree there. The overall defensive shape and structure is looking far better yesterday than previous games. Limited Newcastle to just 2 big chances in the match despite their constant pressure. Same team that put 8 past Sheff the week before…

They could of put 8 past us yesterday, we are woeful defensively.
Were trying to play a way this squad is incapable of playing at this level

[Swizzlestick]

They could of put 8 past us yesterday, we are woeful defensively.
Were trying to play a way this squad is incapable of playing at this level

They could, but didn’t. I think you’re overreacting slightly.

As for VK’s comment, that’s just a standard motivational thing for a manager to say, it’s hardly worth analysing too much, though it’s no real surprise the OP has done.

[taio]

The City game wasn’t great but obviously it was always likely there would be one or two worse performances than that over the course of the season - but to have had so many worse ones already since makes Vincent look extremely foolish.

He needs to sort it soon.

It doesn't make Kompany look foolish at all...unless you created this thread and like referring back to it thinking he's foolish. In fact, it's no bid deal whatsoever.

[RVclaret]

They could of put 8 past us yesterday, we are woeful defensively.
Were trying to play a way this squad is incapable of playing at this level

Can’t agree there. They had 2.5 xG to our 0.9 (bare in mind 0.75 of their total was from a daft penalty). I felt the defending yesterday and flow of the game wasn’t too dissimilar from Dyche days, plenty of good box defending which limited them chance wise.

[BurnleyFC]

I think it’s perhaps even taken VK by surprise, just how difficult the Premier League is.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm starting to become concerned that VK only knows 1 way of setting the team up & that's trying to go for the jugular when in this league you need to be defensively disciplined to grind out results, the sooner we realise that we are no longer in the championship & need to try a different approach the sooner we can get points on the board & hopefully start moving up the table. The football might not be as pretty but it'll be more effective in gaining points.

[bumba]

Can’t agree there. They had 2.5 xG to our 0.9 (bare in mind 0.75 of their total was from a daft penalty). I felt the defending yesterday and flow of the game wasn’t too dissimilar from Dyche days, plenty of good box defending which limited them chance wise.

Is that the same XG that had spurs down at about 2.8 against us yet they scored 5?

[AlargeClaret]

The one issue which could be our downfall is trying to play like a “ top 6 super club “ when our players are slightly below that level across the pitch . We’d blow away most smaller European leagues , but we just look a bit “ light” in the prem. Still very confident we’ll have far too much for the likes of Sheff/Luton and 2/3 others though .

[StayingDown4Ever]

The one issue which could be our downfall is trying to play like a “ top 6 super club “ when our players are slightly below that level across the pitch . We’d blow away most smaller European leagues , but we just look a bit “ light” in the prem. Still very confident we’ll have far too much for the likes of Sheff/Luton and 2/3 others though .

Slightly below that level - good one!

[Woonderbah]

I'm starting to become concerned that VK only knows 1 way of setting the team up & that's trying to go for the jugular when in this league you need to be defensively disciplined to grind out results, the sooner we realise that we are no longer in the championship & need to try a different approach the sooner we can get points on the board & hopefully start moving up the table. The football might not be as pretty but it'll be more effective in gaining points.

We've all the ingredients of being an excellent counter attacking team if only we moved the ball quicker and stopped losing possession so cheaply.

[taio]

We've all the ingredients of being an excellent counter attacking team if only we moved the ball quicker and stopped losing possession so cheaply.

There's no chance Kompany will turn us into a counter attacking team, and nor should he. He should stick to his beliefs because he's signed players to fit his model, even though it might not be enough.

[NewClaret]

Now a 2 in 3 PL striker !

Should’ve been a 3 in 3 PL striker

[RVclaret]

Is that the same XG that had spurs down at about 2.8 against us yet they scored 5?

Exactly. 2 of their goals were outside the box screamers (low xG chances). In fact in the last 3 games we’ve conceded 3 stunning finishes and a penalty. It’s hardly been getting cut open which is what ‘woeful defending’ would suggest.

[claretcrav]

We will see how far we have come on Tuesday

[Woonderbah]

There's no chance Kompany will turn us into a counter attacking team, and nor should he. He should stick to his beliefs because he's signed players to fit his model, even though it might not be enough.

I don't see any harm in mixing it up.. playing counter attacking football against a team that dominates possession.. then playing possession based football against a team happy to sit back.
I'm not saying VK should change his philosophy nor do I think he should.
Villa beating Brighton 6-1 with 38% possession is a perfect example of mixing it up.

[Darnhill Claret]

I think home to Chelsea will be a better indicator. I'll be happy with a point at Luton, but hoping we dominate them and win.

[taio]

I don't see any harm in mixing it up.. playing counter attacking football against a team that dominates possession.. then playing possession based football against a team happy to sit back.
I'm not saying VK should change his philosophy nor do I think he should.
Villa beating Brighton 6-1 with 38% possession is a perfect example of mixing it up.

There's no harm mixing it up and adapting to the opposition.I just don't think VK will do that and I understand why he wouldn't.

[bumba]

Exactly. 2 of their goals were outside the box screamers (low xG chances). In fact in the last 3 games we’ve conceded 3 stunning finishes and a penalty. It’s hardly been getting cut open which is what ‘woeful defending’ would suggest.

If you feel conceding 15 goals in 6 games isn't woeful then hats off to you

[KRBFC]

I find it astonishing how quick “Burnley fans” are to slag off this team of all teams, like the 100+ points season counts for nothing?

After last seasons new team and slow start, have fans not learnt to be just a little patient?

Let’s just f**k everything BFC eh, let’s all just revel in defeat, balls to VK and the long term vision, as a newly promoted team we aren’t beating teams in European football so burn the whole thing down

[ksrclaret]

I find it astonishing how quick “Burnley fans” are to slag off this team of all teams, like the 100+ points season counts for nothing?

After last seasons new team and slow start, have fans not learnt to be just a little patient?

Let’s just f**k everything BFC eh, let’s all just revel in defeat, balls to VK and the long term vision, as a newly promoted team we aren’t beating teams in European football so burn the whole thing down

To be fair, you were exactly the same under Dyche.

[Woodleyclaret]

We will get better and playing teams in our minutes league like Luton will help

[KRBFC]

To be fair, you were exactly the same under Dyche.

Dyche football was dreadful, the signings were short term, a side built to decline. VK has just delivered a season Dyche could only dream of, blew teams away like we were Barcelona.