Vincent Kompany

[Wembley09]

A few fans? Certainly a large majority of posters on here assumed we wouldn't need to worry this season and we'd get a top half finish!!

How many on here? I'd be surprised if you could quote a hundred..
I saw the odd ones on Burnley express, but they seemed like giddy fans overthinking at the time.

[superdimitri]

How many on here? I'd be surprised if you could quote a hundred..
I saw the odd ones on Burnley express, but they seemed like giddy fans overthinking at the time.

I could if I could be bothered. But luckily the forum isn't a representation of your average fan.

[Wembley09]

Fair enough, I just don't believe many really believed anything other than a fight for survival this season.
But my feelings mean nothing, everybody's got their own opinion.

[Jakubclaret]

I can remember all the arguments & debates that existed with certain posters maintaining the championship was a good standard last season & anybody that insisted otherwise give rise to derision. I was wrong myself with the predictions that it'd be struggle to get out of mistakenly thinking the standard was closer it's miles apart in reality.

[Swizzlestick]

I can remember all the arguments & debates that existed with certain posters maintaining the championship was a good standard last season & anybody that insisted otherwise give rise to derision. I was wrong myself with the predictions that it'd be struggle to get out of mistakenly thinking the standard was closer it's miles apart in reality.

The audacity! No, you wrote us off because you said we'd signed lower quality players and you took great delight in making this point during our slow start. When we started winning games, you stopped posting and now you're trying to rewrite it like you just overstated the quality of the league. Just total nonsense.

[Jakubclaret]

The audacity! No, you wrote us off because you said we'd signed lower quality players and you took great delight in making this point during our slow start. When we started winning games, you stopped posting and now you're trying to rewrite it like you just overstated the quality of the league. Just total nonsense.

Similar to your nonsense that mee was resigned to us going down despite dyches mindset that enough points were available, I can quite clearly remember in mission to Burnley mee was up for the challenge, so we can both be wrong but I'm man enough to admit when I am unlike you.

[Swizzlestick]

Similar to your nonsense that mee was resigned to us going down despite dyches mindset that enough points were available, I can quite clearly remember in mission to Burnley mee was up for the challenge, so we can both be wrong but I'm man enough to admit when I am unlike you.

You're not man enough to admit anything - you're a very arrogant person who changes his story to suit.

Why you're bringing up Ben Mee is beyond but I've took the liberty to find the thread with the podcast on viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65283&hilit=ben+mee+podcast

And if you can't be arsed doing that, direct quote from Ben Mee - "I don't think we'd have gotten the required points to stay up if things kept going as they were"

[Jakubclaret]

You're not man enough to admit anything - you're a very arrogant person who changes his story to suit.

Why you're bringing up Ben Mee is beyond but I've took the liberty to find the thread with the podcast on viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65283&hilit=ben+mee+podcast

And if you can't be arsed doing that, direct quote from Ben Mee - "I don't think we'd have gotten the required points to stay up if things kept going as they were"

Mee might have said that afterwards after the fate was sealed I'm on about during the season when it was in progress, I didn't think Brighton would beat Newcastle yesterday but after 8pm yesterday evening I can easily say that I thought brighton would beat Newcastle. It does actually matter more when you actually state things when in reality uncertainty exists.

[Swizzlestick]

So I was correct about Ben Mee, glad we've cleared that up.

[Jakubclaret]

After something had happened yes which wasn't nothing to do with what was happening during the season, you'll be right that 1 day we all have to die I should expect or that all rivers run to the sea even tributaries.

[evensteadiereddie]

[Clive 1960]

I know we are only 3 games in but what i have noticed that if Vincent thinks something is not right he uses his subs early and he will pull you off if you are not doing your job like Benson against Villa and yesterday he pulled 2 of at ht but what got me going was we were trailing 2.1 and he brings another defender on and goes 5 at the back was he thinking damage limitation well it didn't work, plus is striker's were isolated as midfield was over run . I thought he might have gone with Foster up top on is own and brought extra midfielder in like Brownhill.

[Coeus]

Was Craig Bellamy in dug out yesterday? Saw Mike Jackson and obviously Kompany but not Bellamy. I sit a few row behind dug out in my defence but normally see him.

[ebby]

Yes, he was there. View from TV. Commentator even named all three.

[Terrier]

When people question the strength of the championship last season I remind them that Luton town got promoted, that usually sets them straight.

[Tricky Trevor]

We’ve lost at home to 3 teams I’d expect us to lose to. I’d expect ManU to come and win also but Chelsea are on a learning journey and we could shock them.
This is not the time for recrimination. VK told us it would take time.
My one concern is that in his own way he appears as stubborn as SD was but it’s his ride and we are passengers.

[Spijed]

We’ve lost at home to 3 teams I’d expect us to lose to.

Unfortunately that's not a good mindset. If we are writing off games we're going to really struggle.

Forest went to Chelsea and won. A team we have to compete against if we have any hope of survival.

[warksclaret]

When friends were asking me a few weeks ago "how do you think you will do this season" I replied by saying our first 5 games are horrendous so expect us to be around the bottom, but I am confident after that we will start picking up points

I still maintain that. What I did not envisage is the manner in which we have conceded a few goals, but fortunately the two week break could not have come at a better time. Plus after 4 games VK has learned a lot about his players, and will assist him going forwards

On a positive no club at present is going to be sniffing around our manager.

[Tricky Trevor]

Unfortunately that's not a good mindset. If we are writing off games we're going to really struggle.

Forest went to Chelsea and won. A team we have to compete against if we have any hope of survival.

I’d hope the team don’t go out with that mindset but I’m a realist and when every player in their teams costs more than the equivalent in our side and they are top sides I expect to lose.

[claret2018]

Yes I know we’ve played 3 decent sides but they’re all good sides in this league now.

Pre season I was fairly confident of a lower to mid table finish, now I think we’ll be bottom of the league come May

[Elizabeth]

Yes I know we’ve played 3 decent sides but they’re all good sides in this league now.

Pre season I was fairly confident of a lower to mid table finish, now I think we’ll be bottom of the league come May

What even made you think we would finish lower to mid table in the first place if you've changed your mind so quickly? The team isn't even settled yet.
Hang in there , things will get better, and at the end of the season you might be able to say you were right.

[Jakubclaret]

I’d hope the team don’t go out with that mindset but I’m a realist and when every player in their teams costs more than the equivalent in our side and they are top sides I expect to lose.

There is expecting to lose & also expecting a decent performance to go along with that.

[RicardoMontalban]

Yes I know we’ve played 3 decent sides but they’re all good sides in this league now.

Pre season I was fairly confident of a lower to mid table finish, now I think we’ll be bottom of the league come May

‘Three decent sides’ is quite the understatement. European Champions and currently top. The side, who, since they changed manager mid season had the second best form, and the side currently second. It’s been a hell of a baptism and we’ve had a rough time, but they are far from just decent sides.

[CoolClaret]

This ‘played three good sides now’ is such a copout answer. We’ve been absolutely battered off all of them.

When we came up under horse face we beat a very good, title winning United side at home 1-0, Dychey we beat Liverpool 2-0 at home.

The next two games are pivotal - if it looks like we’re making the same mistakes again and look just as open then I think we’re doomed.

This is why you don’t make so many changes to your side when you come up, you have to ride that wave.

Now after 3 straight losses the fans/club are out of alignment and questions are rightly being asked.

I don’t think would have been if different decisions have been made (you know, the obvious talking points).

It really is that simple for me.

[Tricky Trevor]

When we came up under horse face we beat a very good, title winning United side at home 1-0, Dychey we beat Liverpool 2-0 at home.

Those sides had players raised in English football who new what they were facing.
This side are pre-dominantly younger players used to European football leagues and it’s slower pace. Both Villa and Spurs killed us with the speed of their breakaways. Our guys will learn and in VK they couldn’t have a better mentor.

[CoolClaret]

Those sides had players raised in English football who new what they were facing.
This side are pre-dominantly younger players used to European football leagues and it’s slower pace. Both Villa and Spurs killed us with the speed of their breakaways. Our guys will learn and in VK they couldn’t have a better mentor.

You’re failing to see my point.

People are chalking it up to the level of opposition - that’s just what you get being in the Prem.

They might learn - they’ve got a lot to and quickly!

This doesn’t change the fact that our transfer window has been very strange as has our idea to rip a wining team up and start again.

Long way to go and a much needed break coming up.

[Vegas Claret]

This ‘played three good sides now’ is such a copout answer. We’ve been absolutely battered off all of them.

When we came up under horse face we beat a very good, title winning United side at home 1-0, Dychey we beat Liverpool 2-0 at home.

The next two games are pivotal - if it looks like we’re making the same mistakes again and look just as open then I think we’re doomed.

This is why you don’t make so many changes to your side when you come up, you have to ride that wave.

Now after 3 straight losses the fans/club are out of alignment and questions are rightly being asked.

I don’t think would have been if different decisions have been made (you know, the obvious talking points).

It really is that simple for me.

the level in the PL at the top end obliterates anything we've seen. This current Man City team is the best ever in the PL and the others are playing catch up well. The gap between the top boys and the rest has never been bigger and sadly continues to grow

When Blackburn won the league they only did so because Man United couldn't beat this West Ham team:
Miklosko, Holmes, Morley, Rieper, Bishop, Breacker, Moncur, Rowland, Potts, Hughes, Hitchinson - that's a Championship team nowadays.

[CoolClaret]

the level in the PL at the top end obliterates anything we've seen. This current Man City team is the best ever in the PL and the others are playing catch up well. The gap between the top boys and the rest has never been bigger and sadly continues to grow

When Blackburn won the league they only did so because Man United couldn't beat this West Ham team:
Miklosko, Holmes, Morley, Rieper, Bishop, Breacker, Moncur, Rowland, Potts, Hughes, Hitchinson - that's a Championship team nowadays.

No one is expecting us to beat City - the concerning part is that was our best performance!

My point is that there is some pure copium answers clutching at 10 minute spells here and there in a PL football game. It’s just not enough.

Villa destroyed us, they’re currently 3-0 down at Liverpool and got turned over 5-1 by Newcastle.

Not sure why you’re bringing up a result from 1995 either?

How about this in 2018, city couldn’t beat this champ team away from home:

[Vegas Claret]

No one is expecting us to beat City - the concerning part is that was our best performance!

My point is that there is some pure copium answers clutching at 10 minute spells here and there in a PL football game. It’s just not enough.

Villa destroyed us, they’re currently 3-0 down at Liverpool and got turned over 5-1 by Newcastle.

Not sure why you’re bringing up a result from 1995 either?

How about this in 2018, city couldn’t beat this champ team away from home:

well done on backing up my point. The Premier League isn't at the standard it was even 2 seasons ago, the levels have gone up MASSIVELY but you don't seem able to grasp that for some reason.

Man City owners net worth 16.8 billion
Arsenal owners net worth 8.9 billion
Liverpool owners net worth (Fenway) 20 billion
Newcastle owners net worth (Saudi PIF) 600 billion
Aston Villa owners net worth 11 billion
Spurs owners net worth 5 billion
Chelsea owners net worth 13 billion

I could continue with them all but Fulham's owner is also worth 10 billion

How exactly is us even playing at this level in this league being described in any way shape or form as 'not good enough'?!!. We can be competitive against a lot of teams in this league but the top 6-8 teams in 2023 is literally a super league in all but name

[Casper2]

well done on backing up my point. The Premier League isn't at the standard it was even 2 seasons ago, the levels have gone up MASSIVELY but you don't seem able to grasp that for some reason.

Man City owners net worth 16.8 billion
Arsenal owners net worth 8.9 billion
Liverpool owners net worth (Fenway) 20 billion
Newcastle owners net worth (Saudi PIF) 600 billion
Aston Villa owners net worth 11 billion
Spurs owners net worth 5 billion
Chelsea owners net worth 13 billion

I could continue with them all but Fulham's owner is also worth 10 billion

How exactly is us even playing at this level in this league being described in any way shape or form as 'not good enough'?!!. We can be competitive against a lot of teams in this league but the top 6-8 teams in 2023 is literally a super league in all but name

Irrelevant what owners are worth.

[Vegas Claret]

Irrelevant what owners are worth.

only if you are daft and have no concept of what that means

[Casper2]

only if you are daft and have no concept of what that means

So by your logic Newcastle win the league every year .

[Vegas Claret]

So by your logic Newcastle win the league every year .

give them time, City just proved your point and thus further proving mine.

[Casper2]

give them time, City just proved your point and thus further proving mine.

You mentioned nothing about time , how much time you thinking?

[Vegas Claret]

You mentioned nothing about time , how much time you thinking?

well it took City a good while but it's not overly about that -it's the fact that City were winning the league easily but the rest of the cashed up teams have clearly improved and are getting closer, some of them only slightly - but at the same time these teams are getting further and further away from the rest. It's a top 6-7 Super League then the rest and when you consider Brentford are trying to spend 40 million on players it shows you how difficult it is going to be for promoted teams. The big six 'supporters' complained about the Super League and voiced the "it'll ruin the English pyramid" argument but they are doing it anyway. The PL is really at risk of becoming a closed shop for most teams, the ones that struggle are the ones with less money. It's a shame really

[Casper2]

well it took City a good while but it's not overly about that -it's the fact that City were winning the league easily but the rest of the cashed up teams have clearly improved and are getting closer, some of them only slightly - but at the same time these teams are getting further and further away from the rest. It's a top 6-7 Super League then the rest and when you consider Brentford are trying to spend 40 million on players it shows you how difficult it is going to be for promoted teams. The big six 'supporters' complained about the Super League and voiced the "it'll ruin the English pyramid" argument but they are doing it anyway. The PL is really at risk of becoming a closed shop for most teams, the ones that struggle are the ones with less money. It's a shame really

So you would be happy with a super league which would even it up for the rest ?

[KRBFC]

This ‘played three good sides now’ is such a copout answer. We’ve been absolutely battered off all of them.

When we came up under horse face we beat a very good, title winning United side at home 1-0, Dychey we beat Liverpool 2-0 at home.

The next two games are pivotal - if it looks like we’re making the same mistakes again and look just as open then I think we’re doomed.

This is why you don’t make so many changes to your side when you come up, you have to ride that wave.

Now after 3 straight losses the fans/club are out of alignment and questions are rightly being asked.

I don’t think would have been if different decisions have been made (you know, the obvious talking points).

It really is that simple for me.

I said months ago I could see us getting relegated in the first season, bouncing back at the first attempt and then surviving.

I think people forget this is the same that happened under Dyche, we were relegated that first season.

[Darnhill Claret]

Stay strong KRBFC, we will be OK. Don't let the pessimists grind you down.

[Vegas Claret]

So you would be happy with a super league which would even it up for the rest ?

depends who you are asking:
The sports/football lover in me says 100%, **** them all off and have an even competition for the rest, it would be much more enjoyable for everyone
The businessmen side understands the attraction and money the PL brings if you get into it and it does filter some (not enough) money down the pyramid

It's not an easy one to honestly answer hence the reason nobody seems able to. It's about to get worse though because of the Saudi's

[Vegas Claret]

I said months ago I could see us getting relegated in the first season, bouncing back at the first attempt and then surviving.

I think people forget this is the same that happened under Dyche, we were relegated that first season.

at least we'd get to spank Bastards again

[KRBFC]

Stay strong KRBFC, we will be OK. Don't let the pessimists grind you down.

I think we’ll be more than fine after the window we’ve had, full trust in VK to get it right, it’s a new team in a new league, it will take time.

[brexit]

Observation from Chekov
Dr Relling explains to a family the concept of the life-lie, which is a delusion we invent to keep ourselves from despair.
The reason I thought of this is that the family in the play are called Ekdal.

[CoolClaret]

well done on backing up my point. The Premier League isn't at the standard it was even 2 seasons ago, the levels have gone up MASSIVELY but you don't seem able to grasp that for some reason.

Man City owners net worth 16.8 billion
Arsenal owners net worth 8.9 billion
Liverpool owners net worth (Fenway) 20 billion
Newcastle owners net worth (Saudi PIF) 600 billion
Aston Villa owners net worth 11 billion
Spurs owners net worth 5 billion
Chelsea owners net worth 13 billion

I could continue with them all but Fulham's owner is also worth 10 billion

How exactly is us even playing at this level in this league being described in any way shape or form as 'not good enough'?!!. We can be competitive against a lot of teams in this league but the top 6-8 teams in 2023 is literally a super league in all but name

I really don’t know what to say tbh.

It’s a game of footy. If we don’t think we can get a result at home against Villa then what’s the point?

You’re making it out like every team has evolved into super team that we have no right in playing football against.

It’s 11 vs 11 - getting tonked in home games and looking wildly exposed just isn’t good enough.

We go again. Need to wise up though and quickly.

[Vegas Claret]

I really don’t know what to say tbh.

It’s a game of footy. If we don’t think we can get a result at home against Villa then what’s the point?

You’re making it out like every team has evolved into super team that we have no right in playing football against.

It’s 11 vs 11 - getting tonked in home games and looking wildly exposed just isn’t good enough.

We go again. Need to wise up though and quickly.

you weren't complaining last season when we had all the money in the league and were tonking teams at their place though - why weren't they able to compete with us ?? I mean, this surely can't be going over your head ?? Surely not ???

[Jakubclaret]

No wonder some of the players can't be arsed if some of the fans have already given up or seemingly appears that way.

[CoolClaret]

you weren't complaining last season when we had all the money in the league and were tonking teams at their place though - why weren't they able to compete with us ?? I mean, this surely can't be going over your head ?? Surely not ???

How much have we spent this window?

No I wasn’t complaining about spending last year because we sold to buy.

I’d also say relatively yeah, teams that spent naff all like Rotherham, Blackpool, Coventry (not Wigan we pieced them up) certainly provided a much tougher test than we have provided for teams so far.

Again, we go again. Need to wise up very quickly though.

[Vegas Claret]

How much have we spent this window?

No I wasn’t complaining about spending last year because we sold to buy.

I’d also say relatively yeah, teams that spent naff all like Rotherham, Blackpool, Coventry (not Wigan we pieced them up) certainly provided a much tougher test than we have provided for teams so far.

Again, we go again. Need to wise up very quickly though.

so we signed players for 1-10 million last season and teams really did struggle to compete with us. We have played 3 teams who's cheapest players cost north of 30 for the most part. I genuinely can't get my head around how you don't see the correlation between money and far better players. It wouldn't matter what tactics you play, these top players always find away - it's why the teams with all the money win all the time. Jesus

[CoolClaret]

so we signed players for 1-10 million last season and teams really did struggle to compete with us. We have played 3 teams who's cheapest players cost north of 30 for the most part. I genuinely can't get my head around how you don't see the correlation between money and far better players. It wouldn't matter what tactics you play, these top players always find away - it's why the teams with all the money win all the time. Jesus

Of course I see that correlation Vegas, I’m not daft.

I’m also not suggesting we should be sat on 9 points, or 6, or 3!

I just don’t think we should have been pieced up in the manner that we have and be playing players out of position.

Making it hard on ourselves for seemingly no reason! I can’t see the logic.

Still going to get behind the team on match days and back the lads. I just have to call a spade a spade.

[Vegas Claret]

I just don’t think we should have been pieced up in the manner that we have and be playing players out of position.

Making it hard on ourselves for seemingly no reason! I can’t see the logic.

Still going to get behind the team on match days and back the lads. I just have to call a spade a spade.

fair enough, we agree on that, the whole no left back thing is mind boggling

[dvalley69]

Don't see why there's all the discussion really. We've go no full-backs and no central midfield! Playing someone in a number 10 role who's got no-one to link up with (apart from one striker surrounded by 3/4 defenders) and a keeper who's played League 1 at the highest and had no summer break at all. Half the team is non-existent, and it's shown! Seriously, and we think VK is the bees knees? That is awful decision making and anyone at the start of the season who'd have said this was gonna happen would've known the outcome with the opening games (and let's not look beyond the Forest game). Continue like this and after 7 games we'll have 0/1 points and then panic will really start to kick in. You do not go through the same process as the Championship! We're in the Premier League for god's sake! We'll be down beore he gets it right at this rate. The Prem is much stronger nowadays than even 2 years ago. Some people seem happy and are accepting of that. Personally, I'm not. We're here, let's not waste it; nothing is certain about the future if we go down.

P.S. Bulk the squad and throw enough **** will eventually bring an odd decent fee, but ******** to watching that every week. Those three games were embarassing after over 2 and a half months of preparation! And noone can gloss over that or tell me otherwise.