God Save The King

[ClaretsPadiham]

Needs to be axed as our national anthem and replaced by Jerusalem.

1. GSTK is so underwhelming and uninspiring, must be the worst national anthem in the world.

2. Not everyone is a royalist.

3.It’s too short.


I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

[BigF]

Too Short??? I thought there were quite a number of verses, 6 at least.

[burnmark]

I know a national anthem’s sole objective is not to get thousands of football fans roused to a high level, but ours will never create the noise and unified voice that Flower of Scotland did last night.

I’ve grown to like GSTK more over the years but would love to see it replaced with Land of Hope and Glory.

[Spijed]

I know a national anthem’s sole objective is not to get thousands of football fans roused to a high level, but ours will never create the noise and unified voice that Flower of Scotland did last night.

I’ve grown to like GSTK more over the years but would love to see it replaced with Land of Hope and Glory.

The only two rousing anthems seem to be the French and Italian ones.

[yTib]

anyone can fall in love by anita dobson would be my shout.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

Agadoo

[Venkys4eva]

Needs to be axed as our national anthem and replaced by Jerusalem.

1. GSTK is so underwhelming and uninspiring, must be the worst national anthem in the world.

2. Not everyone is a royalist.

3.It’s too short.


I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

I want to win the lottery (as this is a fantasy thread, why not)

[Bosscat]

Whenever this pops up the old Billy Connolly monologue pops into my head

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ ... 1WsiMH3jlA

[CoolClaret]

It’s as outdated as the monarchy is.

Needs binning (like the monarchy does) immediately.

[Stayingup]

The words are not as good as those in the Spanish anthem.!!!

But is thread because the Scots booed it? They would boo any other anthem we chose. Simply put, they and the other cells don't like the English.

[Croydon Claret]

There's something wrong when the national anthem of the UK is the same as the national anthem of England.

One or the other needs changing

[Lip]

It’s as outdated as the monarchy is.

Needs binning (like the monarchy does) immediately.

Don't talk stupid CC..the monarchy are the backbone of our glorious country and do it proud. They also bring millions of visitors to our shores on holiday as well as themselves going abroad to our commonwealth countries to visit them.Worth every penny .
"GOD SAVE THE KING AND ALL WHO SERVE UNDER HIM"

[Nori1958]

Too Short??? I thought there were quite a number of verses, 6 at least.

What is sung is too short, compared with most countries

[Nori1958]

It’s as outdated as the monarchy is.

Needs binning (like the monarchy does) immediately.

Grow up

[CoolClaret]

Don't talk stupid CC..the monarchy are the backbone of our glorious country and do it proud. They also bring millions of visitors to our shores on holiday as well as themselves going abroad to our commonwealth countries to visit them.Worth every penny .
"GOD SAVE THE KING AND ALL WHO SERVE UNDER HIM"

They really don’t. Thoroughly debunked.

What would make the more money is opening the palaces up (like France and many other counties do) and charge visitors.

As for the commonwealth? All the countries want to leave and get their independence back.

[TheFamilyCat]

Don't talk stupid CC..the monarchy are the backbone of our glorious country and do it proud. They also bring millions of visitors to our shores on holiday as well as themselves going abroad to our commonwealth countries to visit them.Worth every penny .
"GOD SAVE THE KING AND ALL WHO SERVE UNDER HIM"

I wonder what percentage of tourists to the UK see a member of the Royal family. If it's as close to zero as I suspect it is then I don't think they can take the credit for attracting them.

[Croydon Claret]

I wonder what percentage of tourists to the UK see a member of the Royal family. If it's as close to zero as I suspect it is then I don't think they can take the credit for attracting them.

I only saw the Queen once in 20+ years of working in London but it's about more than just catching a glance of an individual.

Love them or hate them the Royal family are an intrinsic part of the history of this country.

The traditions, the pageantry, and the palaces are all intrinsic parts of living under a monarchy. Those aspects are easily accessible even if the Royal family themselves are not

[Firthy]

The only two rousing anthems seem to be the French and Italian ones.

I beg to differ. I know it's not football based but if you've ever listened to Flower of Scotland and Land of my Fathers sung at Rugby Internationals you'll know what I mean.

[Spijed]

I beg to differ. I know it's not football based but if you've ever listened to Flower of Scotland and Land of my Fathers sung at Rugby Internationals you'll know what I mean.

Yes, two great anthems.

[timshorts]

There's something wrong when the national anthem of the UK is the same as the national anthem of England.

One or the other needs changing

Well yes. They seem interchangeable for most of this thread, but one is thought to be a song about how wonderful England is (when that isn't what the song is about). You can have that one.

The other one is supposed to be about what a wonderful dude the king is, but the dirge is treated by the rest of us as an English supremecist song, and as such, it is now just as bad as all that sectarian rubbish that goes on in Glasgow. I don't mind singing a little song about how good the king is, as he's a decent bloke, but not that song.

Maybe we could sing about all of them together:-

"Queen camilla, william, Harry, Charles."

fits perfectly with the teletubbies music, for instance.

[Croydon Claret]

Well yes. They seem interchangeable for most of this thread, but one is thought to be a song about how wonderful England is (when that isn't what the song is about). You can have that one.

The other one is supposed to be about what a wonderful dude the king is, but the dirge is treated by the rest of us as an English supremecist song, and as such, it is now just as bad as all that sectarian rubbish that goes on in Glasgow. I don't mind singing a little song about how good the king is, as he's a decent bloke, but not that song.

Maybe we could sing about all of them together:-

"Queen camilla, william, Harry, Charles."

fits perfectly with the teletubbies music, for instance.

We should split the difference and just use the theme tune from Only Fools and Horses

[AlargeClaret]

God save the Queen could be very rousing , especially at big Eng games ( more especially away ) Though gotta say GSTK feels a bit flaccid, and gotta say I’d love Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory. Though let’s face it ,it’s not changing anytime soon .

[agreenwood]

Isn’t one of the unsung verses about “crushing the Scots”?

No wonder they booed it.

[Stayingup]

Pity really the English haven't got an athem dedicated to Edward Longshanks for the matches against Scotland. Thing is we don't play them very often now in competition as they rarely qualify.

[TheFamilyCat]

I only saw the Queen once in 20+ years of working in London but it's about more than just catching a glance of an individual.

Love them or hate them the Royal family are an intrinsic part of the history of this country.

The traditions, the pageantry, and the palaces are all intrinsic parts of living under a monarchy. Those aspects are easily accessible even if the Royal family themselves are not

I'm not denying that. All the palaces, the history etc would still attract tourists.

The idea that tourism would end if the Royals were binned off is nonsense.

[Rileybobs]

If it wasn’t for the royal family we wouldn’t have commemorative crockery.

[Croydon Claret]

If it wasn’t for the royal family we wouldn’t have commemorative crockery.

Or stamps

[Bosscat]

If it wasn’t for the royal family we wouldn’t have commemorative crockery.

Or Pubs ...

[IanMcL]

Whenever this pops up the old Billy Connolly monologue pops into my head

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ ... 1WsiMH3jlA

Assume Archers. Dum di dum di dum di dum etc.

Certainly better than any of the digest from Victoria Empire days. Who in their right mind would happily sing Jerusalem (Exc WI of course) or Land of H & G?
It all needs consigning to the past.

Get Elton John or Paul McCartney to write on or even younger.

Ir maybe the lads from Little Britain to write one for England! Victoria Wood would have nailed it with her friend Kimberley!

[ClaretTony]

The only two rousing anthems seem to be the French and Italian ones.

And Wales, and Scotland.

[morpheus2]

Any anthem pleading to the antagonist of a bronze age fairytale to save the leader of a medieval system of governance needs binning.
Jokes.

[ClaretinJapan]

Beasley Street by John Cooper Clarke would be more apt these days.

[fatboy47]

Don't talk stupid CC..the monarchy are the backbone of our glorious country and do it proud. They also bring millions of visitors to our shores on holiday as well as themselves going abroad to our commonwealth countries to visit them.Worth every penny .
"GOD SAVE THE KING AND ALL WHO SERVE UNDER HIM"

Surprised this didn't catch a few more....excellent bait.

I read it in a strong Alf Garnett accent before I stomped off "dahn the pab"

[ecc]

Needs to be axed as our national anthem and replaced by Jerusalem.

1. GSTK is so underwhelming and uninspiring, must be the worst national anthem in the world.

2. Not everyone is a royalist.

3.It’s too short.


I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Not sure BP will be contacting you soon.

[ChrisG]

Beasley Street by John Cooper Clarke would be more apt these days.

Or Evidently Chicken Town

[dsr]

I wonder what percentage of tourists to the UK see a member of the Royal family. If it's as close to zero as I suspect it is then I don't think they can take the credit for attracting them.

The same would be true of all attractions. What percentage of tourists visit Stonehenge? Or the Lake District? Or the Giant's Causeway? Or the British Museum? Or the Jorvik Viking Centre? Every one of them taken singly makes a minimal contribution to the UK tourist industry, but that doesn't mean that they could be closed without affecting the whole.

(I think the post was probably referring to the royal pageantry as a whole, not specifically the individuals.)

I was in London a few weeks ago and it surprised me how many people (thousands rather than hundreds) were there to see the Changing of the Guard. If the monarchy and its pageantry were not there, it would certainly have an effect.

[nil_desperandum]

The only two rousing anthems seem to be the French and Italian ones.

Uruguay - at least as good if not better.
The intro is longer than our anthem at about 40 seconds!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc6L_0N ... bleNations

[Rileybobs]

The same would be true of all attractions. What percentage of tourists visit Stonehenge? Or the Lake District? Or the Giant's Causeway? Or the British Museum? Or the Jorvik Viking Centre? Every one of them taken singly makes a minimal contribution to the UK tourist industry, but that doesn't mean that they could be closed without affecting the whole.

(I think the post was probably referring to the royal pageantry as a whole, not specifically the individuals.)

I was in London a few weeks ago and it surprised me how many people (thousands rather than hundreds) were there to see the Changing of the Guard. If the monarchy and its pageantry were not there, it would certainly have an effect.

Regardless of that, the tourism argument is ridiculous - as if that is a valid reason to have a monarchy. To make a ludicrous example it would be like the British still having public executions because they draw a crowd and keep street vendors in business.

[JohnMcGreal]

I think the only way to put the tourism theory to the test is to abolish the monarchy and then see what the results are, over the course of about 50 years.

That seems to be the time frame that's been decided for judging the outcomes of big, radical changes to our constitution.

[Falcon]

Yeah, calling on a deity I don't believe in to protect an unelected hereditary ruler does nowt for me.

However, even if you're a god-fearing Monarchist you can still see clear as day it's a crap song to a crap tune, and doesn't reflect England in any way.

[dsr]

Regardless of that, the tourism argument is ridiculous - as if that is a valid reason to have a monarchy. To make a ludicrous example it would be like the British still having public executions because they draw a crowd and keep street vendors in business.

Tourism is never used as a valid reason to have a monarchy. Tourism crops up because anti-monarchists bang on about how much cheaper it would be to have another system of government, and tourism is raised as a way of refuting that argument.

[AfloatinClaret]

Needs to be axed as our national anthem and replaced by Jerusalem...

Would I be right in thinking that CP's perhaps a closet Womens Institute member trying to attract more?

[pureclaret]

It’s as outdated as the monarchy is.

Needs binning (like the monarchy does) immediately.

not so cool

[CoolClaret]

not so cool

No I think bootlicking a bunch of toffs that dress in 17th century attire, cream resources, reinforce & uphold class divide, inequality & elitism is the ‘not so cool thing’.

[mkmel]

Boring dirge asking someone who does not exist to save someone who means bugger all to me. No thanks.

Give me a new English anthem that is about my country and I would sing it loud and proud.