Kompany comments

[fidelcastro]

Can't see another thread on this.

I get the long term plan, but is he already writing this season off?

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... NUlyOBIMek

[evensteadiereddie]

Considering we got promotion ahead of schedule, I can't imagine the thinking is that we need to stay in the PL at all costs.
If we do that's fine, if we don't we'll have a squad more than capable of getting us back up.
Let's see how much we develop over the next couple of months.

[Burnley1989]

He’s spot on

[burnley007]

What he says in public and what he says in his player meetings won't be the same.

He's a very ambitious and positive guy, but he has to temper expectations in the public.

We'll be flying by Christmas though, I don't doubt that. Even if we're only on 10-15 points by then, I'll still not be too worried. There are teams that don't have anywhere near our attacking options.

[nyclaret]

Considering we got promotion ahead of schedule, I can't imagine the thinking is that we need to stay in the PL at all costs.
If we do that's fine, if we don't we'll have a squad more than capable of getting us back up.
Let's see how much we develop over the next couple of months.

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

[FCBurnley]

What he says in public and what he says in his player meetings won't be the same.

He's a very ambitious and positive guy, but he has to temper expectations in the public.

We'll be flying by Christmas though, I don't doubt that. Even if we're only on 10-15 points by then, I'll still not be too worried. There are teams that don't have anywhere near our attacking options.

What if we are under 10 points and bottom ?

[Pickles]

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

Good question, I'm amazed he came to us in the first place. But he did and you've got to assume that's because he'll be given support and autonomy unlike elsewhere.

For what it's worth, even though we've been the pits in these first three games - soft, naïve and slow - I think we'll be reyt this season.

[CoolClaret]

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

I’d bloody hope so, assembled an extremely expensive hand picked/tailor made squad.

To bin us off like that would be a travesty.

[warksclaret]

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

Personally I think he is a very loyal man. If at the end of the season he has a decision to make whether he stays or goes, means the the Board have kept and not binned him. That will mean a lot to Kompany (just as it did for Dyche following his first relegation at Burnley).It shows huge faith, which would make him want to stay and get the club promoted again.I also think VY feels a loyalty to the many players he has recruited.

If we go down of course, that means we will have had some disastrous results and that will diminish the attention in him from other clubs in the PL

[BurnleyFC]

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

Would Alan Pace stick with him?

[Rileybobs]

VK is just like most other football managers in that if a much better team comes in for him with a better deal then he will leave. Of course if we do get relegated having spent a huge amount of money this summer with more than likely more to follow in January, then the chances of those offers may decrease.

[scouseclaret]

Considering we got promotion ahead of schedule, I can't imagine the thinking is that we need to stay in the PL at all costs.
If we do that's fine, if we don't we'll have a squad more than capable of getting us back up.
Let's see how much we develop over the next couple of months.

Problem with this is that if we do get relegated, there will need to be another fire sale of many of these exciting young talent.

[bf2k]

Considering we got promotion ahead of schedule, I can't imagine the thinking is that we need to stay in the PL at all costs.
If we do that's fine, if we don't we'll have a squad more than capable of getting us back up.
Let's see how much we develop over the next couple of months.

Can't argue with that

[Gp8419]

Nobody could of wished for a better season last year. But I think relegation could be quite disastrous for us with the financial outlay. I don’t even know the final outlay must be close to 150 m in transfer fees alone. I hate going back to dyche but considering the budget and wages he had this could be a shocker I think we have over gambled. On the flip side I don’t fancy us to drop but you have to be very worried defensively right now the way teams have opened us up,Man City was ok but bad the last two. Can we change it though the defence not really our squad is very lob sided.

[RVclaret]

Nobody could of wished for a better season last year. But I think relegation could be quite disastrous for us with the financial outlay. I don’t even know the final outlay must be close to 150 m in transfer fees alone. I hate going back to dyche but considering the budget and wages he had this could be a shocker I think we have over gambled. On the flip side I don’t fancy us to drop but you have to be very worried defensively right now the way teams have opened us up,Man City was ok but bad the last two. Can we change it though the defence not really our squad is very lob sided.

Relegation a financial disaster… where have I heard that before.

Our outlay was not much more than £90m in total so I’m not sure where £150m has come from.

[bf2k]

For what it's worth, even though we've been the pits in these first three games - soft, naïve and slow - I think we'll be reyt this season.

I don't think we've been "the pits" in the 3 games this season. Naive definitely and not up to speed with the league for the full 90 minutes. However, in all 3 games we've had spells where we've matched teams and had chances to affect the game and score. We've also played the best team in the world, a very good Spurs team who I think will be in the top 4 if not challenging top 2 come the end of the season and a very good Villa side. If we had of played the Luton game we'd be looking at this start differently.

I'm also encouraged by the signings for the future we've made. Burnley, in my lifetime, have NEVER signed a bright up and coming player for the future. The closet we've ever got to that accolade is Danny Ings and he was exactly one for the future.

[Spijed]

Relegation a financial disaster… where have I heard that before.

Our outlay was not much more than £90m in total so I’m not sure where £150m has come from.

It'll only be a disaster if we go down and stay down for a few seasons.

[Spijed]

I don't think we've been "the pits" in the 3 games this season. Naive definitely and not up to speed with the league for the full 90 minutes. However, in all 3 games we've had spells where we've matched teams and had chances to affect the game and score. We've also played the best team in the world, a very good Spurs team who I think will be in the top 4 if not challenging top 2 come the end of the season and a very good Villa side. If we had of played the Luton game we'd be looking at this start differently.

I'm also encouraged by the signings for the future we've made. Burnley, in my lifetime, have NEVER signed a bright up and coming player for the future. The closet we've ever got to that accolade is Danny Ings and he was exactly one for the future.

Are Villa that good having been ripped apart by Newcastle & Liverpool?

[bf2k]

Are Villa that good having been ripped apart by Newcastle & Liverpool?

Better than us but I get your point. Although I think when you look at the fixture list you'd probably put them down as one where we're not really going to get anything from, not this early in the season. If we had of won it would have been a shock result or blamed on their game in Europe.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Are Villa that good having been ripped apart by Newcastle & Liverpool?

Don't you think Villa have been one of the best sides in the country over the last 12 months ?

[RVclaret]

It'll only be a disaster if we go down and stay down for a few seasons.

Will it? Why?

[evensteadiereddie]

I don't know about Kompany's loyalty but what I've seen and heard from him since his first meeting with the players last season, it is clear that he is a highly intelligent and ambitious young manager with a project that, I would imagine, he is confidently looking forward to come to fruition. Hell know it might take a while.
There's no way on earth he'll go within the next two seasons.

[houseboy]

I find it a little odd that people are talking relegation after three games against two of the best sides in the country and Villa who, on their day, can beat anyone. The real benchmark for us was the Forest game, and we won it. This side will knit together and I believe we will be fine. There are more Evertons and Sheff Utds and Bournemouths in the PL than there are City’s and Tottenham’s. These first three games won’t define our season, it’s the games against the bottom half sides that will. After the seemingly dubious set of fixtures we were given at the start of the season we were always going to be playing catch up, and I think we will.

[Pickles]

I don't think we've been "the pits" in the 3 games this season. Naive definitely and not up to speed with the league for the full 90 minutes. However, in all 3 games we've had spells where we've matched teams and had chances to affect the game and score. We've also played the best team in the world, a very good Spurs team who I think will be in the top 4 if not challenging top 2 come the end of the season and a very good Villa side. If we had of played the Luton game we'd be looking at this start differently.

I'm also encouraged by the signings for the future we've made. Burnley, in my lifetime, have NEVER signed a bright up and coming player for the future. The closet we've ever got to that accolade is Danny Ings and he was exactly one for the future.

Deviating from the topic maybe but I think we've been the pits. Opinions isn't it. Yes we've created chances and pinged the ball around nicely. But our midfield has been non-existent, the defence has looked feeble and overall we've been confused, naive, slow and weak. Yes, immense opposition and I wasn't expecting a single point to be honest. But we've given ourselves little chance to get anything from the games, they've been over by half time or an hour in and subs and tactical changes have been odd. We've been battered in all three games so far.

But. I have faith we'll improve. I'm way more optimistic than I am pessimistic. Excellent signings, I think we're heading in a good direction and we'll stay up. In fact wouldn't surprise me hugely if we finish upper midtable or top ten.

[clarethomer]

No surprise in his words and comments - it's been clear and obvious of the approach/model taken.

[Spijed]

Will it? Why?

If we are in the Championship for a prolonged period I just wondered how we'd be able to manage the debt without any significant revenue.

[jojomk1]

"You're going to have to be tough defensively as well"

No Left back who he fancies

No holding midfielder

But enough wingers to field in three or four teams

The players brought in may well have good potential but they can't all play at once and so will not gain much experience at this level

We are going to need a stable, balanced starting eleven to get used to the system Kompany wants to adopt, whatever that is

Given our inexperience at this level it would be asking for trouble if we rotated the squad too many times

[daveisaclaret]

Kompany tempers expectations when he speaks to the press. It's why he never said we were all in on promotion last season. It's part of his job.

[aggi]

Will it? Why?

Because, on the face of things, we don't have owners who can inject significant amounts of money to keep us afloat.

Clubs in the Championship generally have horrendous wage to revenue ratios (I think it has averaged in excess of 100% for the past five years or so) and rely on owners to keep them going or the occasional Premier League spell.

[RVclaret]

Because, on the face of things, we don't have owners who can inject significant amounts of money to keep us afloat.

Clubs in the Championship generally have horrendous wage to revenue ratios (I think it has averaged in excess of 100% for the past five years or so) and rely on owners to keep them going or the occasional Premier League spell.

Lots of Championship clubs are poorly run, don’t manage wage bills and refuse to sell playing assets to balance the books/improve the general squad. Luton did pretty well to say they didn’t have owners who can inject significant amounts of money. I would trust what our owners did last season.

[aggi]

Lots of Championship clubs are poorly run, don’t manage wage bills and refuse to sell playing assets to balance the books/improve the general squad. Luton did pretty well to say they didn’t have owners who can inject significant amounts of money. I would trust what our owners did last season.

Luton are one of the clubs with a 100%+ wages to revenue ratio.

Our owners did what we did last season on the back of selling a load of developed premier league talents. We wouldn't have that if we'd spent an extended spell in the Championship.

[Vegas Claret]

as long as him and his team stay I'm not fussed if we finish bottom because I know we will come back stronger for it after enjoying another strong season the the Championship and smashing most sides. We have some amazing players now, for the most part the best I've seen play for us but I'm too young to have seen the teams of the 60's

[burnley007]

as long as him and his team stay I'm not fussed if we finish bottom because I know we will come back stronger for it after enjoying another strong season the the Championship and smashing most sides. We have some amazing players now, for the most part the best I've seen play for us but I'm too young to have seen the teams of the 60's

Exactly.
These are exciting times, irrelevant of the 1st 3 results. We have some phenomenal young players at the club, they will only grow into superb players that really push the club onwards and upwards...

[bf2k]

Deviating from the topic maybe but I think we've been the pits. Opinions isn't it. Yes we've created chances and pinged the ball around nicely. But our midfield has been non-existent, the defence has looked feeble and overall we've been confused, naive, slow and weak. Yes, immense opposition and I wasn't expecting a single point to be honest. But we've given ourselves little chance to get anything from the games, they've been over by half time or an hour in and subs and tactical changes have been odd. We've been battered in all three games so far.

But. I have faith we'll improve. I'm way more optimistic than I am pessimistic. Excellent signings, I think we're heading in a good direction and we'll stay up. In fact wouldn't surprise me hugely if we finish upper midtable or top ten.

Fair do's

[Big Vinny K]

Luton are one of the clubs with a 100%+ wages to revenue ratio.

Our owners did what we did last season on the back of selling a load of developed premier league talents. We wouldn't have that if we'd spent an extended spell in the Championship.

Never seen Luton’s finances but would guess that without the benefit of sky premier league money / parachute payments that it would not take much of a wage bill for it to exceed their revenue. £20m ?…..or even less ?

For Burnley for the next 3 or 4 years we are going to have around £25m a year going out in transfer fees. Then our wage bill on top…and any loan interest and repayments.

If we were to go down and stay down after the parachute payments finish then good chance we would be in a prettt precarious position - you’d think it would be significantly higher than Luton’s outgoings

[ashtonlongsider]

I think VK's giving everybody a reality check, 3 games in or 33 games in. When I looked at the 25 man squad yesterday, I could only echo the comments he made. VK's the key to our success now and going forward. AP appears to have given him a free and supportive hand and I'd be amazed if VK's thoughts weren't reverberated to the board. I'd also be very surprised if AP's not asked for reassurances from VK should the worst case scenario materialise this season. I for one firmly believe VK's here for the long run.

[groove]

The Burnley Express website is awful.

[LDNBFC87]

The Burnley Express website is awful.

Unuseable.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Would VK stay with us if we went straight back down? Genuine question.

Think the better questions is will Pace stick with VK if we go straight back down

[Ric_C]

Think the better questions is will Pace stick with VK if we go straight back down

yes

[Newcastleclaret93]

yes

Given he wasn’t afraid to sack Dyche 6 months after giving him a bumper deal, I wouldn’t rule anything out.

[Vegas Claret]

Given he wasn’t afraid to sack Dyche 6 months after giving him a bumper deal, I wouldn’t rule anything out.

that can't be a serious comment unless:

A: You have been asleep for the past 14 months
B: You have been asleep for the past 14 months
C: You have been asleep for the past 14 months

[Elizabeth]

I find it a little odd that people are talking relegation after three games against two of the best sides in the country and Villa who, on their day, can beat anyone. The real benchmark for us was the Forest game, and we won it. This side will knit together and I believe we will be fine. There are more Evertons and Sheff Utds and Bournemouths in the PL than there are City’s and Tottenham’s. These first three games won’t define our season, it’s the games against the bottom half sides that will. After the seemingly dubious set of fixtures we were given at the start of the season we were always going to be playing catch up, and I think we will.

I think you've got it spot on and let's move on from this over- reaction to the first 3 games. There will be other games we will struggle for results but I don't expect the likes of the 3 bottom half sides you have mentioned will provide them.

[CoolClaret]

that can't be a serious comment unless:

A: You have been asleep for the past 14 months
B: You have been asleep for the past 14 months
C: You have been asleep for the past 14 months

It’s a fair comment tbh. Pace was quoted:

January 2021 - “Sean Dyche has a job for life if he likes”, per the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... rman-alan/

September 2021 upon Dyche signing a new contract - “We love Sean to death. We want Sean to be here for a long time. If it was up to me I'd write a contract for 10 years”

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 587696.amp

As we all know Dyche was sacked the following April - just 6 months into his new deal, let alone 10 years or a lifetime!

ALK have backed Kompany massively. If they feel like he hasn’t done enough by a certain time period (whenever that maybe), despite any PR that has been put out like the ‘dating the prettiest girl in town’ stuff then they’ll pull the trigger.

[Spijed]

a very good Spurs team who I think will be in the top 4 if not challenging top 2 come the end of the season

Certainly high praise for Spurs who so far have had a very kind fixture list - Brentford, Man U, Bournemouth & Burnley.

[bf2k]

Certainly high praise for Spurs who so far have had a very kind fixture list - Brentford, Man U, Bournemouth & Burnley.

I see something different in them that I’ve not seen in a Spurs side for years. They have some very good players and a manager who seems very level headed and not a cry baby like their last few.

[DCWat]

It’s a fair comment tbh. Pace was quoted:

January 2021 - “Sean Dyche has a job for life if he likes”, per the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... rman-alan/

September 2021 upon Dyche signing a new contract - “We love Sean to death. We want Sean to be here for a long time. If it was up to me I'd write a contract for 10 years”

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 587696.amp

As we all know Dyche was sacked the following April - just 6 months into his new deal, let alone 10 years or a lifetime!

ALK have backed Kompany massively. If they feel like he hasn’t done enough by a certain time period (whenever that maybe), despite any PR that has been put out like the ‘dating the prettiest girl in town’ stuff then they’ll pull the trigger.

I wonder how much harder that trigger might be to pull, this time around (not that I’m advocating it, by any stretch).

Every signing is here because of Kompany, it appears to be his scouting and analytics that is unearthing the talent and he has a huge back room team behind him. It’d cost a lot of money, that we can ill afford, to clear the decks again.

The upheaval would be significantly greater than when Dyche left and that was only eased by what Kompany brought to the table.

Credit has to go to Pace for making a damn good choice. It’ll be much trickier next time though, especially if we aren’t at the top table and that time comes before many of the signings have realised their potential.

Pace needs Kompany to stick around for a good while and he needs to see a good number of his signings increase significantly in value.

[CoolClaret]

I wonder how much harder that trigger might be to pull, this time around (not that I’m advocating it, by any stretch).

Every signing is here because of Kompany, it appears to be his scouting and analytics that is unearthing the talent and he has a huge back room team behind him. It’d cost a lot of money, that we can ill afford, to clear the decks again.

The upheaval would be significantly greater than when Dyche left and that was only eased by what Kompany brought to the table.

Credit has to go to Pace for making a damn good choice. It’ll be much trickier next time though, especially if we aren’t at the top table and that time comes before many of the signings have realised their potential.

Pace needs Kompany to stick around for a good while and he needs to see a good number of his signings increase significantly in value.

In full agreement with your post.

Re the first point - who knows, I’d like to think that there’s a plan to stick to no matter what - ie 3/4 year plan and then evaluate the situation then/the time period leading up to it but we can only go on the data that’s been presented so far and that initial sacking seemed like an off the cuff sort of sacking (given the points I raised before, day of the sacking etc).

My overriding point is that words are well.. just words and aren’t necessarily a good indicator to judge people’s actions - unless that person has a track record of sticking to their word.

I will add that I sincerely doubt that Pace and co will be feeling that downbeat about the start.

As for if we had to replace him be it Kompany leaving for pastures new after a successful spell or (hopefully not) a dismissal after a bad spell then we shouldn’t worry too much… We can’t get into this notion again that our manager is sort of ‘bigger’ than the club which I feel like we did with Dyche towards the end of his tenure.

As long as there is a plan, things aren’t haphazard and our signings/recruitment fit any potential managers then it’s cool.

Look at Brighton for example - Potter had that almost Dyche like ‘he’s doing miracles at Brighton that no one else could’ and then they go and get De Zerbi and level up once again.

That isn’t to undermine or diminish Dyche or Potter’s respective achievements - for which I’m truly impressed and grateful for (in Dyche’s case), more that it’s next man up. Always have a succession plan, but be rational!

[Newcastleclaret93]

It’s a fair comment tbh. Pace was quoted:

January 2021 - “Sean Dyche has a job for life if he likes”, per the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... rman-alan/

September 2021 upon Dyche signing a new contract - “We love Sean to death. We want Sean to be here for a long time. If it was up to me I'd write a contract for 10 years”

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 587696.amp

As we all know Dyche was sacked the following April - just 6 months into his new deal, let alone 10 years or a lifetime!

ALK have backed Kompany massively. If they feel like he hasn’t done enough by a certain time period (whenever that maybe), despite any PR that has been put out like the ‘dating the prettiest girl in town’ stuff then they’ll pull the trigger.

People quickly forget about the ALK and Dyche relationship.

If VK is looking like relegation is on the cards I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him go.

ALK prioritise staying in the prem over anything

[Vegas Claret]

It’s a fair comment tbh. Pace was quoted:

January 2021 - “Sean Dyche has a job for life if he likes”, per the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... rman-alan/

September 2021 upon Dyche signing a new contract - “We love Sean to death. We want Sean to be here for a long time. If it was up to me I'd write a contract for 10 years”

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/f ... 587696.amp

As we all know Dyche was sacked the following April - just 6 months into his new deal, let alone 10 years or a lifetime!

ALK have backed Kompany massively. If they feel like he hasn’t done enough by a certain time period (whenever that maybe), despite any PR that has been put out like the ‘dating the prettiest girl in town’ stuff then they’ll pull the trigger.

what DC Watt says, the two circumstances are light years apart. We were massively beyond the end of Dyche's time and with VK we are barely at the start. Proper chalk and cheese stuff