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I don't think theres any bias here, i just think the referees are awful at interpreting the actions of players who are literally responding to split second stimulae. But they're looking at it in slow motion. The ball wasn't nearly far enough away from Berge that hed attempt or risk a deliberate handball. But his body movement, trying to trap the ball in his shoulder, looks as if he's "moving his arm toward the ball". It's a complete lack of awareness and judgement of natural physical movement
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Their player running up to the ref drawing a tv for him
Look at is a disgrace :: in the 94th minute a bit of a tussle and he gets Foster sent off for virtually nothing .:he should be ashamed
Look at is a disgrace :: in the 94th minute a bit of a tussle and he gets Foster sent off for virtually nothing .:he should be ashamed
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Good battling draw and some lovely football played at times. The Gods were against us twice tonight unfortunately but we can take a lot away from the game
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Better team over 90 minutes
Much more balance
Real game changers on the bench
Lots to be happy with
But...
The worst referee I can remember, still being the worst referee I can remember
VAR confusing as ever
Could have conceded more against better opposition
Lots to be apprehensive about
Much more balance
Real game changers on the bench
Lots to be happy with
But...
The worst referee I can remember, still being the worst referee I can remember
VAR confusing as ever
Could have conceded more against better opposition
Lots to be apprehensive about
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Refs decide results. Jones must have had a wedge on the draw. Attention seeking T***
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Pretty certain you can’t contest them after the ref looks at the monitor?
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Seen the foster sending off from ano angle now, and its fair enough red card
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I know what you are saying, but the ref was reacting to the crowd early doors and proved that with his Yellow for Trafford.willsclarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:51 pmI don't think theres any bias here, i just think the referees are awful at interpreting the actions of players who are literally responding to split second stimulae. But they're looking at it in slow motion. The ball wasn't nearly far enough away from Berge that hed attempt or risk a deliberate handball. But his body movement, trying to trap the ball in his shoulder, looks as if he's "moving his arm toward the ball". It's a complete lack of awareness and judgement of natural physical movement
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Not a chance
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VAR says he deliberately moved his arm to control the ball so HANDBALL, ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT
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As much as I dislike Carragher. He and Thomas Frank are spot on on these key moments tonight.
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A good point away.
I think the VAR decision to disallow what imo was a perfectly good goal, was made far far too quickly.
It was obvious top half of chest and shoulder...which is not handball.
VAR is destroying our beautiful game. It has completely taken away the human element.
I think the VAR decision to disallow what imo was a perfectly good goal, was made far far too quickly.
It was obvious top half of chest and shoulder...which is not handball.
VAR is destroying our beautiful game. It has completely taken away the human element.
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Hope not
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Howard Webb needs to step this clown down and his var spoiling the spectacle
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I hate this "And the referee has been asked to look at the monitor and you know what this means" schtick. Why has this act turned into a foregone conclusion? Such a charade.
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I can understand why our goal might not have been given. Was it a clear and obvious error? I'm not so sure Arsenal have that overturned.
I hope this isn't another one of those Norwich City away moments. I still can't believe how we weren't awarded that penalty when Krul took Vyrda's head off. Those 2 points might have kept us up.
I hope this isn't another one of those Norwich City away moments. I still can't believe how we weren't awarded that penalty when Krul took Vyrda's head off. Those 2 points might have kept us up.
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So impressed with Kompanys interview. He must have a view on the Berge handball but hes taken it all in good humor and focussing on things he can control
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Totally agree.willsclarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:45 pmI think they should only be allowed to look at incidents at full speed, but as many times as they like. Intent looks very different when its slowed right down
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I'd love to see some referees with some clout and bottle - who go up to the monitor and disagree with the plebs in the control room who clearly have no idea what they're talking about. That's what we're lacking. Missing the likes of Mike Dean who stick to their guns. "Clear and obvious" is the phrase that keeps getting thrown around - it's a myth.
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There’s no way it’s clear and obvious. It’s so close to his sleeve there is no conclusive angle to show it was below t shirt line. Even then it’s not deliberate.JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pmI can understand why our goal might not have been given. Was it a clear and obvious error? I'm not so sure Arsenal have that overturned.
I hope this isn't another one of those Norwich City away moments. I still can't believe how we weren't awarded that penalty when Krul took Vyrda's head off. Those 2 points might have kept us up.
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One is handball and one isn't, ******* joke VAR
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I know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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The ref looked at the monitor on the villa game this weekend and stuck with his decisionStockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:54 pmPretty certain you can’t contest them after the ref looks at the monitor?
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I don't know how he does it and at this point I'd honestly find it cathartic to see someone give a Ternent-tier rant at it all. Stick Bellers on press duty next time and just let him take the touchline ban.willsclarets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:59 pmSo impressed with Kompanys interview. He must have a view on the Berge handball but hes taken it all in good humor and focussing on things he can control
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I beg to differ...
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He was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 9:44 pm100% improvement so that’s good. Charlie just saved you £30m VK!
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Would you rather go with no CF?
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He's not the only forward at the club you know
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tresor Amdouni koleosho
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Beauty of football.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
I thought his touch was excellent. I thought he moved the ball quickly and kept the game flowing. I thought he looked good.
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I'd love to see an opposition manager come out and publically criticise VAR when decisions go their way - why can't Cooper come out and say "We got away with one today, VAR was shocking and needs looking at". Me thinks they're too happy the results go their way and don't care for the future of the game.
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Amazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
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Isn't that the first time this season they have played with 4 at the back and two wingers?Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pmHe was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.
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Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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Cooper: ‘it was a clear handball so we go with it’
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I'll have some of that123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pmAmazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
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I love charlie and he played well tonight, but ian maatsen is on a completely different level. And I think their respective careers will bear that outTricky Trevor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pmHe was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.
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Thought he played well personally.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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Yep, agree with all of this. That three in midfield will be very strong and it’s crazy it’s not been seen as yet from the start.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pmAmazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
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Properly mental.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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In this less experimental line up Taylor is more than adequate, if you want an attacking wing back/ left winger than Maatsen is better but I think having Luca on the left wing negates that now, what a game he had! Ian who?Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:06 pmHe was excellent but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he was only selected because they went with two out and out wingers, CHO & Elanga. Against a side not playing two wingers we’ll go a different way, although I hope not.
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You must have been watching a different match. The guy is class.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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I hope we will see Berge advanced with Brownhill and Cullen behind him with Amdouni on the wing (that way he can be more involved) very soon, maybe even in the next game.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pmAmazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
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On reflection and after seeing the other angle it was a just red card. Still fuming at the ridiculous non handball to disallow our winner though
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Completely agree with that and the team for United123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:09 pmAmazing what having full backs in their right positions, brownhills legs next to Cullen does for a team.
Also it’s clear that berge can become a real player in a midfield 3
On Saturday the same back 5 with them Cullen brownhill berge tresor Amdouni koleosho
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I actually thought that he didn't have a poor touch. Very impressed so far.Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.
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Nonayforever wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:03 pmI know it was only a cameo appearance, but Tresor didn't impress me in the short time he was on although he did see plenty of the ball.