HST2

[Roger1960]

The fact that there is only 1 direct train an hour to either Leeds or Manchester from Burnley indicates how little the government cares about the regional economies . High Wycombe is about the same distance from London as Burnley is to Manchester and virtually identical population and it has 4 trains an hour 5 in the peak to the city.

[Billy Balfour]

If you think about it, Sunak is the true king of cancel culture.

[TheFamilyCat]

If you think about it, Sunak is the true king of cancel culture.

Maybe he's got confused between trains and trans.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Maybe it’s time for everyone to ‘stand up and fight’ ‘stand up and fight’ for a decent transport infrastructure in the north. Because when you ‘stand up and fight’….

[aggi]

Looks like they've already started to cancel some of the Northern projects they announced yesterday
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... e-27848664

All depressingly predictable, there were threads on here years ago predicting this would happen.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Looks like they've already started to cancel some of the Northern projects they announced yesterday
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... e-27848664

All depressingly predictable, there were threads on here years ago predicting this would happen.

Wow that is a huge surprise! Sunlit uplands.

[dougcollins]

The Leeds tram has already cost millions over the past 25 to never happen. God only knows what it would cost to actually start building it.

Largest European City to have neither a tram or tube/metro network.

I use the Leeds inner road system daily and there is nothing more ****** up than that.

[Billy Balfour]

Looks like they've already started to cancel some of the Northern projects they announced yesterday
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... e-27848664

All depressingly predictable, there were threads on here years ago predicting this would happen.

24 hours after a major speech and policy announcement, eh? This is quite staggering, even by their recent 'standards'.

[evensteadiereddie]

Maybe it’s time for everyone to ‘stand up and fight’ ‘stand up and fight’ for a decent transport infrastructure in the north. Because when you ‘stand up and fight’….

You're labelled weird and a troublemaker and the government conjures up yet another law to prevent protest happening.
People who lose a few minutes of their time are up in arms and the Daily Mail has a field day making stuff up about the disruption costing lives.
Northerners, as they always seem to do, will believe and accept all the crap that is heading their way.

[aggi]

And we'll have to wait and see whether it will go to Euston.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67021225

[Taffy on the wing]

You're labelled weird and a troublemaker and the government conjures up yet another law to prevent protest happening.
People who lose a few minutes of their time are up in arms and the Daily Mail has a field day making stuff up about the disruption costing lives.
Northerners, as they always seem to do, will believe and accept all the crap that is heading their way.

Not only that.......they'll shoot themselves in the foot & vote Conservative again.

[evensteadiereddie]

Indeed. One of the most bizarre things about this is that the absolutely huge amount of construction work at Streethay, just south of Burton on Trent near here, is going to be a permanent reminder of this government's idiocy.
Slap bang in the middle of Fabric*nt's constituency which is nice.
There's been a 40 mph limit on the A38 for what seems like years now, causing huge problems daily.
I wonder if that will ever be abolished.
I guess it's the same for many, many sites along the route from Brum.
Grotesque.

[dougcollins]

Not only that.......they'll shoot themselves in the foot & vote Conservative again.

That's the most baffling part.

[BobSykes]

Indeed. One of the most bizarre things about this is that the absolutely huge amount of construction work at Streethay, just south of Burton on Trent near here, is going to be a permanent reminder of this government's idiocy.
Slap bang in the middle of Fabric*nt's constituency which is nice.
There's been a 40 mph limit on the A38 for what seems like years now, causing huge problems daily.
I wonder if that will ever be abolished.
I guess it's the same for many, many sites along the route from Brum.
Grotesque.

This will be where the new high speed line from London ties in with the existing west coast line up to the north. This will be used. Its the not yet started work north of Lichfield which will never happen.

[evensteadiereddie]

So it's going as far as Lichfield?

[Big Vinny K]

Perfect summary

https://x.com/russell_kane/status/17098 ... Xq4kCsZkkQ

[TheFamilyCat]

Largest European City to have neither a tram or tube/metro network.

I use the Leeds inner road system daily and there is nothing more ****** up than that.

They've also spent the last few years digging up all the roads in and out of the city centre to make bus and cycle lanes. There's no way they're going to do it all again for trams.

[Billy Balfour]

Look at the state of this.

Here are 10 dodgy bits in and around the Network North announcement:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nouncement

[BobSykes]

So it's going as far as Lichfield?

"23.So we will complete Phase 1 of HS2 between London and the West Midlands as planned. There will be two branches: one to central Birmingham; and one to Handsacre, near Lichfield, meaning passengers will be able to travel on HS2 trains through to Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland, joining the West Coast Main Line for the rest of their journeys."

[daveisaclaret]

Rishi Sunak, knowing he will never be elected PM, has clocked on that there's loads of land been bought for HS2 that the government can flog at discounted rates to people who just so happen to be cronies of the Tories.

It's one hell of a shame that there's no effective opposition and we're just going to elect a government that believes all the same things but has a better vibe, but that's what the people of this country want and deserve.

[Clovius Boofus]

Rishi Sunak, knowing he will never be elected PM, has clocked on that there's loads of land been bought for HS2 that the government can flog at discounted rates to people who just so happen to be cronies of the Tories.

Those in rural areas who live near the route, but weren't going to be touched by HS2, must have thought they had dodged a bullet when the plans were submitted. If I was them, I would be more than a little concerned by its cancellation. The land already has planning permission, and this will be easy to change. They'll end up being surrounded by new-build. The only fast-tracking they are going to see will be the planning permission.

[Clovius Boofus]

Government bought £1.5m house on HS2 line less than 24 hours before Rishi Sunak cancelled it.

https://inews.co.uk/news/government-bou ... rticle-top

[Roger1960]

And now the government is going to sell off the land it doesn’t need ASAP to make it unviable for a future labour government to resurrect it , I don’t agree HS2 is a good use of money but this just smacks of childish dog in a manger behaviour typical of so many politicians

[aggi]

Well, looks like the Network North spending is starting and they're serious about using it to bring benefits to the North:

[It Is What It Is]

Looks like they've already started to cancel some of the Northern projects they announced yesterday
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... e-27848664

All depressingly predictable, there were threads on here years ago predicting this would happen.

Every place north of Watford have been played.
Loads of promises of investments, Northern Power House ( more like steam house ), HS2, new commuter infrastructure across the North...etc etc.
All that just to get into government and line the Tory coffers, with backhanders, backstabbings, corruption, lies, lies and more lies.
We were all conned.
The south is treated completely different..as if it was the only thing that matters...need a Northern PM...wish Andy Burnham and Lisa Nandy would throw their hat in the Labour ring.

[Goliath]

Well, looks like the Network North spending is starting and they're serious about using it to bring benefits to the North:

A train link from Rawtenstall to Manchester would be a good start.

[Stayingup]

A train link from Rawtenstall to Manchester would be a good start.

Yes and when Dr Beeching closed the line the MP at the time should have staged a massive protest. Beautiful stone bridges went on the line to Bacup. Cultural sabotage.

[Stayingup]

I haven't read all this thread but I think had HS2 been started in the north it would have been completed. In fact I read that HS1 standard would have been sufficient. HS1 is, of course, a line in the South East.

[NewClaret]

Government bought £1.5m house on HS2 line less than 24 hours before Rishi Sunak cancelled it.

https://inews.co.uk/news/government-bou ... rticle-top

And rightly so. The sale of that house has probably been going on for years and blighted someone’s life all that time. They shouldn’t back out of commitments just because prime ministers can’t make up their minds.

[SydneyClaret]

The North has always been an inconvenience for London. Should have joined forces with Scotland years ago.

[elwaclaret]

The North has always been an inconvenience for London. Should have joined forces with Scotland years ago.

Certainly for Whitehall. London centricity is relatively new. Until the late 70’s London was one of the cheapest places in Britain to live… because it was a dump. Privatisation of public services… trains, gas, electric, water etc… that we were told would mean state of the art tech from the private sector in reality was a cash grab to build London into what it is, at the cost of the country… but particularly the North… That had made the country wealthy again, after the Government had more or less bankrupted the country paying the upper class slave owners to release slaves (but nothing for those that had been put in bondage) prior to the Industrial Revolution. That is the ruling class… that we are supposed to look up to and admire btw.

[Taffy on the wing]

Every place north of Watford have been played.
Loads of promises of investments, Northern Power House ( more like steam house ), HS2, new commuter infrastructure across the North...etc etc.
All that just to get into government and line the Tory coffers, with backhanders, backstabbings, corruption, lies, lies and more lies.
We were all conned.
The south is treated completely different..as if it was the only thing that matters...need a Northern PM...wish Andy Burnham and Lisa Nandy would throw their hat in the Labour ring.

They'll do it again at the next Election.....people can never get enough abuse!

[Woodleyclaret]

Unnecessary. You can get from Reading to Manchester in around 2.5 hrs via Birmingham why go faster ?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Unnecessary. You can get from Reading to Manchester in around 2.5 hrs via Birmingham why go faster ?

On which reliable train service?

[Clovius Boofus]

Did anyone see the backtracking the day after Sunak announced a load of projects when he scrapped HS2? Half of the projects were made up on the hoof and didn't exist. The next day, the Department for Transport basically admitted this after being dragged over the coals by MPs and journalists. It was blatantly obvious from the start that we (in the north) had been conned yet again.

It's a bit like Chelsea v Grimsby Town - every sodding week. Or, to put it another way, South East PLC v Northern Wastelands. Levelling Up? Here are some crumbs from our table - now p1ss off.