Gustos’ red card.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Sep 24, 2023 11:52 pm

Not sure where I stand on this. He has clearly played the ball first, he hasn’t really gone over the ball and he is not out of control as his left leg is planted. He has also clearly caught Dignes’ ankle but there was no intent. Now some follow through are deliberate to injure an opponent, this isn’t one of them.

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Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:53 am

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:08 am

Because referees don't.understand the game. VAR needs ex pro's plain and simple

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:35 am

Can I ask. Looking at the second picture what would your thoughts be if (Digne) it had been our player on the receiving end. I haven’t seen the game or the highlights just those two attached photos.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:43 am

I thought this was another example of the ref on the field getting it right, but his mate in a room with slo motion replays and stills unpicking his good work and finding enough to confuse and cloud his judgement, to make him think he’d got it wrong. He should have stuck with his original call.

It wasn’t anywhere near as dangerous as the Arsenal striker on the Spurs keeper.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:53 am

I thought original booking was correct

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:27 am

It wasn't even a foul, never mind a red card.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:52 am

beddie wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:35 am
Can I ask. Looking at the second picture what would your thoughts be if (Digne) it had been our player on the receiving end. I haven’t seen the game or the highlights just those two attached photos.

I’m leaning more to innocent. The photo and outcome should be irrelevant. It’s his actions and intentions that should count and as he’s played the ball first I feel for him.
Will a 3 match ban put him out of our game on Oct7th?

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:28 am

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:27 am
It wasn't even a foul, never mind a red card.

I agree. Ball was easily won by him and pushed through the attacker. The attacker was late arriving and therefore responsible for the aftermath.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:50 am

It can't be deliberate, how can he guess where Digne will end up, to follow through to?

Claret · Post by **Claret** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 10:47 am

Definitely not a sending off offence. Not only is the VAR making a pig’s ear of things yet again but even the MOTD pundits saying it was a correct red card. WTF is the game coming to!

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 11:16 am

Can they appeal it?

Claretnick · Post by **Claretnick** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:26 pm

I am only going off the photos shown on this thread, I didn't see the incident live.
VAR must have deemed the incident as serious foul play, which is defined in Law 12 as;
"A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play".

The referee must have deemed the challenge reckless to issue a yellow, VAR must have decided the force used was excessive.
Should VAR have got involved seeing as the ref dealt with the incident?
There's that many rule changes, soon there will be lawyers pitchside determining decisions

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 4:33 pm

That second picture distorts what really happened. What if Digne got to the ball first ? Digne looked from his body shape that he was not pulling out either.

The Arsenal foul on the keeper was blatant - the ball was nowhere near and it was completely reckless to go through the keeper.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:09 pm

The still photo doesn’t show what happened at all well. It was much slower than the photo suggests……if that make sense.

He’s gone in, won the ball and then caught Digne with no real force or malice. A yellow was maybe right on the basis it was little clumsy, but a red was very harsh.

quoonbeatz · Post by **quoonbeatz** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:24 pm

The thing is with this one is that anyone who has played football knows that it's just one of those things that happens in football but we're seeing things that just happen in football given as fouls, yellow and in this daft case, red cards. All because the officials have never really played the game and don't understand it. There were some really, really bad, big decisions this weekend and this was certainly one of them.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:34 pm

Are Manchester United and Chelsea no longer big clubs?

I'm asking because VAR decisions went against both last weekend, and following the Forest game it was all about big clubs getting the decisions and a conspiracy to get Burnley relegated!

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:01 pm

I've seen the incident. And now the photos. And I saw the slow motion version too. The slower it is, the worse it looks. He went in to win the ball, and he didn't really go in dangerously. It ends up as a potential leg breaker through bad luck essentially. Football is a contact sport, and you can't eliminate all risk, but referees seem to want to punish anything that could even remotely be dangerous. Accidents will happen. And that's just life. I'm all for punishing deliberately dangerous play, or obvious reckless endangerment. But I don't think this warrants a red

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:04 pm

Nketiah was very fortunate to only receive a yellow too for his lunge at the Spurs GK.

Nowhere near the ball, studs up, whole body off the ground at one point, and clattered the GK with his trailing leg.

Was easily worse than Zaroury’s and had that been a non top 6 club player making that challenge, the player would’ve been off.

2 Bee Holed · Post by **2 Bee Holed** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:05 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:34 pm
Are Manchester United and Chelsea no longer big clubs?

I'm asking because VAR decisions went against both last weekend, and following the Forest game it was all about big clubs getting the decisions and a conspiracy to get Burnley relegated!

Please just remind me which VAR decision went against Man Utd. this weekend.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:10 pm

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:05 pm
Please just remind me which VAR decision went against Man Utd. this weekend.

They had a 'goal' chalked off in the first half.

Correct decision IMO, but if it was all about big clubs getting the decisions, then it would have been allowed to stand.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:36 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 6:10 pm
They had a 'goal' chalked off in the first half.

Correct decision IMO, but if it was all about big clubs getting the decisions, then it would have been allowed to stand.

I think that you’re deliberately misunderstanding the wider point about the bigger clubs. Of course some VAR decisions will go against them.

They get away with far more than smaller clubs and get the rub of the green more often than not. The United goal was disallowed because it would have been ridiculous not to disallow it. They did get away with an horrendous error against Wolves.

Suggestions there is a conspiracy against us are ridiculous but it’s undeniable that the big clubs benefit more Thant everybody else and if it goes against them we Albert about it for days.

There would have been multiple references to the Berge handball this weekend had it been a big club shafted. As it is, despite the same VAR allowing the Gordon handball it was barely mentioned.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:41 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:36 pm
I think that you’re deliberately misunderstanding the wider point about the bigger clubs. Of course some VAR decisions will go against them.

They get away with far more than smaller clubs and get the rub of the green more often than not. The United goal was disallowed because it would have been ridiculous not to disallow it. They did get away with an horrendous error against Wolves.

Suggestions there is a conspiracy against us are ridiculous but it’s undeniable that the big clubs benefit more Thant everybody else and if it goes against them we Albert about it for days.

There would have been multiple references to the Berge handball this weekend had it been a big club shafted. As it is, despite the same VAR allowing the Gordon handball it was barely mentioned.

I've no idea what an Albert is, but you seem to be saying that the officials favour them... sometimes. Okay then.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 8:24 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 7:41 pm
I've no idea what an Albert is, but you seem to be saying that the officials favour them... sometimes. Okay then.

Ok clever dick.

That should have said “hear about it”. Wasn’t hard to work it out.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:00 pm

Everything can be made to look worse when you’re using tools like slow motion, still shots and the right angle. That’s a huge issue with VAR

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:07 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 25, 2023 9:00 pm
Everything can be made to look worse when you’re using tools like slow motion, still shots and the right angle. That’s a huge issue with VAR

Yes, I’d say it’s the number 1 issue with VAR.

In slow motion, imperceptible movements that are barely visible when at normal speed get blown out of proportion and context.

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