Clarets Vs Newcastle

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:53 pm

Hard to see where a goal will come from or even a win at this rate

Iloveyoubrady · Post by **Iloveyoubrady** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm

God Ramsey hasn’t kept the ball yet. Berge is class but we do slightly lack the ability needed to play this way against the top top sides.

Think we need more of a winger on the left side as everything so far has been Amdouni and Koleosho. Now they are getting doubled up on, get a winger out on the left. Odobert for me.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm

Worth remembering 4 of the first 5 games have come against teams likely to finish in the top 8 if not the top 6. I'll judge where we are when we've played at least 5 or 6 games against the bottom 10-12 clubs and if we're still looking like a bottom 3 side then I'll start to worry

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:50 pm
Bruno has absolutely eaten Cullen alive in that half

No surprise there

Cullen, like the rest of our midfield just can't cope with the pace, skill and strength of this league

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:55 pm

Said before the game Brownhill needed to have a good game today and he's gone missing in the first half. I'd be tempted to bring Cork on.

upanatem · Post by **upanatem** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:55 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:52 pm
You know who...

Many thanks.

Ha! Ha! Thought so. Last name begins with, let me think... B?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:56 pm

Looking at the goal replay, what is Taylor doing? Pretty poor defending for someone so experienced.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Commy wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:34 pm
Muric might have been better as he can do long passes. Trafford keeps trying to hit Koleosho and he is too small to win it.

Is Trafford thick of what ? Koleosho 5’ 6 against Burns 6’ 6” and he has them in an heading contest.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:57 pm

other than first 10 minutes been all Newcastle got to get Zaroury on for Ramsey because Tripper as had him in is pocket.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Time for a Mike Masterclass!

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Thought Ramsey was fouled .

Nah he dwelt on the ball too long and Trippier was excellent in nicking it off him

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:58 pm

Ramsey needs subbing before the 2nd

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Nothing working at the minute.

Tactics, passing, competing, 2nd best at everything.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:53 pm
Thought Ramsey was fouled .

I thought at the time Tripps caught him with a great challenge that has always been fine .... but these days are often given as fouls.

I think we are too lightweight like someone else has said. As usual, our style has given them their goal. I just can't see us scoring, as has become routine.

They are diving all over the place and getting a lot of bookings against us for fairly soft challenges.

Worth noting that they haven't looked anywhere near as dangerous as they looked against Sheff U. I hope I don't regret saying that.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Over the years with Taylor he has been great at stopping the byline ball but less good stopping the winger cutting onto his left a la Benson.

Assuming that was the goal today but haven’t seen it yet.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm
No surprise there

Cullen, like the rest of our midfield just can't cope with the pace, skill and strength of this league

Berge should be more than good enough though.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

All the team look a yard slower than the Saudis ,it’s not physically it’s just their reaction timing .

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm
Worth remembering 4 of the first 5 games have come against teams likely to finish in the top 8 if not the top 6. I'll judge where we are when we've played at least 5 or 6 games against the bottom 10-12 clubs and if we're still looking like a bottom 3 side then I'll start to worry

That's all good & well & you may well be right but the way things are going we'll need to beat them or at least draw more of them because we ain't getting anything from the top sides, an odd draw here or there would make the must wins & not loses less pressurised.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:59 pm
Over the years with Taylor he has been great at stopping the byline ball but less good stopping the winger cutting onto his left a la Benson.

Assuming that was the goal today but haven’t seen it yet.

Yep that was it

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm

A lot can change - and it needs to - but at the moment we're looking like Norwich do/did when they're in the Prem. Keep the ball well but soft, small, score too few goals and concede too many too easily.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm

My controversial take so far, is VK is struggling considerably more than I expected him to.

Tactics today have been so poor.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:01 pm

Bullied all over the park first half. Nothing working at all

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:01 pm

whiffa wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:55 pm
Said before the game Brownhill needed to have a good game today and he's gone missing in the first half. I'd be tempted to bring Cork on.

For all his footballing intelligence Cork is ponderous and would be eaten alive by Newcastle's pace in midfield. If we had to change the centre the only viable option would be Gudmundsson, or playing Tresor deeper which I'm not sure he can do.
Ramsey's been anonymous. I'd consider Zaroury or Brun Larsen after midweek, or again, Tresor.
Not sure how we get back into this regardless but we need something. We're outran and outmuscled constantly, too slow and not nearly enough bite or physicality, just can't get play going nearly enough.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:01 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:50 pm
The key areas weren’t sorted.

My hope is that we can keep pace until January and then address the problem areas - central midfield and full backs, another striker and possibly another centre half.

That we appear quite so short in various areas, despite what we have spent and how many we have brought in, isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the business we did over the summer.

It’s been a very hard start which we have to take into consideration but by God our midfield looks weak and lacking on the ball.

We’re going to have to beat the sides around if we’ve any chance of keeping pace because the sides above those are completely out of reach for us.

Luton on Tuesday is absolutely huge.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm
My controversial take so far, is VK is struggling considerably more than I expected him to.

Tactics today have been so poor.

Don’t think it’s controversial at all, he’s struggling to figure out his best team that’s for certain and tactics wise who knows but against trippier and burn, 2 good defenders but not blessed with pace, 2 out and out wingers would of made more sense then Ramsey out wide

CryerBFC · Post by **CryerBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:53 pm
No controversy I am just really struggling with our tactics today.

Really not sure what VK is expecting from Trafford with the ball at his feet today. They are pressing our defence into mistakes so he is having to go long, but up top we literally have the three smallest players on the pitch.

I personally think Jay has got to come on just to give us an out ball

I agree with you mate. The tactics appear to be wrong.

As that half went on, I start to think about the intensity of our training. Are the lads actually being put in pressured situations, or are they typically just knocking it about and scoring wonder goals. I don’t feel like there’s any grit or fight in us. We go one down, get hurried on the ball and then start making daft fouls and picking up bookings.

Amdouni playing up front is a waste of a position in a game like this, he likes to make that last minute run or linger around the edge of the box. We need a striker and it’s become ever more apparent whilst Foster has been out.

I’m hoping for a turn around second half but not holding my breath.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:01 pm
We’re going to have to beat the sides around if we’ve any chance of keeping pace because the sides above those are completely out of reach for us.

Luton on Tuesday is absolutely huge.

Must win game, just for confidence if not points

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm
My controversial take so far, is VK is struggling considerably more than I expected him to.

Tactics today have been so poor.

I just don't understand how he seemingly thinks we can pass our way through sides as easily as we did last season. I was enthusiastic in the summer, and I still am. But like you I didn't expect us to struggle quite as much as we are doing.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

Just seen the stats Trafford pass accuracy 58% ,that’s poor.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm

A game's never over at 1-0, even against another top PL side, away from home. This was never going to be anything other than a very difficult game today.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Our midfield got bulled by longstaff and Anderson, we have to improve

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm
Must win game, just for confidence if not points

A defeat would make it incredibly difficult for us to survive.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:03 pm
Just seen the stats Trafford pass accuracy 58% ,that’s poor.

This is best pressing I have seen in a long time.

Totally understand why his stats are so low. He’s having to go long as they are pressing us to death.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:04 pm

Very surprised we have no changes?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:05 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:00 pm
My controversial take so far, is VK is struggling considerably more than I expected him to.

Tactics today have been so poor.

All goes back to the shockingly lopsided recruitment.

Lots of little wide men but very few, if any, players who will push and shove to organise and demand discipline.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:06 pm

Too many small, light-weight, naive players throughout the team. Trafford has made some good saves but his distribution is poor to say the least, backfour doing ok but no protection, Berge playing well but Cullen and Brownhill being overrun, Ramsey totally naive to lose the ball for their goal, Kolo and Amdouni powder puff against strong PL defenders. Need changes at half time.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:06 pm

Luton might be must win but this team is less suited to getting a result at Kenilworth Road than the one we had last season. We’re a pretty team, we don’t have fighters and I worry for how the atmosphere there would affect a young side.

Newcastle corner.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:07 pm

Vino blanco wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:06 pm
Need changes at half time.

The bench is full of the same sort of players as the ones on the pitch.

Lu-tze · Post by **Lu-tze** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:08 pm

Steep learning curve for Ramsey, he is showing his inexperience.
Got away with losing the ball in his own half a few times last week despite having a good game overall cos man utd were too poor to capitalise on it, you’re usually going to get punished at this level.
It’s hard cos he looks like he’s going to be a gud’un and you don’t want him to lose the positivity/creativity from his game but he needs to learn quickly when and where to take risks.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:08 pm

If you have to kick it long you need someone who can hold the ball up. JRod is the only one who has the strength and height to give them problems. Cork might be a good sub with his experience. He can calm it down and move people around where they should be. Young players learn by playing with experienced ones talking them through games.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:09 pm

Seriously think we miss Ekdal's size & physicality and Muric's passing out (although Trafford's made a few good saves today including 1 stunner).
Tella had pace like Koleosho but was a bit stronger and with a sharp finish, felt the asking prace was excessive at the time but I'm now wishing we'd got him over Ramsey.
Also on this, we also miss Barnes' physicality up front. Amdouni isn't working as a central striker.
We look like what we mostly are- a team of youngsters who can be bullied and a few lads like Brownhill/Cullen who never quite cut it at this level previously.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:09 pm

Playing out from the back is a real skill and today watching Brighton v Villa they were caught out on a number of ocassions, all nearly leading to goals. Work for the coaches

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:11 pm

spt_claret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:09 pm
Seriously think we miss Ekdal's size & physicality

He's 6ft1, tall but not necessarily tall for a centre half in the Premier League. He never stands out to me as being imposing.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:11 pm

Commentary doing my head in saying “Burger”

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Trippier has had Ramsey on toast so far.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Trippier trying to ref the game

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Lets not knock Amdouini, he is being asked to play the front man and thats a big difference in role against a difficult big team,. Said a few days ago Foster's red has cost us dearly

Noblelight · Post by **Noblelight** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Come on Burnley, big second half

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Cork for Ramsey and pushing Koleosho to the left/Berge to the right as a narrow right sided midfielder might be helpful. Granted, it won’t help us claw back the deficit…

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:13 pm

Some daft tackles going in. We've lost it since they've scored.