Clarets Vs Newcastle

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm

It's more luck and poor finishing from Newcastle that have kept this at 2-0

A few good saved from Trafford but they've generally been ones he shouldn't have to be making.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm

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jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:46 pm
I can’t say we have defended well. It should be at least 4-0 but for two excellent saves from Trafford. We have created a couple of decent openings but our profligacy in front of goal is one of our biggest issues.

Newcastle are a good side and losing is no disgrace. It’s the manner of it. We have been so naive, so careless and haphazard in midfield and defence. It’s easy to say ‘Saudi billionaires, Champions League etc etc’ but we have bloodied loads of noses of teams far better than this over the years at this level. I had hope today, I certainly thought if we played like we did against United we’d give them a good game. We simply haven’t been in the game after the first ten minutes.

This is of course spot on.

Posters will moan about negativity all day long if you give them the chance, but this is the top and bottom of it.

Turftalker · Post by **Turftalker** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm

We aren't at Newcastle's level yet, true. No one us suggesting we've been unlucky today. But let's not pretend some fans are rather enjoying the negativity and are exaggerating our predicament given our opponents.

BigGaz · Post by **BigGaz** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm

IPAclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:35 pm
Some comments on here are just laughable as per usual

We're away at a club owned by Saudi Arabia who've just drawn away at AC Milan, put 8 past Sheff Utd and beaten Man city.

Honestly don't know what some people think or expect

UTC

The Top Clarets have spoken

I don’t think anyone expects a win or expects us to dominate or make them adapt to our playing style rather than vice versa.

What I don’t think is unreasonable to expect:

Someone playing it safe and choosing one of at least two safe backwards passes instead of trying to turn his man 40 yards from goal, especially not when the ball is loose as a result of a turnover and the defence being out of shape, away from home at 0-0 against an inform side.

Not continually launching highballs to our 5’8 slip of a winger and expecting results against massive meaty Dan Burn

A center back with enough in his locker to start in the Premier League to just stand his man up after a mistake.

To get in amongst the Newcastle players a little bit between the minutes 25-70 whilst they were bullying us.

It’s a bad performance, it’s ok to call it as such and all that that can be attributable to us, not the strength of the opposition.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm

Turftalker wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:47 pm
Am I wrong though? The critics seem to be ignoring the opposition we face, the age of our team etc. I don't see why some people watch us, if they are always so negative.

So how have Luton won a game then?

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm

Turftalker wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:44 pm
I think some of you must be trolls. I've never seen such negativity so early in the season. Sofa tacticians thinking they know more than VK, with no resilience to face difficult times. With friends like you, who needs enemies. Give the team a chance!

A football messageboard isn’t for you

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm

Zom Zom wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:46 pm
Why the insult?
No need bud.

No need for sarcasm bud

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:48 pm
You can find excuses for anything if you look hard enough.

It’s not inaccurate to say we have struggled in the league so far. We don’t score goals and we concede a lot. Right now it’s not wrong to say we don’t look PL quality.

That doesn’t mean we won’t. But right now we look miles off it. Let’s be honest if it wasn’t for Trafford making some top quality saves this should have been another 4-5 Nil loss

If you take the extremely small sample size and make literal statements such as lots of goals conceded and not many scored you are correct, but to say we aren’t good enough to play premier league football would be out of context and unfair without a bigger sample size, particularly as to decide if we are at Premier league level you need to compare us to all 19 other teams not just 5 of the top 6-8 and 1 mid to bottom half team.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm

Turftalker wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:50 pm
We aren't at Newcastle's level yet, true. No one us suggesting we've been unlucky today. But let's not pretend some fans are rather enjoying the negativity and are exaggerating our predicament given our opponents.

What utter nonsense

BOYSIE31 · Post by **BOYSIE31** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm

Jay is finished at this level that I do know

Turftalker · Post by **Turftalker** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Luton haven't won yet, but they are playing Everton not Newcastle.

Casper2, I've been posting for 25 years, so I think I'm surviving alright. Just calling out those who head in to a panic and exaggerate negativity. All about opinions isn't it?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm
If you take the extremely small sample size and make literal statements such as lots of goals conceded and not many scored you are correct, but to say we aren’t good enough to play premier league football would be out of context and unfair without a bigger sample size, particularly as to decide if we are at Premier league level you need to compare us to all 19 other teams not just 5 of the top 6-8 and 1 mid to bottom half team.

But we can't afford to lose against any of the bottom sides. They are now must win games, starting on Tuesday.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:48 pm
That’s fair and I can see your point. I think as a unit we have defended pretty well, but maybe I’m clutching at straws to keep perspective/positive moving forward.

I get it mate, and I’m not saying this squad hasn’t a hope or anything like that - this game has been a real tough one though.

My biggest concern is how Kompany keeps their heads up going into games against teams we have to beat. Luton looks a huge game and I have concerns the make up of this new team may lack a bit of character and bottle needed for such a fight, and indeed the wider relegation battle itself.

Foster will make a difference but that midfield and defence gives me kittens at the moment.

Stacky_claret · Post by **Stacky_claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:44 pm
The run of fixtures has been a shocker and given we should have had 3 points at Forest gives me hope moving forward.

Fair to say today has been a complete mis match though.

A bit of realism
If you went through the fixtures before season kicked off I have us 1 point behind where I thought the results would go ,which was a draw at home v Villa but having seen them this season I probably wouldn’t have gone with a draw against them lol
We are IMO unfortunate not to be in front with the disallowed goal at Forest

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Just because we are playing good teams doesn’t mean fans aren’t allowed to call our basic mistakes, you can lose to the big teams like we did against united playing well then there’s this today, we have been given the absolute runaround

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm
Jay is finished at this level that I do know

Sadly we knew this some time ago

Zom Zom · Post by **Zom Zom** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm

Safron wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm
No need for sarcasm bud

What sarcasm?

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:54 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:45 pm
Absolutely.

Was the same last season at this stage. Trolls calling VK out. They went a bit quiet by Christmas. Weak characters.

Do you think results had a bearing on that

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:54 pm

To be fair, I would genuinely be interested to hear what the more negative feeling fans had/do expect from us so far this season? It’s not a dig, but in terms of points I’m not surprised given the opposition played. The only thing I expected better was our defence being split open nearly every attack against spurs and villa

IPAclaret · Post by **IPAclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:54 pm

Safron
No pal, we just aren't good enough at this level
[/quote]

Well that's pretty obvious. Still doesn't detract from the usual pathetic whinging.

And in any case, who would you expect us get points against...
Man city, A villa, spurs, Man Utd and Newcastle ??

We've had an unbelievably difficult start.

6 games in and most on here are throwing the towel in

Turftalker · Post by **Turftalker** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:55 pm

In what sense is it nonsense? Last season we had a group of posters who went OTT with negativity early ob. Same happening again now. Fair critique is fine, but my, some overly negative comments today.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:55 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm
Jay is finished at this level that I do know

A couple of people will have your head for saying it but he was finished at this level 3 years ago.
Brun Larsen's played central in his career, he's no striker but I'd play him there over Jay and make a backup striker a priority even if it means recalling the black sheep Weghorst. Amdouni is a good player but not a striker either and we desperately need a second one in.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:55 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm
Jay is finished at this level that I do know

Forgot he was on the pitch

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:55 pm

Oh well, at least the Eeyore's on here can start preparing for life in the Championship. I mean, the season is clearly over after little more than a handful of games.

Robbie_painter · Post by **Robbie_painter** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:55 pm

Apart from the first ten minutes it’s been very poor today.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm

we are definitely a team in transaction. we have to pick ourselves up and go and win at Luton nothing less .

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm

Palace demonstrating what an opportunity we missed playing Man U at the moment. Missed good early chances in that one, missed good early chances today.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm
I get it mate, and I’m not saying this squad hasn’t a hope or anything like that - this game has been a real tough one though.

My biggest concern is how Kompany keeps their heads up going into games against teams we have to beat. Luton looks a huge game and I have concerns the make up of this new team may lack a bit of character and bottle needed for such a fight, and indeed the wider relegation battle itself.

Foster will make a difference but that midfield and defence gives me kittens at the moment.

Honestly, the opposition we’ve played is the only thing keeping me positive. If we perform like we have against the likes of Luton and others around us then I too will be concerned. It’s the hope that kills us eh?

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm
A football messageboard isn’t for you

Conversely, it is perfect for you. Throw meaningless lines around to amuse yourself without ever saying anything of any sense.

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm

Zom Zom wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm
What sarcasm?

Not you bud

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:51 pm
If you take the extremely small sample size and make literal statements such as lots of goals conceded and not many scored you are correct, but to say we aren’t good enough to play premier league football would be out of context and unfair without a bigger sample size, particularly as to decide if we are at Premier league level you need to compare us to all 19 other teams not just 5 of the top 6-8 and 1 mid to bottom half team.

Ok I get your point, but from the teams we have played and our performances to date. Can you honestly say we look premier league quality?

This all may look better if we get a good win Tuesday night. But I am actually going to start worrying about VKs future if we lose against Luton.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm
Conversely, it is perfect for you. Throw meaningless lines around to amuse yourself without ever saying anything of any sense.

Stop bickering

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm

So ref blows on time , when there was a double substitution in injury time , brilliant

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm

Foshiznik wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm
Honestly, the opposition we’ve played is the only thing keeping me positive. If we perform like we have against the likes of Luton and others around us then I too will be concerned. It’s the hope that kills us eh?

Win at Luton and the entire picture changes, the same could be said for losing too. Massive game.

I’d start Cork…

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm
Conversely, it is perfect for you. Throw meaningless lines around to amuse yourself without ever saying anything of any sense.

Irony at its finest

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm

Somehow Vinny has to lift them for Tuesday night because we desperately desperately need some points.

There are still positives, but let's be honest we create so many of our own problems.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm
Stop bickering

Brilliant.

Keep your chin up.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm

Well, the Luton game on Tuesday is massive.

We need to win it.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:57 pm
Ok I get your point, but from the teams we have played and our performances to date. Can you honestly say we look premier league quality?

This all may look better if we get a good win Tuesday night. But I am actually going to start worrying about VKs future if we lose against Luton.

We looked PL quality away at Forest (bottom half side) and home to United for large portions of the game.

The facts remain we have played one team who will finish outside the top 7 this season.

There’s not been a tougher start by any other team.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm

scouseclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:56 pm
Palace demonstrating what an opportunity we missed playing Man U at the moment. Missed good early chances in that one, missed good early chances today.

My dad is a Man Utd fan and has been sitting with me whilst watching their game on his iPad and he says Palace have defended for their lives brilliantly for most of the second half in a similar vein to how we played against the big boys under Dyche

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm

Not good enough at this level… a champions league team level… perhaps were not… yet

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm

There are, I am convinced, PL teams out there that dont have our talent, but very strong rear guard units. Characterised by Wolves,Luton and Palace winning today and both grinding out results.Tough learning curve for us

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm

Turftalker wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:53 pm
Luton haven't won yet, but they are playing Everton not Newcastle.

Casper2, I've been posting for 25 years, so I think I'm surviving alright. Just calling out those who head in to a panic and exaggerate negativity. All about opinions isn't it?

Oh look at me , I’m a better fan than you

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm

Tarks playing CF for Everton!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm

JimmyRobbo wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm
Brilliant.

Keep your chin up.

Enough now please

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:59 pm
We looked PL quality away at Forest (bottom half side) and home to United for large portions of the game.

The facts remain we have played one team who will finish outside the top 7 this season.

There’s not been a tougher start by any other team.

We just have to hope VK can instill some confidence in the lads because it has been brutal. I don't think we can properly judge where we are at until we have played a few teams around us.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:00 pm

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 4:58 pm
Irony at its finest

Lots of things are perfect for me.

You never have anything sensible to add. Week after week.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:01 pm

Defence stood up well and we were in It until the dive

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:01 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:01 pm
Defence stood up well and we were in It until the dive

What nonsense

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:02 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 30, 2023 5:01 pm
What nonsense

Usual insightful comment