Inept and spineless

[DCWat]

The recruitment was daft in the summer. Plenty of talent through the door but we neglected some priority positions.

It’s biting us on the arse big time.

It looked naive at the time and that’s not changed.

I still have faith in Kompany to get it right, I just can’t help thinking that for an obviously intelligent bloke, with years of recent experience playing in this very division, he’s had a bit of a mad summer!

[Vegas Claret]

staggering how many "supporters" don't know the meaning of the word

[NewClaret]

The recruitment was daft in the summer. Plenty of talent through the door but we neglected some priority positions.

It’s biting us on the arse big time.

Problem is, we do t know who we went in for, who wouldn’t come, etc. Bringing experienced players (with the right quality) is obviously going to be more expensive for us.

But I agree couple of more experienced players and certain positions may have been a better approach.

[Carwin261]

There are certain things you need to do after a loss

One is log off here, therefore not seeing over reactive posts like this. How do you cope with everyday life?

Can’t praise the management and players enough even after 4 home defeats after which I’ve come off and thought I’m proud of my team and said I don’t mind losing because we’re so entertaining to watch and we’ve matched them toe to toe,today as my op says we were inept ,& rarely showed any fight at all and that I can’t accept

[Rileybobs]

On an individual basis I wouldn’t have expected us to get results from any of our games so far other than perhaps Forest. But as a collective I’m sure every Burnley fan would have thought we may have more than one point on the board.

We’re going to be underdogs in almost every game this season and if we want to have any chance of staying in this division we need to start causing the odd upset.

And whilst our start has been undoubtedly difficult, we lost leads against both Spurs and Forest and then failed to get anything from a really dreadful Manchester United.

I’m worried that we’re looking like easy opposition, a nice team to play against. And that could never have been levelled at us before in the PL.

[Vegas Claret]

Can’t praise the management and players enough even after 4 home defeats after which I’ve come off and thought I’m proud of my team and said I don’t mind losing because we’re so entertaining to watch and we’ve matched them toe to toe,today as my op says we were inept ,& rarely showed any fight at all and that I can’t accept

you need a new TV, to say we showed no fight is ******* embarrassing - Sheff United showed no fight and got battered 8-0 at home by Newcastle last week and were lucky it was only 8. We got done by a wonder strike and a penalty, created a few decent chances, should have been 1-0 up as for the second week in a row Amdouni misses a really presentable chance.

No fight ? You're taking the ****

[Leyland Claret]

Very harsh to call it inept and spineless. There were some positives. Another good 45 from Luca, Trafford looked more at ease, Berge is a definite upgrade on our midfielders, Odobert looked good and so did Brunn Larsen. Unfortunately we had some poor performances as well. Al Dakhil had a mare, Roberts can’t find a Burnley player with his passing, Brownhill is always on the periphery and Cullens passing this season is just crab like and slowing us right down. Even though it’s only a small loss it’s still quite a disappointing performance and result

[Carwin261]

you need a new TV, to say we showed no fight is ******* embarrassing - Sheff United showed no fight and got battered 8-0 at home by Newcastle last week and were lucky it was only 8. We got done by a wonder strike and a penalty, created a few decent chances, should have been 1-0 up as for the second week in a row Amdouni misses a really presentable chance.

No fight ? You're taking the ****

I suggest you view a full match replay on Clarets + later in
the week and count up the number of 50/ 50 balls we’ve lost,just like to add that this is the first negative post have put on here since VK arrived.

[Vegas Claret]

I suggest you view a full match replay on Clarets + later in
the week and count up the number of 50/ 50 balls we’ve lost,just like to add that this is the first negative post have put on here since VK arrived.

I don't need to re-watch it. The factual reality is Newcastle won 19 tackles and we won 14. The stats don't back up your argument

You could argue we don't have the same quality as the richest team in world football and you would be right, pretty sure you'll understand the reason for that though.

Inept and spineless ? sorry mate you are taking the ****, it was so far from that.

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Was at the game and we played pretty well but if we had played another hour we still would not have scored imo
We seem to get to their box and pass and pass and no one will shoot.

[ClaretTony]

Nothing inept or spineless - but we were beaten by a better team.

[RVclaret]

Nothing inept or spineless - but we were beaten by a better team.

Agree there CT on both points

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I don't think we are inept by any stretch of the imagination and are essentially learning on the job. I'd sooner be playing teams that we aren't expected to get anything from while we are still tinkering and finding our best formation and starting 11.

However the thing niggling away at me is that we might be simply too lightweight in vital areas of the pitch to compete in this league

[Casper2]

We lack physicality, simple as that .

[agreenwood]

The lack of patience amongst some fans is frightening. It was exactly the same after half a dozen games last season.

We’re integrating several new players and it’s a very young group. Time will tell if we’ve been naive in bringing in too many young talents or have strengthened the wrong areas, but six games in against four sides currently occupying 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th, isn’t the time to be tripping over your bottom lip.

[Sproggy]

Nothing inept or spineless - but we were beaten by a better team.

How about toothless and naive instead?

Let's see what happens on Tuesday but that was pretty poor today.

[Vegas Claret]

The lack of patience amongst some fans is frightening. It was exactly the same after half a dozen games last season.

We’re integrating several new players and it’s a very young group. Time will tell if we’ve been naive in bringing in too many young talents or have strengthened the wrong areas, but six games in against four sides currently occupying 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th, isn’t the time to be tripping over your bottom lip.

[Goody1975]

I don't need to re-watch it. The factual reality is Newcastle won 19 tackles and we won 14. The stats don't back up your argument

You could argue we don't have the same quality as the richest team in world football and you would be right, pretty sure you'll understand the reason for that though.

Inept and spineless ? sorry mate you are taking the ****, it was so far from that.

Totally agree pal.

You could argue that Newcastle have a better 'team' at present on top of having better individuals, this will be the fact that their group has played together for longer.

Inept and spineless is complete ********, I've seen us create far less than that countless times over the past ten years and still been a comfortable Premier League outfit, it is far too early to come out which such utter guff.

We started the season by playing Man City, Aston Villa, Spurs, Nottingham Forest, Man Utd and Newcastle.

Now have a run of games against Luton, Chelsea, Brentford, Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Arsenal, West Ham, Sheffield Utd, Wolves, Brighton, Everton and Fulham.

I don't think there's anybody with an I.Q, into double figures that can work out that this next run of games will be a far better gauge of where we are at.

[RVclaret]

The lack of patience amongst some fans is frightening. It was exactly the same after half a dozen games last season.

We’re integrating several new players and it’s a very young group. Time will tell if we’ve been naive in bringing in too many young talents or have strengthened the wrong areas, but six games in against four sides currently occupying 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th, isn’t the time to be tripping over your bottom lip.

Well said.

[TPClaret]

Against a Newcastle side that have only lost once at home in 2023…

[ClaretTony]

How about toothless and naive instead?

Let's see what happens on Tuesday but that was pretty poor today.

As I said, I thought it was no more than us losing to a better team. Don’t think it was toothless at all.

[Sproggy]

Ok. So we agree on naive.

[KRBFC]

Palace winning at Man Utd and Wolves beating Man City shows that competing against the upper PL teams isn’t the absolutely impossible task many would have us believe.

A pragmatic approach can work wonders sometimes. I wish we had that in us.

How long have Palace been in the PL though? Must be over 10 years in a row? We are year 1.

[Big Vinny K]

I have no idea why any fan would use words like spineless or say we had no fight.
There is no way leaders like VK and Bellamy would allow that for one second.
The players and management are working as hard as they have always done. Not just in the games but also in trying to come up with a way of playing that is going to work in this league.
I don’t think anybody is saying that we have not made mistakes. The manager certainly regularly points out he is learning all the time and so are his players.

Right now we haven’t got it right on the pitch. We are not making enough good chances and we are getting punished for our mistakes. We have had some fantastic goals scored against us but given this is pretty much happening in every game we have to accept that in a league with some of the best players in the world that this is how it’s going to be especially when we give up possession in key areas of the pitch to players who have the ability to score from anywhere.

I don’t know whether we will be good enough to stay up. When I see teams like Wolves play United off the park and then beat City today and I thought they were going to be one of our relegation rivals then you realise that the gap between the championship and the premier league is just getting bigger every season.

I dislike the Premier League for all kinds of reasons but without it you don’t have one of the best seasons ever like we did last season in the championship.

Still think we have a brilliant manager and some really exciting players. And I’m hopeful we can still have some great moments this season and that it’s enough to stay up. If it isn’t then so be it.

[NewClaret]

As I said, I thought it was no more than us losing to a better team. Don’t think it was toothless at all.

No doubt about it, Newcastle are levels above us. A good team who knocked 8 past the team that came second to us in the championship last season. Not to mention beat City in the week.

[Vegas Claret]

Totally agree pal.

I know it shouldn't but it still surprises me everytime how people don't grasp why someone who cost 3-6 million might not be as good as someone who cost 40-50 million

[KRBFC]

Sit deeper, allow them the ball in front, then play on the transitions and exploit our advantage of pace by hitting balls in behind Lacelles and Burn.

That’s exactly what I thought we did tbh.

[KRBFC]

We don’t usually agree but I think you’re spot on.

Ruling out 33% of the teams in the league because they are (top teams) makes staying in this league incredibly difficult.

But that’s just the reality of this league, it’s no longer a top 6, it’s a top 10. Brighton Newcastle Villa have pulled away from the rest since we were previously in this division.

[ksrclaret]

That’s exactly what I thought we did tbh.

I’ve posted why I didn’t think we did this on the previous page

[Robbie_painter]

It’s okay keep saying VK and Bellamy wouldn’t allow it but there really was very little fight today after we conceded the first goal.It was plain to see.I didn’t expect anything today but it was still a bit disappointing tbh.

[Casper2]

But that’s just the reality of this league, it’s no longer a top 6, it’s a top 10. Brighton Newcastle Villa have pulled away from the rest since we were previously in this division.

Kindly explain how Wolves managed to win today

[NewClaret]

It’s okay keep saying VK and Bellamy wouldn’t allow it but there really was very little fight today after we conceded the first goal.It was plain to see.I didn’t expect anything today but it was still a bit disappointing tbh.

For a team with no fight I thought we hung in well tbh.

[Bosscat]

The lack of patience amongst some fans is frightening. It was exactly the same after half a dozen games last season.

We’re integrating several new players and it’s a very young group. Time will tell if we’ve been naive in bringing in too many young talents or have strengthened the wrong areas, but six games in against four sides currently occupying 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th, isn’t the time to be tripping over your bottom lip.

this

[KRBFC]

Kindly explain how Wolves managed to win today

Wolves have been in this league for like 7 years in a row, they’ve had years to gradually build a side. 7 years of experience of playing against Man City.

We are on year 1, inexperienced in all departments from players to staff, we are hoping to scrape survival, develop players and build for the long term so in a few years time hopefully we’re more competitive.

That Wolves win was also incredibly fortunate, they got battered worse than we did. It’s football, freak results happen.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Apart from the 1st 10 & the last 5 mins this has to be the worst performance under Kompany ,players dithering around with the ball ,2nd best to everything ,we’re going to get some real thrashing until we show some steel,another crap ball out from Trafford giving our winger no chance the ball comes back and they get a pen,only hope is that there may be three other teams with less fight ,Brownhill and Roberts who are supposed to be the dynamism in the team too easily giving the ball away Berge turning like a tank .

[Vincent'sCap]

Kindly explain how Wolves managed to win today

Quite simple really Wolves scored 2 and City got 1

[Casper2]

Wolves have been in this league for like 7 years in a row, they’ve had years to gradually build a side. 7 years of experience of playing against Man City.

We are on year 1, inexperienced in all departments from players to staff, we are hoping to scrape survival, develop players and build for the long term so in a few years time hopefully we’re more competitive.

That Wolves win was also incredibly fortunate, they got battered worse than we did. It’s football, freak results happen.

How many players were at Wolves 7 years ago and used that experience to beat City ?

[Rileybobs]

If we go through the season without picking up a point against the top ten then we will almost certainly be relegated. These games are all ridiculously tough, but we will need the odd freak result or backs to the wall performance. Or even to take advantage of a ‘top ten’ team when they’re miles off their best like we could have done against Man Utd.

[Boss Hogg]

Inept is harsh when they are mainly young lads. We do look very weak and lightweight though. We are too inexperienced for this level and it’s whether they have it in them for a relegation dogfight. The recruitment policy is questionable as it was clear to all where we were weak and needed strengthening and with some experience. These players also look to have been brought in to play one way that doesn’t remotely look like it’s going to be successful against most PL teams. Let’s see how we fare against Luton but I think they are favourites based on what I’ve seen of both teams so far.

[jojomk1]

Midfield seriously short of creativity and panic under pressure as they are not good enough on the ball at this level.
We have lots of quick, skilful wide men but can't work enough openings to get them into good, attacking positions.
And while I'm there, why did he buy so many wide men?
I know it's been done to death but how the hell does he rotate them all?

Scattergun approach to recruitment this summer
I don't see that VK personally oversaw every individual signing but it seem to me the overall approach was to buy young with a hope of making profits in the future
But also there seems to have been no structure in terms of covering all positions equally, resulting in eight wide men and only 3/4 central midfielders and even less strikers
Allen Hanson once famously said "you don't win anything with kids"
He was proved wrong back in those days but nowadays you need experience to survive at this level
City always had that when VK was there but he doesn't seem to have grasped that this summer

[taio]

Scattergun approach to recruitment this summer
I don't see that VK personally oversaw every individual signing but it seem to me the overall approach was to buy young with a hope of making profits in the future
But also there seems to have been no structure in terms of covering all positions equally, resulting in eight wide men and only 3/4 central midfielders and even less strikers
Allen Hanson once famously said "you don't win anything with kids"
He was proved wrong back in those days but nowadays you need experience to survive at this level
City always had that when VK was there but he doesn't seem to have grasped that this summer

Good grief

[KRBFC]

How many players were at Wolves 7 years ago and used that experience to beat City ?

I don’t understand how you’re using a freak Wolves win to hammer Burnley. We are newly promoted, expected to struggle and might get relegated. You might not want to hear that but it’s the reality of being new to this division. You should know this by now, what happened the first 2 times we were newly promoted? We were relegated. We only survived after being relegated, keeping the squad together and bouncing back with the same group of players who had the scars and experience of being relegated.

[Vegas Claret]

How long have Palace been in the PL though? Must be over 10 years in a row? We are year 1.

exactly this mate, a team packed full of PL experience. I'm genuinely staggered how people don't see the bigger picture with us, it's truly frightening.

[Vegas Claret]

Good grief

there are times I wish i'd not come on here, today is one of them, the over-reaction is at an outstanding level considering we lost away to a Champions League team

[fidelcastro]

exactly this mate, a team packed full of PL experience. I'm genuinely staggered how people don't see the bigger picture with us, it's truly frightening.

Apparently, play Muric and Cork and we'll be fine

[expoultryboy]

No Rodri

[Andreshotboots]

The lack of patience amongst some fans is frightening. It was exactly the same after half a dozen games last season.

We’re integrating several new players and it’s a very young group. Time will tell if we’ve been naive in bringing in too many young talents or have strengthened the wrong areas, but six games in against four sides currently occupying 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th, isn’t the time to be tripping over your bottom lip.

Last season whilst Newcastle were qualifying for the Champions League, we were playing in the Championship.

No panic from me and I think we'll still comfortably beat the drop..

[Casper2]

I don’t understand how you’re using a freak Wolves win to hammer Burnley. We are newly promoted, expected to struggle and might get relegated. You might not want to hear that but it’s the reality of being new to this division. You should know this by now, what happened the first 2 times we were newly promoted? We were relegated. We only survived after being relegated, keeping the squad together and bouncing back with the same group of players who had the scars and experience of being relegated.

Luton beat a team with 69 years of top flight experience today , how does that fit with your argument

Also we didn’t bounce back with the same group of players last season, that just makes no sense

[Vegas Claret]

Luton beat a team with 69 years of top flight experience today , how does that fit with your argument

Also we didn’t bounce back with the same group of players last season, that just makes no sense

true, we bounced back with far better players

[fidelcastro]

Last season whilst Newcastle were qualifying for the Champions League, we were playing in the Championship.

No panic from me and I think we'll still comfortably beat the drop..

I started a thread a week or two back, quoting VK stating that we may have to have one bad season in order to have ten good ones (or words to that effect). I'm not saying for a minute that there was a lack of effort today, but it does make you wonder if psychologically, the team and management are looking much longer term before we're a team to be reckoned with at this level.