Darren England

[Herts Clarets]

Seems the clown who got so much wrong in our game v Forest was at it again yesterday. But this time it involves 2 bigger clubs so you can bet something will be done.

BBC News - Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool: PGMOL admits 'significant human error' over disallowed Luis Diaz goal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66973987

[Jamesy]

Seems the clown who got so much wrong in our game v Forest was at it again yesterday. But this time it involves 2 bigger clubs so you can bet something will be done.

BBC News - Tottenham 2-1 Liverpool: PGMOL admits 'significant human error' over disallowed Luis Diaz goal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66973987

Just the two words Darren England starts me convulsing. He has had more headlines this season than any footballer. Absolute clown.
Whilst VAR has got inept people like England managing it, it is not fit for purpose.

[123EasyasBFC]

The worry is nothing has come out from the refs to say the decision to disallow the second goal at forest was wrong

[Clive 1960]

The worry is nothing has come out from the refs to say the decision to disallow the second goal at forest was wrong

Because we are little old Burnley who know one gives a toss about.

[taio]

Totally unacceptable of VAR.

[bumba]

If they could of wriggled out of this one they wouldn't of apologised but they were forced in to it because they had nothing to hide behind, our disallowed goal will always be covered up by saying 'letter of the law' it hit his arm despite being a massive cock up

[taio]

The worry is nothing has come out from the refs to say the decision to disallow the second goal at forest was wrong

Because it's not a black or white decision like this one.

[Jamesy]

Biggest most watched football league in the world and we can have a shambles like our VAR.

[agreenwood]

Should be fired. Enough of this clown.

[beddie]

Another reason to scrap it (var). It’s just ruining the game imo.

[Jamesy]

The thing is, if the explanation being widely touted is true in that England wrongly thought he was checking that the goal/player was onside. Then he can’t have been watching the game prior to the check? One job, and he messed it up yet again.

[mdd2]

The thing is, if the explanation being widely touted is true in that England wrongly thought he was checking that the goal/player was onside. Then he can’t have been watching the game prior to the check? One job, and he messed it up yet again.

Liverpool were well and truly cheated last night. The first yellow for Jotti was a mistake player tropped over his legs and dont think Jotti touched him. Even in open play that goal was onside but the red card was no different from Kyle Lafferty when we played Arseholes at the Turf in the FA Cup in 2008

[IanMcL]

Prem bias or ref/var bias?

[Ric_C]

Can you imagine the audio from the VAR yesterday? Would be quite funny actually.

The sooner they make the audio mandatory like in other sports, then we can have transparency.

[rufus lumley]

There'll always be an England
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.

[ashtonlongsider]

Staggering incompetence with the on/offside goal. For me it should have been given on-field without the intervention, but to go to VAR and so quickly back up the on-field call is frightening and makes me lose what little faith I have in the decisions. If it's not clear and obvious, a goal should be awarded. PGMOL needs to have a long hard look at itself.

[mkmel]

PGMOL replaces official Darren England after Liverpool error

[ksrclaret]

I thought it was a joke when I heard it was Darren England on VAR duty making yet another cock up.

The reason given this time is that he thought the goal had been given. There aren't any words for this sort of incompetence.

If this man is still in a job on Monday I despair. He's an absolutely hopeless excuse.

[RammyClaret61]

Staggering incompetence with the on/offside goal. For me it should have been given on-field without the intervention, but to go to VAR and so quickly back up the on-field call is frightening and makes me lose what little faith I have in the decisions. If it's not clear and obvious, a goal should be awarded. PGMOL needs to have a long hard look at itself.

The problem is, the linesman put his flag up. England missed this, and instead of checking if the Offside decision and disallow the goal was correct. He was checking the exact opposite!!

Thing is, without VAR, the goal would’ve been disallowed. Full stop. If someone other than the inept Darren England was on VAR, the goal would’ve stood.

I hate VAR by the way.

[taio]

The problem is, the linesman put his flag up. England missed this, and instead of checking if the Offside decision and disallow the goal was correct. He was checking the exact opposite!!

Thing is, without VAR, the goal would’ve been disallowed. Full stop. If someone other than the inept Darren England was on VAR, the goal would’ve stood.

I hate VAR by the way.

Yes, I don't blame with the linesmen - tough job. But VAR getting it wrong is incompetence.

[Rileybobs]

On Darren's linkedin page he states

'I am a reliable, focused and driven individual. I set myself high personal and professional standards and expect the same from those I work with.'

[ArmchairDetective]

The way VAR has been implemented in the Premier League is absolutely shocking. There is such a huge difference between the PL and every other league/competition in how it used. How they can get it so so wrong is beyond me.

VAR is clearly here to stay. They should tear up the rulebook, get someone in from abroad to show our bewildered group of referees how it's done, and completely start again before it takes away any more enjoyment away from a previously fantastic game.

[dougcollins]

Yes, I don't blame with the linesmen - tough job. But VAR getting it wrong is incompetence.

You know what, the liners were better without VAR.

The liners in the Championship are better.

The liners in the PL don't have to give a decision in general, as VAR will take it from them.

[taio]

You know what, the liners were better without VAR.

The liners in the Championship are better.

The liners in the PL don't have to give a decision in general, as VAR will take it from them.

The linesman gave the decision yesterday. VAR inexplicably didn't overrule it.

[Tricky Trevor]

As Shearer said on MotD, “he has an assistant. Why didn’t he step in and correct England”?

[nil_desperandum]

Seemingly England followed the VAR protocols by saying "Check complete" - (having mistakenly thought that the on-field ref had given the goal).
No defence for England, but it would surely simplify things and avoid such errors if:
1. We could hear the conversation
2. As in other sports, the VAR official was instructed to say "This goal should stand", or "This goal should be disallowed because........"

[BurnleyFC]

It’s actually hilarious how crap VAR and its incumbents are now.

[JohnMac]

Maybe the Premier League should end its partnership with the PGMOL citing it as not fit for purpose and seek an alternative more International partnership.

[Colburn_Claret]

3 times in a week this numpty has cocked up.
It's incompetence, and until referees are held accountable nothing will change.

[Boss Hogg]

You’d think he’d have to be more accountable considering what’s at stake. The richest league in the world yet we have a comical VAR process and decision making. Darren England and Rob Jones should be replaced asap.

[Jimmymaccer]

On Darren's linkedin page he states

'I am a reliable, focused and driven individual. I set myself high personal and professional standards and expect the same from those I work with.'

My ex- line manager has on his LinkedIn page “inspiring, innovating, empowering…….”

How do they dream up such tosh?

[dsr]

The problem is, the linesman put his flag up. England missed this, and instead of checking if the Offside decision and disallow the goal was correct. He was checking the exact opposite!!

Thing is, without VAR, the goal would’ve been disallowed. Full stop. If someone other than the inept Darren England was on VAR, the goal would’ve stood.

I hate VAR by the way.

That doesn't follow. Remember in the PL, the linesman has to judge whether one man's shoulder is an inch ahead of the other man's boot, and if he thinks the shoulder wins by an inch, he gives offside. If VAR isn't there to fulfill its primary purpose of disallowing goals, the linesman would say that's level and would (probably) not flag.

[Vegas Claret]

Referee's body PGMOL is facing increasing questions over the wisdom of allowing England and Cook to have worked in the United Arab Emirates on Thursday.

England was the VAR and Cook was the second assistant referee for Al Ain's victory over Sharjah, which took place just 48 hours before the Tottenham vs Liverpool match.

Michael Oliver - who was the fourth official in north London - was the referee for the game in the UAE.
It is understood Howard Webb, the head of PGMOL, sanctioned the trip.

The officials arrived back in London on Friday to prepare for VAR and fourth official duties, which - according to PGMOL - is routine for those who have had international appointments in midweek.

However, there has been criticism over the officials' workload and questions over whether it could lead to fatigue, especially as England and Cook had a further game to work this weekend before being dropped over their error.

[agreenwood]

Referee's body PGMOL is facing increasing questions over the wisdom of allowing England and Cook to have worked in the United Arab Emirates on Thursday.

England was the VAR and Cook was the second assistant referee for Al Ain's victory over Sharjah, which took place just 48 hours before the Tottenham vs Liverpool match.

Michael Oliver - who was the fourth official in north London - was the referee for the game in the UAE.
It is understood Howard Webb, the head of PGMOL, sanctioned the trip.

The officials arrived back in London on Friday to prepare for VAR and fourth official duties, which - according to PGMOL - is routine for those who have had international appointments in midweek.

However, there has been criticism over the officials' workload and questions over whether it could lead to fatigue, especially as England and Cook had a further game to work this weekend before being dropped over their error.

So because they’d been abroad 48 hours before neither of them could must the brain power to tell the ref the onfield decision was wrong?

[Vegas Claret]

So because they’d been abroad 48 hours before neither of them could must the brain power to tell the ref the onfield decision was wrong?

I agree, I'd had ONE hours sleep the night before but still knew it was offside without seeing any lines. It's a laughable miss by them

[FCBurnley]

The words betting corruption certainly come to my mind. Can’t see any other reason for it. Refs can make genuine mistakes but VAR has no excuse. No doubt the PL investigation team will be taking a look

[alboclaret]

Because we are little old Burnley who know one gives a toss about.

Also because our manager refused to get into it.

It's very big on VK to not get drawn on it, dyche was very simular tbh but it also adds to the fact that it doesn't really matter if it against us.

[Croydon Claret]

If you apply https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor then you can deduce that what might be attributed to corruption is more likely to be just plain incompetence