Cards on the Table…

[AlargeClaret]

Why not get the next 3 more “realistic opposition” games out the way and then and only then can we start to realistically begin to gauge things . Far as I see we’ve been beaten bu mega bucks superstar teams and have beaten both forest (cup, prem draw ) and Luton as well as progressing in the cup .
I don’t remember such a tough set of early fixtures . We will improve and gel more and more and that’s a fact . Let’s just take a breath and give VK time as we always did with SD.

[Firthy]

We aren't good enough to stay up, I've seen nothing from the squad or management to convince me otherwise.
Spent big money on a load of bang average players.
Tactics are shocking, the so called easy on the eye style we play is utter dross I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

We only need to be better than SU. Luton and Bournemouth to stay up and hopefully VK will learn from this season.

[Guller Bull]

I liked both. I prefer the VK/AP model. I think we will easily stay up this season and I think thereafter as we grow we will be comfortably established as an exciting mid to top table side.

[bumba]

We only need to be better than SU. Luton and Bournemouth to stay up and hopefully VK will learn from this season.

SU and Luton have more fight, heart and steel that'll see them finish above us

[dougcollins]

It's worrying to me that VK appears to see the games against the 'big 6' as games we cant get anything from, therefore it's ok to treat them as a free hit, and throw in some kind of experimental line up.

To stay up you need to pick up something from these games. There are no free hits.

[Anonymous Claret]

Nice bait
You cannot genuinely be serious can you?

He's caught a big catch with this one.
Bravo!

[AfloatinClaret]

Chelsea were in the bottom half and still are

I would concede that some (Man Utd) of those sides are perhaps in the top half because they have beaten us. As for Chelsea not being in the top half... I'm hoping they're close enough for me to get a favourable VAR decision

[watsonsclarets]

Squad balance like a ****** car salesman. millions of wingers who only play to try and justify why we have so many. Brun Larsen anybody why not today?
A goalkeeper who was no better than what we had but has a high re-sale value apparently.
We simply did not sign players we needed now.

But we have had the best or one of the best seasons ever.

Our transfer dealing smell of the 3/4 selling players every season to stay competitive...

[Stayingup]

I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

Dyche was better tactically.

[spt_claret]

I'd rather watch a Kompany team in League one than the last 2-3 years of Dyche. His achievements to keep us up were incredible but more than anything I want to be entertained. This season is a struggle as expected, last season was the most enjoyable in the 40 years I've watched us.

Can't remotely understand this mentality. Happy with lower league nothingness as long as it looks pretty.
Give us battling ugly in the Premier League against the best in the world any day. Might have some bad days and dull days but very rarely had days you felt it was all over. We got 1, I figured we were good for a draw at minimum, went 1 down, figured we'd stay in it til the end and might scab one. Can't say the same currently, still got to hop and believe we'll turn it round but I will never understand how anyone would settle for mediocrity that's easy on the eye over being at the top table even you're not the belle of the ball.

[TPClaret]

Of the 5 games we’ve played at home so far how many would we have won under Dyche?

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Kompany is learning like the team. I think we will survive just and he’ll be a lot better for the experience next season.

[Stayingup]

This team that a world class defender built can't defend simple has that

The players he's spent 100 million plus on is too small, weak and inexperienced and will be lucky to pick up 30 points

Exactly.

[Vegas Claret]

Dyche was better tactically.

same Dyche who got relegated season one in the PL, same Dyche who took us on a top run after starting the following season in the Championship so poorly ?

Kompany is 8 games into being a PL manager and is making loads of mistakes, don't kid yourself that Dyche didn't make any early doors - the difference for me is Dyche had more experience in the team and that helped HIM massively.

[Newcastleclaret93]

same Dyche who got relegated season one in the PL, same Dyche who took us on a top run after starting the following season in the Championship so poorly ?

Kompany is 8 games into being a PL manager and is making loads of mistakes, don't kid yourself that Dyche didn't make any early doors - the difference for me is Dyche had more experience in the team and that helped HIM massively.

Can’t really compare, VK has spent more this summer than Dyche had in his last 5 seasons

[Pearcey]

same Dyche who got relegated season one in the PL, same Dyche who took us on a top run after starting the following season in the Championship so poorly ?

Kompany is 8 games into being a PL manager and is making loads of mistakes, don't kid yourself that Dyche didn't make any early doors - the difference for me is Dyche had more experience in the team and that helped HIM massively.

Dyche signed that experience.

[Vegas Claret]

Can’t really compare, VK has spent more this summer than Dyche had in his last 5 seasons

Chelsea have spent 1 billion, why aren't they top of the league ?

Been proved by Man United etc etc that spending loads of money doesn't mean success, it gives you better players but it still needs to be put together

[Vegas Claret]

Dyche signed that experience.

yep and as I've said elsewhere on here at least 5 times today that is our big mistake this summer

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We’re only a couple of players short of being a solid team just need to pick some that are better than what we have.

Need to spend around £20-30m in Jan.

VK needs to do a bit of wheeling and dealing like Harry Redknapp used to do to get the right players in.

[Jimmymaccer]

I still think we’ll be ok, just……we are playing premier league style football, rather than side to side hoof…………confidence could be an issue given even the CFS emptied, but we just need to beat those clubs in the bottom 6……….

It’s a long haul and hope everyone keeps behind this young team……

And I don’t doubt he’s talking to the likes of “Pep” as to how to take forward..,..,,he must be.

[TPClaret]

Rome wasn’t built in a day. Last season it took us a while to get going.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Rome wasn’t built in a day. Last season it took us a while to get going.

Very true. We just need to be a bit more solid in the middle and stop conceding so many goals.

[KRBFC]

Dyche was relegated in his first season, that means this is a completely free hit for VK in a tougher league.

[bumba]

Dyche was relegated in his first season, that means this is a completely free hit for VK in a tougher league.

Did Dyche spend nearly £140 million in his first two seasons?

[bumba]

Of the 5 games we’ve played at home so far how many would we have won under Dyche?

We'd of beat United, I think we'd of beat Chelsea today too

[KRBFC]

Did Dyche spend nearly £140 million in his first two seasons?

No but he spent more than that combined in his time here and built a declining side. You were also whining at that absolutely woeful football in the last two years under him. It takes vast sums to compete in this league these days.

[CoolClaret]

No but he spent more than that combined in his time here and built a declining side. You were also whining at that absolutely woeful football in the last two years under him. It takes vast sums to compete in this league these days.

Didn’t build a declining side at all. He was tasked with staying in the PL and was given 0 budget

Stop letting the last two years completely cloud his entire tenure.

Turned profit on many young players. Just revisionist nonsense to suggest that he didn’t.

[Elizabeth]

I still think we’ll be ok, just……we are playing premier league style football, rather than side to side hoof…………confidence could be an issue given even the CFS emptied, but we just need to beat those clubs in the bottom 6……….

It’s a long haul and hope everyone keeps behind this young team……

And I don’t doubt he’s talking to the likes of “Pep” as to how to take forward..,..,,he must be.

I was hoping the CFS would be better than they were today. We get ahead then Chelsea put some pressure on. What response do we get from the CFS? Nothing!

[CoolClaret]

Can't remotely understand this mentality. Happy with lower league nothingness as long as it looks pretty.
Give us battling ugly in the Premier League against the best in the world any day. Might have some bad days and dull days but very rarely had days you felt it was all over. We got 1, I figured we were good for a draw at minimum, went 1 down, figured we'd stay in it til the end and might scab one. Can't say the same currently, still got to hop and believe we'll turn it round but I will never understand how anyone would settle for mediocrity that's easy on the eye over being at the top table even you're not the belle of the ball.

It’s nonsense.

People need to cast their mind back to getting 3/4 put passed us regularly in the Championship it was putrid.

Let’s not pretend like we didn’t play some good footy with Dyche either.

Really ruffled some feathers and spoiled some days.
2-0 win at Old Trafford was magic.

[gandhisflipflop]

People seriously pining for Dyche? FFS get a grip.

[Swizzlestick]

I’m confused, was it not the OP who didn’t renew their ST and stopped going on the Turf because of the football under Dyche?

[CoolClaret]

People seriously pining for Dyche? FFS get a grip.

Not pining for Dyche just dislike it when everything we achieved gets reduced to a complete nothing like we spent 90 minutes hoofing it into the penalty box.

[Loyalclaret]

I spoke to a YorkshireClaret who post on here after the game in Newcastle, with two other Clarets who must have 40/50yrs each watching the team, I wouldn't want Dyche back but it makes you appreciate what he did for years on a limited budget.

[boatshed bill]

What a bunch of pussies!
If you can't stomach getting beaten in this league why not support Man City... and if they start losing there's Newcastle

[Shaggy]

Not pining for Dyche just dislike it when everything we achieved gets reduced to a complete nothing like we spent 90 minutes hoofing it into the penalty box.

Let’s be honest the best he achieved was not being relegated and erm yeah it was hoofball into the box anti football with slow old players

[CoolClaret]

Let’s be honest the best he achieved was not being relegated and erm yeah it was hoofball into the box anti football with slow old players

Think you need to rewatch a few highlights from some of our seasons. Just nonsense

[Cirrus_Minor]

When we break the press we do look good but this persistent fannying around with the back four and goalkeeper until we lose possession is dreadful. We need to find better and quicker ways of moving out with the ball. Reminds me of a few seasons back when Norwich came and tried this and we murdered them.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Let’s be honest the best he achieved was not being relegated and erm yeah it was hoofball into the box anti football with slow old players

Honestly there is no point you supporting Burnley.

What Dyche achieved with Burnley will never be replicated. That was the peak. If you thought so little of it there is genuinely no point you watching us.

[boatshed bill]

Honestly there is no point you supporting Burnley.

What Dyche achieved with Burnley will never be replicated. That was the peak. If you thought so little of it there is genuinely no point you watching us.

So you can accept the current state in the knowledge that we reached our peak in 2017?

[GetIntoEm]

Bloody hell. You've watched us walk the championship a d now crying because it's tough in the premier league.

Get your man United kit back out of the drawer and eff off. Pathetic fair weather supporter. Proper do me head in. Embarrassing

[Somethingfishy]

It's worrying to me that VK appears to see the games against the 'big 6' as games we cant get anything from, therefore it's ok to treat them as a free hit, and throw in some kind of experimental line up.

To stay up you need to pick up something from these games. There are no free hits.

Thats's really how it comes across to me as well. There is a distict lack of intensity in all these games against the so called bigger clubs. We invite them onto us. It's as though we are scared of them and we definitely show them too much respect. We've lost the niggly,nasty side of our game totally. No enforcer on the pitch.

It's just so passive.

[ClaretTony]

I can’t remember us losing 5 home games in a row under Dyche in the Premier League. You may correct me if I’m wrong.

We've never lost five home games in a row in a Premier League season previously. Longest under Dyche was four which extended to five if you cross seasons. Four once under Laws and once under Dyche.

[Stayingup]

Is this really all that much better to watch? We’re conceding goals at home for fun. Once we concede a second, we just roll over.

It's been a really hard watch at home this season.

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Rather go down trying to pass a ball under kompany and (kind of) attack rather than spoil games under dyche

[alwaysaclaret]

If the home tonkings continue then unfortunately Kompany going to get the bullet.

Agree, can't continue to get beat 3,4, and 5 and especially in the manner we're being beaten. I was convinced we had the player's to win this game today, I sacked that idea as soon as the team sheet came out. After the battling performance of Tuesday, we would have been well up for today and the player's would have believed the same, but would also have been baffled at the team selection. Confidence will be very low at the very time we need it, going into a sequence of winnable game's.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Agree, can't continue to get beat 3,4, and 5 and especially in the manner we're being beaten. I was convinced we had the player's to win this game today, I sacked that idea as soon as the team sheet came out. After the battling performance of Tuesday, we would have been well up for today and the player's would have believed the same, but would also have been baffled at the team selection. Confidence will be very low at the very time we need it, going into a sequence of winnable game's.

Keep losing in this manner and I’m not sure VK will even make Christmas

[Murger]

It wouldn’t be so bad if it looked like there was a plan. VKs approach to team selection is scattergun.

[jojomk1]

It wouldn’t be so bad if it looked like there was a plan. VKs approach to team selection is scattergun.

Spot on

Scattergun team selection from a scattergun approach to recruitment

From our large squad there aren't many now who he hasn't given a chance to in any of the games so far

Just have to hope he will now cease with this constant changing of players and identify his best settled starting eleven during the current break

[evensteadiereddie]

Keep losing in this manner and I’m not sure VK will even make Christmas

I'll bet you any amount you dare he will!

[alwaysaclaret]

Spot on

Scattergun team selection from a scattergun approach to recruitment

From our large squad there aren't many now who he hasn't given a chance to in any of the games so far

Just have to hope he will now cease with this constant changing of players and identify his best settled starting eleven during the current break

Absolutely agree.
Trafford (but want muric)
Roberts
Aad
Delcroix
Taylor
Cullen
Brownhill
Berge
Larsen
Koleosho
Foster
And we win that game.
Instead vk blows it to pieces with he's team selection.