Cards on the Table…

[Swizzlestick]

I'll bet you any amount you dare he will!

Kompany potentially getting the sack appears to be Newcastle’s latest obsession. It will soon pass hopefully.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'll bet you any amount you dare he will!

What’s that trying to say?

[evensteadiereddie]

Eh?

[Jakubclaret]

In fairness it's not been too bad with the controversial forest draw & Luton win in our mini league we should be ok if we stay with that trend & hope our rivals fail like we are doing with the supposedly better teams. Egg on the faces should be reserved for the people thinking we would storm the league after last seasons giddy successes, when the more measured balanced posters aired that said view with caution. This sh1t is completely different & the wake up call is hitting some unprepared (on a cognitive basis) people straight in the mush.

[mdd2]

Dyche had very little £ in his time once garlick set about selling the club
Would we have gone down in 2022 had he been given a £100 million transfer budget
Oh for Mee and Tarks in our central defence

[Pickles]

I'm convinced we could win the Champions League four times in three years and someone would still start a thread on here about Dyche the next day.

[kentonclaret]

Kompany potentially getting the sack appears to be Newcastle’s latest obsession. It will soon pass hopefully.

Amazingly, given our results in the PL thus far, Kompany is still the 9/2 joint favourite to be the next Manchester City boss.

[Jakubclaret]

Dyche had very little £ in his time once garlick set about selling the club
Would we have gone down in 2022 had he been given a £100 million transfer budget
Oh for Mee and Tarks in our central defence

Effectively what dyche could have built or was in the process of building has been dismantled. No progression has happened in a footballing sense apart from a few promising footballers that may or may not make it. Not just based on today's result or Everton's potential dimension but 1 input will end up more beneficial long-term & you can guess which 1 that will be.

[Shaggy]

Honestly there is no point you supporting Burnley.

What Dyche achieved with Burnley will never be replicated. That was the peak. If you thought so little of it there is genuinely no point you watching us.

What a clown.


What Dyche achieved was similar to a Pulis at Stoke. People like yourself were actually believing that Dyche is better manager than the likes of Rafa Benitez. How deluded. Dyche has only ever won a minor league title and came runner up that it. He’s won sweet f**k all and never will as a manager. Once he gets sacked from Everton where does he go then?

At least Kompany there is a plan and he is attractive in the footballing world. He won’t have a problem landing other jobs where as Dyche will be rolling back down the leagues. He’s not even a pound shop Fat Sam.

[Swizzlestick]

Amazingly, given our results in the PL thus far, Kompany is still the 9/2 joint favourite to be the next Manchester City boss.

Those manager odds are flimsy at the best of times. If you stuck 50 quid on a couple of other candidates he’d probably immediately drop down.

[Carwin261]

same Dyche who got relegated season one in the PL, same Dyche who took us on a top run after starting the following season in the Championship so poorly ?

Kompany is 8 games into being a PL manager and is making loads of mistakes, don't kid yourself that Dyche didn't make any early doors - the difference for me is Dyche had more experience in the team and that helped HIM massively.

Thinking back Sean Dyche had wins away against Chelsea,Utd ,home to Liverpool,home to city ,home to Spurs ,VK seems like, he’s picking an experimental team every time we play the big boys,needs to be more pragmatic.

[boatshed bill]

Dyche had very little £ in his time once garlick set about selling the club
Would we have gone down in 2022 had he been given a £100 million transfer budget
Oh for Mee and Tarks in our central defence

Or Thomson and Waldron for what it's worth

[Carwin261]

What a clown.


What Dyche achieved was similar to a Pulis at Stoke. People like yourself were actually believing that Dyche is better manager than the likes of Rafa Benitez. How deluded. Dyche has only ever won a minor league title and came runner up that it. He’s won sweet f**k all and never will as a manager. Once he gets sacked from Everton where does he go then?

At least Kompany there is a plan and he is attractive in the footballing world. He won’t have a problem landing other jobs where as Dyche will be rolling back down the leagues. He’s not even a pound shop Fat Sam.

Unfortunately I think the only plan VK has is to buy cheap and sell high .

[Vegas Claret]

Thinking back Sean Dyche had wins away against Chelsea,Utd ,home to Liverpool,home to city ,home to Spurs ,VK seems like, he’s picking an experimental team every time we play the big boys,needs to be more pragmatic.

I absolutely agree, I'd be playing Cork in the home games, we need some nous and we don't have any

[Clive 1960]

my problem is why change a team other than injury after Luton game because you need to try and get a settled team playing well . Also my worry is we don't have a leader on the pitch, will we stay up I'm not to sure but it's not looking good.

[dsr]

Thinking back Sean Dyche had wins away against Chelsea,Utd ,home to Liverpool,home to city ,home to Spurs ,VK seems like, he’s picking an experimental team every time we play the big boys,needs to be more pragmatic.

That's true. Under Dyche, we played the "big 6" (include Arsenal) 84 tomes in 7 seasons and won, how many, 5? That's once every 17 matches. Don't go thinking that under Dyche we would have won two, three, four of our home games so far. Experience suggests we wouldn't.

[dsr]

SU and Luton have more fight, heart and steel that'll see them finish above us

You clearly haven't been reading the Sheffield United message board, or watching them play. Fair enough, they don't lose 8-0 every week, but where's your evidence for their steel?

[Jakubclaret]

The difference with dyche you always knew you could get something an higher probability of upsetting the odds with Kompany so far you just know you’ll get beat, but in fairness Kompany is less established so he hasn’t been afforded the same opportunities. You are comparing somebody who’s tried & tested with a complete unknown so far at this level.

[dsr]

Absolutely agree.
Trafford (but want muric)
Roberts
Aad
Delcroix
Taylor
Cullen
Brownhill
Berge
Larsen
Koleosho
Foster
And we win that game.
Instead vk blows it to pieces with he's team selection.

That's the team we played bar three changes - you would leave out Vitinho, Tresor and Odobert and introduce Roberts, Koleosho and Brunn Larsen. So are you saying that we would have scored more goals if the goalscorer had been left out, or are you saying that if Roberts, Brunn Larsen and Koleosho had played it would have significantly strengthened the defence? (Roberts was on the field for two of the goals, so I don't see any reason to suppose he would have made an impassable brick wall.)

[Carlos the Great]

This does get boring week after week . Nobody was moaning last season ( after October) when we were privileged to watch some great attractive football .

Where is that team now that was winning and playing attractive football ? ..People saying VK wants to buy players and sell them on but from what I’ve seen a lot we will would struggle to get anywhere near what we paid for them …

[Newcastleclaret93]

What a clown.


What Dyche achieved was similar to a Pulis at Stoke. People like yourself were actually believing that Dyche is better manager than the likes of Rafa Benitez. How deluded. Dyche has only ever won a minor league title and came runner up that it. He’s won sweet f**k all and never will as a manager. Once he gets sacked from Everton where does he go then?

At least Kompany there is a plan and he is attractive in the footballing world. He won’t have a problem landing other jobs where as Dyche will be rolling back down the leagues. He’s not even a pound shop Fat Sam.

Nope not a clown at all.

If you can’t appreciate what arguably our best manager in history achieved then why do you support us?

Serious question? That is the peak of our football it will never be beaten.

[bumba]

You clearly haven't been reading the Sheffield United message board, or watching them play. Fair enough, they don't lose 8-0 every week, but where's your evidence for their steel?

Have you never watched Full Monty?

[Spijed]

What a clown.


What Dyche achieved was similar to a Pulis at Stoke. People like yourself were actually believing that Dyche is better manager than the likes of Rafa Benitez. How deluded. Dyche has only ever won a minor league title and came runner up that it. He’s won sweet f**k all and never will as a manager. Once he gets sacked from Everton where does he go then?

At least Kompany there is a plan and he is attractive in the footballing world. He won’t have a problem landing other jobs where as Dyche will be rolling back down the leagues. He’s not even a pound shop Fat Sam.

The best Pulis achieved with Stoke in the PL was 11th place. Under SD we finished higher twice. 7th and 10th place.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Nope not a clown at all.

If you can’t appreciate what arguably our best manager in history achieved then why do you support us?

Serious question? That is the peak of our football it will never be beaten.

I don’t remember you being particularly supportive of Dyche. You are the master of creating arguments to suit your own sad agenda. Still waiting for ‘the media’ to turn on Kompany.

[IrkthePurists]

We'd of beat United, I think we'd of beat Chelsea today too

Dyche never beat Chelsea or United at home. Ever.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don’t remember you being particularly supportive of Dyche. You are the master of creating arguments to suit your own sad agenda. Still waiting for ‘the media’ to turn on Kompany.

I was always Dyche in, just thought our club consistently let him down right until his eventual sacking.

An opinion isn’t an agenda.

[Pickles]

Yesterday on the match thread, when we were one nil up, people were talking about Dyche. If that doesn't sum up this board I don't know what does.

[bumba]

Dyche never beat Chelsea or United at home. Ever.

Dyche never played United and Chelsea teams as poor as we have this season

[TPClaret]

Seems fans are wanting instant success these days. Big step up from the championship. We’ve got results against the 2 teams that will be our rivals. Fans having a meltdown after losing to Chelsea, yes Chelsea who have won god knows how many titles and trophies in the Premier league era

[AGENT_CLARET]

Seems fans are wanting instant success these days. Big step up from the championship. We’ve got results against the 2 teams that will be our rivals. Fans having a meltdown after losing to Chelsea, yes Chelsea who have won god knows how many titles and trophies in the Premier league era

Fans having a meltdown after losing to Chelsea ?? Personally for me It's not about getting beat by any of the top six it's about the way we're getting beat, I don't care who the loss is against, we go a goal behind and we fold like a cheap deckchair.

League two type defending, we are a small weak team that can't defend set pieces or any high balls into the box and if Luton could finish we would of lost that game by 3 or 4 goal's, a keeper that can't play the kompany way he hardly finds his man unlike Muric yet the stubbornness of Kompany picks him because he cost more

[Stayingup]

Dyche had gone stale.

We have more points now after 8 games than we did in Dyche's last season.

We've not been brilliant this season but there's many more positives than under Dyche in that last season

And many more new players.

[Fretters]

I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

See my thread on who we've faced. Dyche rarely beat the teams we've lost to, he focused on beating those around us.

Also, didn't you stop going on at the end under Dyche because you hated the style?

[Big Vinny K]

Dyche never played United and Chelsea teams as poor as we have this season

You are getting ridiculous now.
United and Chelsea have spent more money in transfer fees in the last 5 years than any other teams in the world.
Based on your argument Newcastle, Spurs and Villa were all easier teams to beat under Dyche given their league position this season.

Why are you even comparing the 2 managers ? When Dyche left our wage bill was £90m which Kompany got down to £27m last year. The team has been totally transformed in terms of players, ownership, financial model etc.

Most of our fans enjoyed one of the favourite seasons of their life last year. But there will always be a small number of fans who will never be happy - you seem like one of them going off your “football is a simple game” Mike Bassett nonsense and your criticism of Ian Maatsen.

[taio]

Dyche never played United and Chelsea teams as poor as we have this season

You’re right and it’s why it’s disappointing to come away from those two games with zero points, especially after two very good first half performances.

[Devils_Advocate]

I prefer Dyche’s approach to the Premier League than Kompany’s.

Kompany’s style edged in the Championship, but Dyche Ball was far more effective at this level.

Yep we got relegated the first Dyche Prem season so I doubt we'll better that

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

Chelsea were in the bottom half and still are

Chelsea have spent a billion pound.

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

Last season was a slow burn, with the turnover of players and the step up we’d be foolish to think it wouldnt be similar.

Out of the teams in our mini division;

Forest, Luton we’ve played 2, (both away) and got 4 points.

Lads this team will grow. As will our manager. Give it time to grow.

[Ric_C]

Cards on the table for me :

Why did we spend 12 million in total on absolute dross like oshea and Delcroix when we could have signed a dominant CB or even THB?

Why did we spend 19 million on a goalie who struggles to play out from the back thus hampering the way we play?

Why did we bring in 6 more attacking / wide players when two of our best players last season were Zaroury and Benson?

Why didn't we address the lack of physicality in the squad?

Why didn't we sign a left back?

Why didn't we bring in another decent striker? Tella at 19 million would suit our system and offers something different. Just don't make two of those 6 winger signings and spend it on him instead.

Many questions which are looking more and more pertinent as each week goes by. Our recruitment is looking at best scattergun and at worst negligent.

[BobSykes]

Was last season really a "slow burn" to start with? Sure we had far too many draws in the first batch of games but only that Watford defeat until the one off aberration in Sheffield in November. Otherwise we showed real creative attacking flair right from the get go of that scintillating first half against Huddersfield and looked like promotion candidates if we ironed out a few issues.

This season, sure we've had good spells in every game and shown potential but also in every game, including the second half against Luton, we've looked every inch a team destined for relegation. 6 defeats in 8 says it all, regardless of the unfortunate luck of the draw with the fixtures. You'd think we'd have got something from one of those 6. It's now 8 games out of only 38 this time and so that is quite a chunk.

And the manager doesn't seem to be addressing issues, simply flailling around and rolling the dice and hoping Plan G or H or whatever we're up to works where the previous ones have failed.

It's so frustrating that we have such a good squad but we simply don't seem to be playing to the strengths we have.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Chelsea have spent a billion pound.

Regardless of how much they have spent before they played us they had gained least amount of points in 2023.

Leicester had scored more premier league goals than them.

They are crap and have been over a long period of time.

I rate there front three but over all there team has massively struggled

[mkmel]

Previous game to playing us they were very good.

And that's 3 wins in a row for them I think so things beginning to click

[taio]

Previous game to playing us they were very good.

And that's 3 wins in a row for them I think so things beginning to click

Not sure if you're referring to Chelsea but their previous three PL against Fulham, Forest and Bournemouth they picked up four points which is not nearly good enough for them.

[mkmel]

I thought Chelsea have now won 3 in a row including beating us.

I got that wrong then

[taio]

I thought Chelsea have now won 3 in a row including beating us.

I got that wrong then

I thought you said prior to playing us.

[mkmel]

I didn't say that

[Woodleyclaret]

Time for Muric in the next game too many errors from Trafford .

[taio]

I didn't say that

Yes I was wrong. Including against us and the league cup they have won their last three I think.

[Woodleyclaret]

Time for Muric in the next game too many errors from Trafford .

[mkmel]

Yes I was wrong. Including against us and the league cup they have won their last three I think.

So I was right then. Good

[taio]

So I was right then. Good

You were. Doesn't alter the fact that Chelsea have underperformed so far and weren't good enough for half the game yesterday.