It's a process

[fanzone]

We were terrible today but.....

We are better than Sheffield United, Luton and Bournemouth.


We will stay up this season then the players will be a year older and have Premier League experience under their belts.

The process is underway it's a long term project, we had alot of youth on the pitch today and we shouldn't forget that or expect to much.

[bumba]

We were terrible today but.....

We are better than Sheffield United, Luton and Bournemouth.


We will stay up this season then the players will be a year older and have Premier League experience under their belts.

The process is underway it's a long term project, we had alot of youth on the pitch today and we shouldn't forget that or expect to much.

Being better than other teams doesn't necessarily mean survival, wake up we are own worst enemy were near the bottom because we are one of the worst.
It's utter dross

[HahaYeah]

VK said as much.

I think we have enough to stay up but it is going to be a rough ride.

[Terrier]

At last some sense, thank you fanzone!

[Pickles]

People are able to think more than one thing at a time. Yes, it's a process, a young squad, a young manager, tough fixtures. But we've also been quite crap and that's about the fourth capitulation this season. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

[brexit]

no it's not a process is to perform a series of mechanical or chemical operations on (something) in order to change or preserve it.

[Carwin261]

Any coach worth his salt will watch today’s display and realise is that all they need to do is a forward press when Trafford has the ball and sooner or later we’ll give the ball away,these tactics worked ever so well against the Championship dross but the big boys will make us pay,I can’t believe VK and his coaching staff are so naive.

[123EasyasBFC]

The process of watching Trafford, O’Shea and Delcroix try and play out from the back is extremely rough, boarderline comical

[fanzone]

Any coach worth his salt will watch today’s display and realise is that all they need to do is a forward press when Trafford has the ball and sooner or later we’ll give the ball away,these tactics worked ever so well against the Championship dross but the big boys will make us pay,I can’t believe VK and his coaching staff are so naive.

You are wasted on here

[Blatherwickstattoo]

It’s not a process it’s a shambles

[Carwin261]

You are wasted on here

I’ll be wasted tonight after watching that shambolic performance.

[scouseclaret]

No team who concedes goals at the rate we do can survive. We are nowhere near good enough to play the way he wants to play and keep making the same mistakes over and over again. If VK doesn’t have a serious rethink we have no chance.

[fanzone]

Deray me.

Look at the teams that have spanked us and the teams that haven't. We need to finish another the the ones that haven't

[AmbleClaret]

The process of watching Trafford, O’Shea and Delcroix try and play out from the back is extremely rough, boarderline comical

Reminiscent of the Norwich side from a couple of seasons ago,unfortunately.

[Carwin261]

Even though Sheff Utd got tubbed by Newcastle they seem to be able to stay in games much longer than us albeit they’re pretty crap ,we seem to fold as soon as the opposition score ,we had a similar spell when Sean Dyche was here when we nearly always let a goal in just before halftime,it seems to me that it more a case showcasing all our ball players in the team rather taking more of a pragmatic approach.

[CoolClaret]

Any coach worth his salt will watch today’s display and realise is that all they need to do is a forward press when Trafford has the ball and sooner or later we’ll give the ball away,these tactics worked ever so well against the Championship dross but the big boys will make us pay,I can’t believe VK and his coaching staff are so naive.

But if we had a quick winger that could make clever runs drifting in behind and have the ability to trap the ball and finish and a keeper that could also find them long balls then maybe we’d be a bit less one dimensional…

https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/sta ... 1884643369

[Swizzlestick]

Sheffield United have been shocking, worse than us. No idea where this ‘they have more steel than us’ thing comes from. Can only imagine the reaction on here if Newcastle put 8 past us at the Turf. At least we’ve been creating chances (before yesterday anyway).

Incidentally, Souza was getting absolute pelters by their fanbase on their forum.

[Raconteur]

Even though Sheff Utd got tubbed by Newcastle they seem to be able to stay in games much longer than us albeit they’re pretty crap ,we seem to fold as soon as the opposition score ,we had a similar spell when Sean Dyche was here when we nearly always let a goal in just before halftime,it seems to me that it more a case showcasing all our ball players in the team rather taking more of a pragmatic approach.

Are you saying we should play like Sheffield United?
A team who has less points than us. Not really a good comparison to be honest!

[123EasyasBFC]

The process could start by playing the best players you have in each position, to many games we have swapped it.

Best keeper at the club hasn’t played a league game yet
Best two centre backs haven’t played together yet in, Ekdal and Beyer (both injured now)
Took 3 league games to finally play your only left back and fu backs in correct positions
Only played best midfield 3 in last 2 games
And he hasn’t a clue which wide men to play in each game

[kentonclaret]

The process could start by playing the best players you have in each position, to many games we have swapped it.

Best keeper at the club hasn’t played a league game yet
Best two centre backs haven’t played together yet in, Ekdal and Beyer (both injured now)
Took 3 league games to finally play your only left back and fu backs in correct positions
Only played best midfield 3 in last 2 games
And he hasn’t a clue which wide men to play in each game

Perhaps, like Frank Lampard and others, VK is discovering that playing at the highest level does not guarantee that you will also be an instant success when it comes to football management. Tactics and playing style that proved so successful at Championship level do not always transfer to the PL.

[Bullabill]

Any coach worth his salt will watch today’s display and realise is that all they need to do is a forward press when Trafford has the ball and sooner or later we’ll give the ball away,these tactics worked ever so well against the Championship dross but the big boys will make us pay,I can’t believe VK and his coaching staff are so naive.

Carwin, you've nearly got it right - now you need a space after the comma.

[Aclaret]

The safety net of 35-40 points seems a long way away at the moment......but we'll get there.

[Hedontplayforyou]

It may be a process but it looks baffling when you see the amount of wide players we have when for me we have to shoe horn Amdouni in alongside foster to get the best out of our side , whilst also having Cullen, Brownhill and Berge in there. In essence this means we only play one out and out wide player , which so far has mainly been Koleosho.

This leaves when fit :
Larsen
Tresor (self proclaimed best as a no.10)
Benson
Zaroury
Odobert
JBG (lesser so these days)
Redmond

That’s 5 out and out wide players, 7 if you include Tresor and JBG who aren’t playing, some of whom don’t even make the match day squad .

I think it’s clear that Berge isn’t a sitting midfielder and is much better in advanced positions so this leaves us pretty much with Cullen and Brownhill sitting but Brownhill is always much more advanced leaving Cullen stranded alone . Unless VK comes up with some genius ideas that we are all unaware of then I’m still none the wiser to how we operate from here on.

Personally I think he wanted to go with Cullen sitting and Berge with Ramsey or Amdouni more advanced plus two wingers but has realised we need to be more solid and has subsequently tried to fit everyone in with not much reward.

[Swizzlestick]

Noticed Massengo wasn’t on the bench yesterday, not sure what the situation is with him.

[mkmel]

Zaroury not in our starting 11 yes I can understand.

But not even on our bench is a head scratcher.

Unless of course he is injured, sick or has personal issues

[Darnhill Claret]

Played for an under age team 21's or 18's. Probably needs to get minutes into his legs.

[Spijed]

Sheffield United have been shocking, worse than us. No idea where this ‘they have more steel than us’ thing comes from. Can only imagine the reaction on here if Newcastle put 8 past us at the Turf. At least we’ve been creating chances (before yesterday anyway).

Incidentally, Souza was getting absolute pelters by their fanbase on their forum.

I think it's because Sheff United were still in the games against Man City and Spurs with just a few minutes to go. We were dead and buried in the same fixtures pretty much by half time.

[Hipper]

That Norwich side somehow beat Man City! Anyway that's irrelevant and I agree with your point.

As I think I posted before, it seems to me The Premier League contains three sections: what is now the top seven - City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool; a middle group of six - Palace (and they looked dire last night without Eze or Olice), Wolves, Brighton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Fulham; and the bottom seven - Luton, Sheff Utd, Us, Bournemouth, Everton, Brentford, Forest. With the current way we are playing we can beat the other bottom six, maybe get something off the mid six and have no chance with the top seven.

Looked at this way, five of our matches (against the top seven) went as expected - a defeat or thrashing. We've played one of the middle group, Villa, and were well beaten. And we've played two of the bottom sides and got four points and were unfortunate not to get six.

We don't have the players to play like Palace say, or Dyche type football. Unfortunately VK has chosen to invest (an awful lot of money) solely on playing one way (and also to generate money in the future) and if it doesn't worked we're f...d. There is the winter transfer window to maybe correct this of course but Pace and com will have to judge carefully how to approach this - still put their faith in VK or......

As I think has been said before, this is one big experiment VK is carrying out at the club's expense. Pace and co have agreed to it. If he fails he can walk (or be pushed) away. Our board will have to deal with the consequences. Maybe relegation is factored in to their calculations?

A big next four games where we need at least nine points.

[Hipper]

I should have said three games and at least six points!

[Dingo]

I like the way we're approaching games. I agree it is a process that will evolve over time, hopefully to a point where over the course of the season we'll start extending those very good periods we've had in each game so far and the better results will come. The over-reactions are surprising so early in the season, especially with a rejuvenated and young team and a higher class of opposition. I worry about the stress levels of some of our supporters who get so angry so quickly, it's just not worth it for me. Just keep supporting win, lose or draw - that's how easy being a fan is! Yes, we can have opinions on what we want to see, it's easy in hindsight, but VK and the coaching staff are better placed than me and most of us to decide how to go about each game, and that's what the owners have bought into too.

[Vegas Claret]

I'm all for the process and I'm right behind the long term vision of the club BUT second half yesterday was dreadful, no energy but more importantly no organization. What exactly are we doing on the training ground ? Surely, in these type of game when we know it's going to be difficult we should be giving Jack Cork minutes ? (until we find the new Jack Cork)

Experience is massive in this league