Cherlsea’s goals

[NewClaret]

Just watched them back.

AAD very unlucky with the first. Could’ve actually left it but he wasn’t to know.

Thought the pen looked outside the box? Hard to say on my phone but didn’t look inside. On the line at worst. And Sterling had over

Next two O’Shea very questionable. I thought he’d done well watching it live but take that back. Feel subbing AAD was an error today.

[Elizabeth]

Just watched them back.

AAD very unlucky with the first. Could’ve actually left it but he wasn’t to know.

Thought the pen looked outside the box? Hard to say on my phone but didn’t look inside. On the line at worst. And Sterling had over

Next two O’Shea very questionable. I thought he’d done well watching it live but take that back. Feel subbing AAD was an error today.

We just didn't look prepared in that second half , what happened in the dressing room at half time? We normally do a warm up routine by the side of the pitch before the second half starts but that didn't happen today
Its speculation of course and maybe just trying to find some kind of logic for such a reversal of first half form and Al D's absence after scoring an own goal

[bobinho]

Yet another “experiment” that went wonky… ok if they are against Chelsea, manure, Man City and spurs, as long as it helps us be right for when we play Luton, Brentford, Bournemouth, sheff Utd, Everton, Fulham etc.

[NewClaret]

Didn’t notice that but that is odd.

AAD substitute baffling for me unless something went on in the dressing room at HT.

[Stayingup]

Top and bottom for me is:- first we need a settled back four. Beyer and Eckdal, for now Taylor at left back and a new right back. A tough strong midfield player. Help for Foster up front.

[4midable]

Irrelevent
We did nothing after our goal

[Vegas Claret]

If AAD wasn't injured it was a strange one. I'll repeat what I said elsewhere, how do we spend close to 100 million and have 2 of the starting back 4 today costing a combined fee of 2 million with zero PL experience - that's suicide.

[Sharbtastic]

Didn’t notice that but that is odd.

AAD substitute baffling for me unless something went on in the dressing room at HT.

Have you heard something?

Did he come out and sit on the bench for the second half?

Maybe he went to the 110 Club…

[Vegas Claret]

Irrelevent
We did nothing after our goal

did you miss the chance Tresor had to make it 2-0 from Odeberts cross ? I'm not sure we even came out for the second half though

[MG70]

We have to put Muric back in. For me he saves the own goal and I think he makes himself big enough to save Sterling's goal. I don't think Trafford is big enough, or commanding enough.

[dsr]

Irrelevent
We did nothing after our goal

Odobert had a shot tipped over.

[dsr]

We have to put Muric back in. For me he saves the own goal and I think he makes himself big enough to save Sterling's goal. I don't think Trafford is big enough, or commanding enough.

You should have said Muric would have saved the penalty too. People might think you were serious only having him save two of them.

[MG70]

You should have said Muric would have saved the penalty too. People might think you were serious only having him save two of them.

Good one. If by this stage, you think Trafford has been good enough you're delusional.

[steve1264b]

Goal 1 - Deflection, you can argue its unlucky (It wasn't, Vintiho didn't stop or slow down Sterling once all game, he didn't get a lot of help)

Goal 2 - Penalty, gave the ball away in our half

Goal 3 - Gave the ball away in our half

Goal 4 - who cares.

Last season we did this as well but often other teams did not have the skill and pace to take advantage.

Last season we had a get out ball we don't seem to have this year.

The long pass, we had Tella, we often pinged the ball diagonally for him to run on to. This season we are trying to play out more often without the diagonal ball.

The different in the two halves (in my humble opinion) was that Chelsea increased the pace of the game and pressed onto us making more difficult to play out.

I read on another thread someone comparing us to Norwich when we schooled them in life in the premier league.

On yesterdays game the Dyche relegated team would beat this team, not because they had better players but because they would out muscle us and pray on our weaknesses at the back. They would pen us in and wear us down.

We must stop giving the ball away in our half, our wide players need to offer themselves and look to run past defenders for the long diagonal ball.

[Kuriosoranj]

Goal 1 - should Vitinho be blocking a poor cross at that height? I would say so.

Goal 2 - poor challenge from Vitinho. Needed to stay on his feet.

Goal 3 - Ramsey gave it away, Berge went to ground, Delcroix and O'Shea positioning very poor.

Goal 4 - Should O'Shea be the man tracking Sterling?

Our goal - lovely build up play, Lyle looking composed on the ball like he had bags of time to pick that pass, nice finish from Odobert.

Sterling was the difference, we couldnt handle him.

Our style is our style and i dont think our defensive woes are going to disappear. We just have to put up with and hope that we get some results from the teams around us.

[Kuriosoranj]

After laying into Vitnihos defending, forgot to give massive credit to him for our goal. Great run forward, well timed, great pass.

[Quicknick]

Goal 1 - Deflection, you can argue its unlucky (It wasn't, Vintiho didn't stop or slow down Sterling once all game, he didn't get a lot of help)

Goal 2 - Penalty, gave the ball away in our half

Goal 3 - Gave the ball away in our half

Goal 4 - who cares.

Last season we did this as well but often other teams did not have the skill and pace to take advantage.

Last season we had a get out ball we don't seem to have this year.

The long pass, we had Tella, we often pinged the ball diagonally for him to run on to. This season we are trying to play out more often without the diagonal ball.

The different in the two halves (in my humble opinion) was that Chelsea increased the pace of the game and pressed onto us making more difficult to play out.

I read on another thread someone comparing us to Norwich when we schooled them in life in the premier league.

On yesterdays game the Dyche relegated team would beat this team, not because they had better players but because they would out muscle us and pray on our weaknesses at the back. They would pen us in and wear us down.

We must stop giving the ball away in our half, our wide players need to offer themselves and look to run past defenders for the long diagonal ball.

Best analysis of our weaknesses I have read. And I agree. Dyche's Burnley would beat Kompany's side. Not that I'd want Dyche back, I have to state. I just think Kompany needs to develop some pragmatism.

[Belgianclaret]

"Best analysis of our weaknesses I have read. And I agree. Dyche's Burnley would beat Kompany's side. Not that I'd want Dyche back, I have to state. I just think Kompany needs to develop some pragmatism."

Dyche's side could not even beat Luton at home...

Dyche made exactly the same mistake against Newcastle (twice) when Saint Maximin tore us apart...

Onwards & upwards

[Rick_Muller]

From the highlights Sterling bought the pen and fooled the officials again. He was already going down and hanging out his leg for Vitinho to catch even though the ball was almost over the goal line. And it was outside the box too.

Cheating is all that is, but Vitinho shouldn’t have challenged, Sterling was never getting the ball anyway.

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AAD was so unlucky with the first, could have gone anywhere, but happened to fly into the net.

[Dark Cloud]

First goal is extremely unfortunate, but the other three are firmly in the self destruct category. How to throw a game away. Page one, lesson one. Very, very frustrating!!

[NewClaret]

From the highlights Sterling bought the pen and fooled the officials again. He was already going down and hanging out his leg for Vitinho to catch even though the ball was almost over the goal line. And it was outside the box too.

Cheating is all that is, but Vitinho shouldn’t have challenged, Sterling was never getting the ball anyway.

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AAD was so unlucky with the first, could have gone anywhere, but happened to fly into the net.

Having watched it back I’m unsure how VAR didn’t overrule that one for being outside the box?!?

But a stupid, unnecessary challenge nevertheless.

[Rick_Muller]

Having watched it back I’m unsure how VAR didn’t overrule that one for being outside the box?!?

But a stupid, unnecessary challenge nevertheless.

We won’t have a week of media furore goading Kompany to want a replay…

[Zenwisdom]

Not sure what system we play but you can’t give Sterling that much room beyond belief it’s football not chess game

[blake's wand]

There's a lot of revisionism going on here - Chelsea have given us a number of hidings under Dyche at the turf:

18 Aug 2014 Burnley v Chelsea L 1-3 Premier
12 Feb 2017 Burnley v Chelsea D 1-1 Premier League
19 Apr 2018 Burnley v Chelsea L 1-2 Premier
28 Oct 2018 Burnley v Chelsea L 0-4 Premier
26 Oct 2019 Burnley v Chelsea L 2-4 Premier
31 Oct 2020 Burnley v Chelsea L 0-3 Premier
05 Mar 2022 Burnley v Chelsea L 0-4 Premier
07 Oct 2023 Burnley v Chelsea L 1-4 Premier

Yesterday wasn't a good day, but let's not pretend we usually do much better against a team of world class players

[dsr]

Good one. If by this stage, you think Trafford has been good enough you're delusional.

You mean you genuinely think that Trafford should have saved the first and third goals? Sorry, I thought you were on the wind-up.

However, your "delusional" comment is arrogant and foolish. If you believe that your opinion is right and all other opinions are not just wrong, but cannot possibly be right, then you need to think again.

[Spindles]

You mean you genuinely think that Trafford should have saved the first and third goals?

I think he means that the extra bit of height Myric has would have enabled him to tip it over the bar. It ballooned into the net just over Trafford's fingers, not his fault but another 2 inch of reach and he saves it.

[MG70]

I think he means that the extra bit of height Myric has would have enabled him to tip it over the bar. It ballooned into the net just over Trafford's fingers, not his fault but another 2 inch of reach and he saves it.

Thanks Spindles, that's exactly what I meant and dsr knows that.
But he's one of the gang who like to jump on someone when they have an opinion of their own. Sadly, one of the reasons I rarely post on here.

[CoolClaret]

The long pass, we had Tella, we often pinged the ball diagonally for him to run on to. This season we are trying to play out more often without the diagonal ball.

Do you think Traff has that in his locker? Because I don’t, doesn’t have the vision or ability that Don Muric does with the ball.

[boatshed bill]

I think he means that the extra bit of height Myric has would have enabled him to tip it over the bar. It ballooned into the net just over Trafford's fingers, not his fault but another 2 inch of reach and he saves it.

Trafford: 1.97 metres
Muric: 1.98 metres

Something I am seeing is that Trafford really does look a lot smaller than he is.

[Gazclaret83]

Top and bottom for me is:- first we need a settled back four. Beyer and Eckdal, for now Taylor at left back and a new right back. A tough strong midfield player. Help for Foster up front.

100% agree with this. Why not Jack cork though. Can't understand why he doesn't even get on, he's pretty assured on the ball an can hold play. We're just aimlessly kicking the ball to the opposition an don't have a clue how to play the way kompany wants to .

[MG70]

Trafford: 1.97 metres
Muric: 1.98 metres

Something I am seeing is that Trafford really does look a lot smaller than he is.

I didn’t realise they were so similar in height, if that’s the case then I hold my hand up. Muric does look a lot taller though like you say.

[Foshiznik]

The way people go on about Muric, I’m surprised they haven’t claimed he would’ve stopped sterling turning around O’Shea in his own half and running 60 yards with the ball for the fourth too.

[It Is What It Is]

We have to put Muric back in. For me he saves the own goal and I think he makes himself big enough to save Sterling's goal. I don't think Trafford is big enough, or commanding enough.

Yes maybe, but how do you justify putting a £17 million keeper on the bench? I will always back any team VK puts out, including the new starters v Chelski. VK is not afraid to mix his outfield players about...so why not the keeper?

[dsr]

Thanks Spindles, that's exactly what I meant and dsr knows that.
But he's one of the gang who like to jump on someone when they have an opinion of their own. Sadly, one of the reasons I rarely post on here.

Quite genuinely, I thought that the idea that any goalkeeper can consistently stop Sterling from scoring a one-on-one was so ridiculous as to be a wind-up - and of course the idea that Muric's extra centimetre would stop the first goal didn't occur to me, nor did the idea that you didn't know how tall our goalkeepers were. I thought your views were wrong, so wrong that I thought you were on the wind-up, but I don't accuse you of any sort of mental delusions for having them. To accuse someone of being delusional for having different views, now that would indeed be being "part of a gang who like to jump on people". I suggest you resign from that gang.

[jlup1980]

All the Chelsea goals were avoidable. Vitinho and Tresor for the first and the second. Ramsey for the third and O'Shea for the fourth. All silly errors that your can't make at this level. That said VK takes the blame for the overall performance. The line up was confusing and the subs even more so. It's very worrying and suggests he doesn't know what his first 11 is yet.

The second half was as bad as anything we watched under SD. That's not a knee jerk reaction, it's just the truth. There was no plan. At least with SD you could see what he was trying to do. It might have been awful to watch but at least you could see the plan. I still don't know what VK was trying to do in the second half. Of all the defenders used on Saturday, only AAD and Roberts are even slightly capable of playing out from the back - and even then, they're limited in what they can do. O'Shea and Delcroix were absolutely shocking - really, really poor. You have to adapt and try Plan B (if we have a Plan B that is!).

We can have a pop at Trafford again but he wasn't at fault for the goals we conceded and, lets be honest, we could have Ederson in goal and he wouldn't have a chance when the back four is being changed as much as it is. VK needs to decide what his back 4 is and stick to it as much as possible. You can't be changing 2 or 3 or the back 4 for the sake of it. There's a lot of questions and not a lot of answers at the moment.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I can see the logic of playing Vitinho and to be fair he set our goal up. But it needed experience against Sterling or Mudryk, whoever ended up playing. The AAD sub was inexplicable because he has pace, if injured fair enough or if his head had dropped massively after the OG. The Beyer injury was bad for us because we needed his quality in that role.

Everything bad that came from their goals came from that defensive selection (if we ignore a £100m+ midfielder mugging Ramsey, something I can excuse because he snapped into him like lightening).

What also doesn't get mentioned was how easy it was to play Sterling offside for that 3rd goal. As soon as Gallagher got the ball a Mee or Tarkowski would have barked out a command and they would step up a yard. Sterling was poised on the last man and the danger was obvious, hopefully if Beyer was in with AAD or Ekdal that would not have happened.

But apart from their goal we all agree heads dropped 2nd half but actually we had 8 shots to their 4 in the 2nd half after they didn’t look like scoring in the first. They had 21 shots v Forest when they lost, less than half that against us across 90 mins. So really all the angst should be about that defensive fragility against pace, it didn’t feel like “worst 2nd half ever” which is what some are saying.