Brentford v Burnley match thread.

[Cazaris]

Trafford's saves might be keeping us in it at this point, but his distribution is once again terrible. Has he found a yellow shirt this half yet with a long pass?

[ksrclaret]

Delighted at 0-1. Thr boys are about to get a good old fashioned rollicking here I'd imagine. Let's hope it does the trick. Brentford aren't that great, we can still get a result here

Not sure our wet wipes will respond to a good old fashioned rollicking

[ClaretAL]

Again no consistency on team selection or position. I don’t know what VK is seeing on the training pitch but please get the best 11 on the pitch and let them gel instead of tinkering every match

Koleosho been our best player—- benched
Zaroury stood out on the left wing last season not played there once this season
Larson looked good—- benched

List goes on

[Rileybobs]

Long time to go and I hope I get egg on my face. But this team is dreadful.

[RVclaret]

We've no battlers in this team, everyone of them is powder puff soft.

Hard to disagree there albeit maybe not to that extent. But definitely lack a physical ball winning presence in midfield.

[boyyanno]

Can only think those who can't remember a worse performance missed the 09/10 season and Dyche's last season.

I think the vast majority of players in the team are comfortably good enough for this league (unsure on O'Shea and too early to say on Odobert/Tresor) and are playing way, way below their standard.

Imagine there have been worse performances but it's been a long time since we looked so uncompetitive at this level.

I'd rather knock it long for 90 mins and have a chance of nicking somthing (ala dyche) over misplacing passes across the 90 and getting hammered. We can't keep playing this way and Kompany is going to have to learn very quickly. Brownhill not playing today was a baffling decision.

[Murger]

Vincent will change it at ht . Berg off and Cork on.

Bet he doesn’t.

[jedi_master]

The problem with the Trafford abuse is that he’s being judged playing behind a woefully out of form and confidence Al-Dakhil and a, sorry to say it but it’s my opinion, barely Kevin Long level O’Shea. He is making saves but the unit is struggling due to players being out of their depth around him. Roberts was superb last season but is back to looking out of his depth in this league again for example.

[spt_claret]

Completely wrong call by VAR official, Collins was onside. We could be 2 down and probably should.

Trafford's made 2 scary mistakes that didn't affect anything but 2 absolutely phenomenal saves which have kept us in it. I've been in the Muric camp but Trafford is our best player so far, followed by Foster or Amdouni.

Get Tresor & Odobert off, they've been poor. Brun Larsen and Zaroury or Koleosho on, preference Zaroury. Maybe Brownhill for Berge, he's been absent.

[RVclaret]

Trafford's saves might be keeping us in it at this point, but his distribution is once again terrible. Has he found a yellow shirt this half yet with a long pass?

Our best chance of the game came from one of his line breaking passes to Amdouni

[NewClaret]

We’d be 4-0 down with Muric in goal today.

Even as someone who has called for Muric’s return, I agree Trafford looks a better shot stopper.

What I do t know is whether we’d be playing better and retaining the ball more with Muric in the side.

[Woody9229]

The Trafford thing isn't an agendas in my view. The bottom line is he is the worst keeper in this division. He might have potential but he isnt Premier League standard yet. What is worse though his poor distribution puts our defence under pressure and ruins our passing out from the back strategy. Admittedly he has made some decent saves this first half but most are saves he should have made and anyway I didn't say he was useless just not Premier League standard yet. Regardless at this rate he will be playing in the Championship next season.

[Pickles]

We have been poor in comparison to the games at Luton or Forest. Kompany looking way too naive in his selections in my opinion.

I don't want to sound grumpy but if we aren't competing against sides like Brentford then we might as well pack up. Bored to the back teeth so far this season of people saying we've had difficult fixtures. Today is one of the ones where a win, or a good performance, is way more attainable. But it hasn't happened, has it. We've been bad. Again.

[burnleymik]

So is Trafford the worst goal keeper or keeping us in it?

I'm struggling to see past the agendas

The usual for Trafford. Great shot stopper, poor on the ball and looks very shaky on high balls into the box.

No doubt his saves have kept us in this.

[JimmyRobbo]

So what now?

I everything in your life as dour as you appear on here?

Enjoy the fact that we have progressive owners who want to invest and will continue to invest. I am sure people there understand where our weaknesses are. It's a long game. Not just 45 mins. It's 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 seasons of building.

[claretburns]

Let's hope this is our Sunderland game this season and we come out 2nd half with a different performance.

[Guller Bull]

Foster worked hard
Taylor done well
Trafford done well

Rest need to sort their shite out.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

If we can get half time at 1-0, I’m backing us to win.

And we just have. We’ll win this.

Why? Dunno - watch though.

Love your positivity. He can't send the same team out. We need some ******* fight in the middle to protect our back line and the tempo of passing needs increasing. I want Browny and Cork on minimum. Some desire to fight.

[BabylonClaret]

If we can get half time at 1-0, I’m backing us to win.

And we just have. We’ll win this.

Why? Dunno - watch though.

Wellington I were a home fan I would be thi king that we (brentford) should be out of sight and that they (us) couldn't be worse and must be better 2nd half.

So I kind of agree - they can be got at but we need to stiffen up the midfield. Brownhill HAS to be in there - I'd pull Amdouni who once again is a complete passenger.

[BigGaz]

Not sure our wet wipes will respond to a good old fashioned rollicking

This part I don’t understand at all. Kompany was famed for his aggressiveness, intensity and all the rest of it. I just can’t see him having this passiveness. Has he not done his research on these guys character before they’ve been signed, are they not listening to him, do they just not care, are they just not good or smart enough to carry out his instructions?

[DCWat]

Trafford has made some decent saves. I think he’s pretty low down on the list of issues that we have, today.

Put Muric in this side, with the way that they seem incapable of operating in tight spaces with their back to goal and we’d probably see the issues in defence and midfield amplified even more.

Cullen and Berge as a midfield two is far too slow and not solid enough to provide a base to work from. O’Shea and to a lesser extent Al-Dakhil are not comfortable in possession or with players running at them.

So much work to be done on this team and I’m just not sure that we have the players to resolve the issues that we have.

[BOYSIE31]

Shocking

[jojomk1]

Quality reinforcements in January, and Beyer and Ekdal
returning probably the only chance.

Wouldn't expect any quality replacements in Jan if VK is choosing them

[ElectroClaret]

..Brentford aren't that great...

They've half their first choices out, thats why.
And we still can't lay a glove on em.

[willsclarets]

Lord knows why we're focusing on the goalkeeper here, there's at least 7 others players who need to book their ideas up in the second half before he does

[NewClaret]

We need big changes at HT.

Can’t remember watching such ****e in a long time.

Only positive is that we’re not dead and buried, which we should be.

[HahaYeah]

Amdouni has played well.

[SalisburyClaret]

We should play with a midfield - that would be a good start
Brownhill Cork and Cullen need to start
One No 10 is enough
The set play mastermind needs sacking

[daveisaclaret]

But they aren't showing it. Too many of the players out there today have been our weakest so far and it's showing. This is pretty much 09/10 re run without the good start at home whilst the promoted side rode the euphoria

How can you call it 09/10 rerun? We have got as many points in our first 3 away games as we did in that whole season.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

I’m sorry but this is unacceptably bad - and this is the problem with this constant narrative on here of “It’s fine, we’ll rinse the **** teams”. There’s too much pressure on games like this for such a young team with no leaders.

So poor.

People won't or refuse to accept it when it's as plain as the nose on their face. It says more about them though tbf

[Sgt. Pepper]

I feel sorry for Trafford, I don't think he's the problem, but Kompany may well damage his confidence, and harm his career by continuing to expect him to play in a way which he doesn't seem capable (yet), behind a makeshift/leaky defence who also lack cohesion.
Recruitment over the summer has been puzzling in some ways, and we have been unfortunate with injuries at CB, but it was never going to be easy to compete with any teams barring the bottom six, such is the gulf between the Championship and the Premier League.
We are trying to outplay teams who have better quality players, and we lack the physicality (and possibly tactical desire) to resort to a more direct "Plan B" when required.
Kompany is obviously still learning at this level, but like many successful people he seems to be very single-minded. What looks like dedication to an ideal when you're winning starts to look like a blinkered stubbornness when results aren't good.
Fingers crossed he turns it round.

[It Is What It Is]

We've all been eagerly awaiting this game for the last two weeks with the real hope of a result.
This has got to be the worst incohesive performance since VK arrived.
Big Bollockings needed by VK and 3 changes made for second half.
It's woeful.

[gandhisflipflop]

Might be a bit of hyperbole

But have ever we played worst football than this in the premier league?

We don’t even look remotely close

Norwich away 2022

[Pickles]

I everything in your life as dour as you appear on here?

More so

[TommyPicks]

Apart from the odd 20 mins here and there, we’ve not consistently put in a good performance for the full 90.

I thought in the 2nd half of the Luton game we were incredibly lucky not to concede further. The won everything aerially in our box.

[KRBFC]

Desperately need Beyer and Ekdal back in, Dakhils a good young talent but he’s not ready and making costly errors every game. Tresor doesn’t look like a winger to me.

[NewClaret]

We've all been eagerly awaiting this game for the last two weeks with the real hope of a result.
This has got to be the worst incohesive performance since VK arrived.
Big Bollockings needed by VK and 3 changes made for second half.
It's woeful.

VK needs a good look at himself too: Berge, Amdouni, Odobert, Foster, Tresor

AWAY

in a game we need to win.

[RVclaret]

Norwich away 2022

Last trip to Brentford was woeful too

[Boss Hogg]

The Trafford thing isn't an agendas in my view. The bottom line is he is the worst keeper in this division. He might have potential but he isnt Premier League standard yet. What is worse though his poor distribution puts our defence under pressure and ruins our passing out from the back strategy. Admittedly he has made some decent saves this first half but most are saves he should have made and anyway I didn't say he was useless just not Premier League standard yet. Regardless at this rate he will be playing in the Championship next season.

This. Doubt he’ll keep a clean sheet all season. Nowhere near good enough to be PL goalkeeper yet. I remember Joe Hart not being individually dreadful but he wasn’t as good as the other keepers and as soon as we replaced him the team played better.

[Rileybobs]

At least we’ve got loads of players who we’re going to sell for tens of millions. I mean surely they’ll all be in demand.

[JimmyRobbo]

Norwich away 2022

Yep. That was dire.

[KRBFC]

Trafford has made some decent saves. I think he’s pretty low down on the list of issues that we have, today.

Put Muric in this side, with the way that they seem incapable of operating in tight spaces with their back to goal and we’d probably see the issues in defence and midfield amplified even more.

Cullen and Berge as a midfield two is far too slow and not solid enough to provide a base to work from. O’Shea and to a lesser extent Al-Dakhil are not comfortable in possession or with players running at them.

So much work to be done on this team and I’m just not sure that we have the players to resolve the issues that we have.

Would help if we had Ekdal and Beyer available

[Clive 1960]

Basically we spent 100 million and look worse than last season and with young players it takes time.

[Leyland Claret]

Shambolic performance. We are deep deep in trouble in this league. No leaders, laboured movement and passing, losing every one v one battle. The list goes on. I honestly don’t know where we go from here. My eyes are bleeding

[jedi_master]

I don’t like to single individual players out…but I am going to have to in regards to O’Shea. He cost £7m apparently? He is Kevin Long level. I am shocked at his performances for us. Expected so much more for a pretty experienced player for his age.

[Pickles]

Yep. That was dire.

Quite a dour comment...

[CrosspoolClarets]

Completely crap, our transfers have been horrendous.

Amdouni - excellent player, 3rd highest scorer in Euro qualifying behind Mbappe and Ronaldo
Berge - superb player, when playing attacking midfield
Koleosho / Odobert - teenagers for the next 2/3 years
Tresor - still think he will turn into a top player at this level but needs to adapt to the game speed

Jury out on some of the others but important we don’t lose perspective, its miserable enough today as it is.

Not lost on me my above picks are all attacking midfielders or forwards. That’s the error last summer. Without a doubt. But January is only 2.5 mths away.

[Paddy1882]

Get a grip of midfield and there’s something in this for us. Cork, Brownhill and brunn larsen on for berge, odobert, tresor we can get something.

[willsclarets]

Agree on ekdal. Desperately need a bit of calm back there. Tresor has done OK for me that half tbh. Would like to see larsen on the left second half

[Colburn_Claret]

I pray that VK makes the changes now, and doesn't give this lot the chance to put the game out of reach.