Muric and Zaroury

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 4:56 pm

Seriously what do they have to do, two fan favourites part of a great side last season that know 'the system' yet neither can get any minutes let alone games despite poor players in front of them.

Bruun Larsson has to start too now and it's time Cullen was dropped for Cork to add some bite because we're being bullied.
Never saw this coming 6 months ago but wow how bad have we become, it's becoming unwatchable

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm

And again........... At least you might stop watching now...

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:02 pm

The Zaroury omission is mind boggling. Tresor has looked sub-standard, he’s a million miles from this level currently (and he’s not alone in that, Amdouni is a concern at this point despite some nice touches too).

Zaroury has earned his chance.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:03 pm

Both omissions are an absolute disgrace.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Muric, is not getting back in. He is done at Burnley.

Zaroury is a mystery.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Lowbank regularly makes up stories. Only he knows why.

Muric has already played for Burnley this season and will do again when VK finally sees sense.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Trafford was probably our best player today.

Zaroury, no idea, Kompany doesn’t think he’s up to it yet seemingly.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm
And again........... At least you might stop watching now...

What's your problem? Block me if you don't want to see my posts. I've given an honest opinion and your starting to look like a one man band by disagreeing

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:04 pm
Muric, is not getting back in. He is done at Burnley.

So, if you are really in the know, if this was/is the case why didn't we ship him out in the summer?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:09 pm

Muric wouldn’t make any difference to this teams issues sadly - look at that defence.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:10 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
So, if you are really in the know, if this was/is the case why didn't we ship him out in the summer?

He’s made up stories on here before about being invited to training by Steve Cotterill etc. CT exposed him on this occasion.

He’s absolutely not in the know.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:11 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
Zaroury, no idea, Kompany doesn’t think he’s up to it yet seemingly.

Yet worryingly he thinks Tresor is.

Blatherwickstattoo · Post by **Blatherwickstattoo** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:19 pm

We didn’t buy enough full backs or central midfielders . Shocking transfer window really

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:21 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:11 pm
Yet worryingly he thinks Tresor is.

Koleosho and Odabert aren't as good as Zaroury yet either

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm

I haven’t seen players running through brick walls for each other this season. And I’m starting to wonder whether VK’s ‘lack of loyalty’ to some of last season’s key players has had a hugely detrimental impact in the camp. Can anyone honestly say that our players are giving 100% at the moment?

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:24 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm
I haven’t seen players running through brick walls for each other this season. And I’m starting to wonder whether VK’s ‘lack of loyalty’ to some of last season’s key players has had a hugely detrimental impact in the camp. Can anyone honestly say that our players are giving 100% at the moment?

I said this right at the beginning when Zaroury got his red card it was frustration he'd earned his start opening day and was dropped for an inexperienced 18 year old.
Players don't forget these things sadly he could be losing the squad by the looks of it

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:24 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:25 pm

Muric, Cork and Zaroury all better than what we witnessed in the same positions today and most of this season so far.

The lack of effort and fight is the most concerning for me from a team that was so together last season.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:27 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:22 pm
I haven’t seen players running through brick walls for each other this season. And I’m starting to wonder whether VK’s ‘lack of loyalty’ to some of last season’s key players has had a hugely detrimental impact in the camp. Can anyone honestly say that our players are giving 100% at the moment?

I think is likely to be a huge factor affecting our alarming backwards slide this season.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:28 pm

Muric will leave before playing for us

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:37 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
Trafford was probably our best player today.

Not for his distribution he wasn’t. How many times did he get caught?

Some standard saves, yes. MOTM? Not sure anyone deserves it.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:42 pm

box_of_frogs wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:37 pm
Not for his distribution he wasn’t.

Arguably he was. The team were all dire in possession, particularly the ones paid to use their feet most of the time.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:43 pm

Talk about player development and selling on for a profit

- it’s a disgrace that these two have had their development stifled like they have done.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:50 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:00 pm
And again........... At least you might stop watching now...

He not wrong though, is he?

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:52 pm

bumba wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
What's your problem? Block me if you don't want to see my posts. I've given an honest opinion and your starting to look like a one man band by disagreeing

Don't bother he's the second village idiot after you know who.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:53 pm

Zaroury certainly deserves his chance

Muric was ok for half a season but we need a shot stopper at the moment and he ain’t it

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:54 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:25 pm

The lack of effort and fight is the most concerning for me from a team that was so together last season.

Spot on.

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:57 pm

We had such a fabulous side last season, I can’t comprehend why we’ve made a conscious decision to dismantle it so quickly.

We’ve lost all momentum and cohesion, and the players who did so well for us last season must be irked. The connection between players and fans has completely gone too. It really is gutting to see.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but not buying THB, Tella and Maatsen is looking more baffling by the week. Not keeping Barnes is also questionable at the moment. He certainly wouldnt be putting up with that half arsed display.

I don’t think it can be underestimated how much we miss Tella’s movement and pressing off the ball.

Bridging the gap was always going to be difficult, but by god have we made it so much harder for ourselves.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:09 pm

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:52 pm
Don't bother he's the second village idiot after you know who.

Voldemort?

Carlos the Great · Post by **Carlos the Great** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:17 pm

Some very worrying behind the scenes situations going on :. Im mystified how both Zaroury and Muric are not getting into the team
..we have tried to strengthen areas that were fine and it’s looking like it’s backfired .. anyone that thinks this team is better than the one that romped championship is deluded

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:17 pm

Still love the idea that Muric has done something so bad that he can't be in the team, except in cup games, and it's fine for him to be on the bench, and we didn't sell him when we signed two goalies.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:19 pm

Carlos the Great wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:17 pm
Some very worrying behind the scenes situations going on :. Im mystified how both Zaroury and Muric are not getting into the team
..we have tried to strengthen areas that were fine and it’s looking like it’s backfired .. anyone that thinks this team is better than the one that romped championship is deluded

What’s with your use of full stops and colons by the way? Noticed this on your posts and curious?:.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:42 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:08 pm
Lowbank regularly makes up stories. Only he knows why.

Muric has already played for Burnley this season and will do again when VK finally sees sense.

If I could PM you I would, but what happened is kinda unbelievable.
And no I don’t make up stories.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:42 pm
If I could PM you I would, but what happened is kinda unbelievable.
And no I don’t make up stories.

Why not just tell?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:53 pm

Muric was ok for half a season but we need a shot stopper at the moment and he ain’t it

TBF he didn't get many shots to save.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm

Because lowbank would be Opening himself up for a libel lawsuit?

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:46 pm

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 5:57 pm
We had such a fabulous side last season, I can’t comprehend why we’ve made a conscious decision to dismantle it so quickly.

We’ve lost all momentum and cohesion, and the players who did so well for us last season must be irked. The connection between players and fans has completely gone too. It really is gutting to see.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but not buying THB, Tella and Maatsen is looking more baffling by the week. Not keeping Barnes is also questionable at the moment. He certainly wouldnt be putting up with that half arsed display.

I don’t think it can be underestimated how much we miss Tella’s movement and pressing off the ball.

Bridging the gap was always going to be difficult, but by god have we made it so much harder for ourselves.

The summer business is now starting to be seriously questionable. Nothing we have brought in is so far is an improvement on players such as Maatsen, THB and Tella. Given the way last season went I expected a bit of a ‘bounce’ in the first few games but then we decided to almost start afresh.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:46 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:42 pm
If I could PM you I would, but what happened is kinda unbelievable.
And no I don’t make up stories.

Whatever Lowbank

As I posted further up, CT has called you out before on making up stories that weren’t true.

I just don’t buy it

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:47 pm

Darthlaw wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm
Because lowbank would be Opening himself up for a libel lawsuit?

Well yes, if he is making it up.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:47 pm

Got to love the idea of bringing in a keeper who will force our defenders and midfielders to receive the ball even more in tight spaces, with their backs to goal.

One of our bigger issues so far has been our inability to play it out from the back effectively - we are pressed and don’t deal with the pressure.

Why add to that?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:48 pm

Darthlaw wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm
Because lowbank would be Opening himself up for a libel lawsuit?

Is this the chap who used to hide behind a hedge at Gawthorpe?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:10 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Whatever Lowbank

As I posted further up, CT has called you out before on making up stories that weren’t true.

I just don’t buy it

Just because his info does not align with mine does not make his info true, and in the same vein make mine true. We both interact with people close to the club or work there.
He runs a very successful website we all love and needs to protect it.
I don’t.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:18 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:48 pm
Is this the chap who used to hide behind a hedge at Gawthorpe?

Gawthorpe used to be open to view , SC invited me in to several training sessions. Which I thin TS said I didn’t. Was he there , erm no.

Under VK they have put up screens on the pitch on the Gawthorpe side of the river.

The new pitches there is no access unless you’re a member of the fishing club which has fishing rights inside the clubs training center.

I am a member but cannot be arsed to go fishing there.

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:19 pm

Brilliant

Why be arsed to go fishing at Gawthorpe when you can do it from the comfort of your living room on here

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:25 pm

On the Trafford debate ,hate to use this as an example but Southgate plays Pickford over Pope because he wants a guy that’s good with his feet over being a brilliant shot stopper like Pope ,Trafford may have made some excellent saves but he doesn’t influence the play like Muric did last season,and I know it’s a tougher league but Muric’s passing ability would work in any division.

spt_claret · Post by **spt_claret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:30 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:18 pm
Gawthorpe used to be open to view , SC invited me in to several training sessions. Which I thin TS said I didn’t. Was he there , erm no.

Under VK they have put up screens on the pitch on the Gawthorpe side of the river.

The new pitches there is no access unless you’re a member of the fishing club which has fishing rights inside the clubs training center.

I am a member but cannot be arsed to go fishing there.

There's inside info I have from some time ago that I don't even allude to if it's something I don't think can be shared.
There's no reason to play coy and teehee about something you claim to know about Muric's transgressions,but not say. If it's something you genuinely can't share you don't **** around on a forum all "oohoho I know something you don't but he did a bad bad". If it's something you can share there's no reason to be shy, because it's something you can come out with that can be substantiated.

In the words of Mother Theresa, **** or get off the pot.

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:58 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:25 pm
On the Trafford debate ,hate to use this as an example but Southgate plays Pickford over Pope because he wants a guy that’s good with his feet over being a brilliant shot stopper like Pope ,Trafford may have made some excellent saves but he doesn’t influence the play like Muric did last season,and I know it’s a tougher league but Muric’s passing ability would work in any division.

Theres also a reason Pope is playing the in Champions League this season and Pickford is (yet again) battling relegation.

When a team has a midfield with the likes of Bellingham, Foden, Grealish, Phillips or even Henderson the argument, that a GK who passes like Pirlo is essential, holds water.

Our outfield players have shown today they are incapable of controlling the ball, keeping possession or in some cases making simple passes at this level. I keep saying it, but worry about the guys using their feet being able to do these basics, before you worry about the guy who uses his hands.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:39 pm

I agree it’s baffling that these two don’t get a chance. Surely there comes a point where you sit down and think, this isn’t working, I have to change it and try and give us a chance. For what it’s worth I’m not sure he’s a lover of Brownhill either, just my opinion of course but I fear VK will move him on.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:51 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:39 pm
I agree it’s baffling that these two don’t get a chance. Surely there comes a point where you sit down and think, this isn’t working, I have to change it and try and give us a chance. For what it’s worth I’m not sure he’s a lover of Brownhill either, just my opinion of course but I fear VK will move him on.

VK needs to have one of those moments when he realises he needs to shelve his pride just like Waddle did with Little and Sean did with Hart ,and play his best team and set up to grind out a few results.

Blatherwickstattoo · Post by **Blatherwickstattoo** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:13 pm

Zaroury was the star boy last season and was the one who I’d have thought would suit the premier league more than the championship. His sending off was daft and set him back but surely he’s going to offer more than tresor who looks like Sunday league player so far. Mind boggling how he’s not starting games