How many games would you give the manager?

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:47 pm

Watch your step if you are heading out into town this evening. There was a mother and baby parade this afternoon and lots of rattles were thrown out of prams. I don't want anyone tripping up and making themselves look like an embarrassing idiot.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:48 pm

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm
People writing Trafford off in the Championship now...give your head a wobble pal

Proved he isn't a premier league keeper yet, never played championship football who is to say he'd cut it?

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:51 pm

VK will sort it out and talk of sack is a Watfordesques reaction that has no place at Turf Moor
Vinnie had a 5yr plan to transform a poor side into a great one.We saw some of the best football last season in many a long year
We just need a few tweeks with our squad and we will be back to our best.Great support again and we need to reward them with a winning run

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:02 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:29 pm
Deserves to be afforded what Dyche was in 14/15 and be able to bring us back up with the experience of what he got wrong this time. He’s more than earned that right after last season - the greatest I have ever witnessed as a Burnley fan with a double over Rovers and winning the title at Ewood.

We’re now seeing why Anderlecht’s board were happy to see him go and why he’s at Burnley. He’s young, naive, inexperienced and has a lot to learn before he’s ready for better than us. Let him learn with us.

Chalk and cheese really.

Dyche nearly kept us up after signing a bunch of journeymen on frees.

I wouldn’t sack him but I’m very concerned about the level of control he has in the club and the lack of experience in English football that we have now at the board level.

bigdavethemaddog · Post by **bigdavethemaddog** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:38 pm

review at Christmas as cant afford to blow the January transfer window if additions are needed

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:41 pm

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:32 pm
Woah. Financially it could well be devastating.

Nah, will be fine. And imagine another year in the best league in Europe. Relax and enjoy the ride.

JohnMac · Post by **JohnMac** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:46 pm

38 then 46 then 38

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:49 pm

We really do have some wonderful fans don't we

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:02 pm

Silly question. We stick with Kompany

Blondeclaret · Post by **Blondeclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:07 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:23 pm
I’m not sure, but pretty sure I read he owns or has a large stake in the analytics firm we use for our scouting.

They have no scouts at 1st team level now all recruitment is done via VK’s own company MUD Analytics & in-house analyists.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:18 pm

jojomk1 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:34 pm
To be honest, the way we are playing at the moment there's not going to be many of this squad with a high resale value

Which is why ( regardless of what some might think) the board won’t accept thrashings each week when they have invested so much money into the playing side. It also doesn’t support the huge investment into the brand awareness. It’s probably a hard sell as it is but being associated with weekly losers will be even harder to sell. It will also be difficult to maintain investors and promotors into new markets.

Longsidejono · Post by **Longsidejono** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:20 pm

Ridiculous to think that Vinny is on the chopping block after last season we are a championship club and the foundations he has given us, get a new manager in with 6-7 players that was persuade by Vinny to join that will help the cause! If we go down then so be it we win the league next year and learn from mistakes, arteta struggled, poch struggling at Chelsea just calm down

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:24 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:05 pm
Sure but by Dec 2nd we'll have played 14 games, at which point Dyche was level on points with 17th (and only 3 points from 13th).

If Vincent is in a similar situation too of course I'd keep him. But that's not guaranteed.

Dyche was relegated in his first PL season

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:36 pm

Lol were a championship club in a small catchment area performing like a championship club in a league way out of our depth - what was you expecting ???

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:08 pm

kenyon6923 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:36 pm
Lol were a championship club in a small catchment area performing like a championship club in a league way out of our depth - what was you expecting ???

Fight, leadership, tactical awareness, logical team selection and more experience in the obvious areas of the pitch would have been a good start.

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:22 pm

It's obvious this isn't working and it's been obvious for weeks. So surely any rational manager must see that and try to address it. Kompany isn't and seems very much of the view that his vision will come good and we'll be ok. That's plainly cobblers , a blind man on a galloping horse can see the issues. We're not here to support a man conducting some sort of experiment and hope it comes right, we p1ssed the Championship and should have been well placed to build on that and battle for PL survival and security. We have plainly made a complete horlicks of that in the summer recruitment shambles and in our tactics and selections this season.

If all that is down to Vincent then he's pretty much used up the credit in the bank from last season and if he won't change, recognise the issues, and where we're inevitably heading, then he will have to be potted.

I hope it doesn't come to that but at the moment he's showing himself to be woefully out of his depth, or deluded, or arrogant, or possibly all of them.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:28 pm

BobSykes posting antagonistic and sensationalised posts - it’s like the good old Clarets Mad days.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:28 pm

1. There is now an investor who has sports knowledge and a high public profile backing Burnley. This investor may have enough influence over Mr Pace to explain that mistakes have been made, but if swift action is taken the position is retrievable. Oh, and Jessie Marsch is available and probably known to the current management.

BobSykes · Post by **BobSykes** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:59 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:28 pm
BobSykes posting antagonistic and sensationalised posts - it’s like the good old Clarets Mad days.

I'm hardly ploughing a lonely furrow on this....

I'm confident Pace will intervene and sort it though. More so than I am of Kompany interevening!

steve1264b · Post by **steve1264b** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:04 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 10:28 pm
1. There is now an investor who has sports knowledge and a high public profile backing Burnley. This investor may have enough influence over Mr Pace to explain that mistakes have been made, but if swift action is taken the position is retrievable. Oh, and Jessie Marsch is available and probably known to the current management.

Brexit - Jessie Marsch.

There are some excellent parody accounts on here but i think you are the best!

Wile E Coyote · Post by **Wile E Coyote** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:13 pm

any critics must surely realise VK knows his stuff, I find it laughable when fans on here pick apart his choice of players and tactics. He knows the game inside out. Thats it.
Do you really think a naive manager would have been capable of taking the reigns of a team in what is often referred to as one of the toughest divisions anywhere, and emerge as champions in his first season.
Clearly the points tally is not good reading, but a new side does need time to get into a rhythm.
A hand full of matches in the premier league is meaningless. Ultimately the team will adapt and grab sufficient points to stay safe, and the building process can continue as planned.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:23 pm

Dyche took us up unexpectedly and we came straight back down
Then he smashed the league taking us up again and we then had a prolonged spell in the top flight and all that came with it

Kompany built a very good championship squad last season and smashed the league
He’s spent a lot of money this summer, we have a squad filled with young, exciting players, many of whom will fetch a pretty penny next summer if we went down

I’d trust Kompany to oversee a rebuild again next summer if worst case happened

He committed to a new deal in the summer, the club have backed him with an eye towards a long term plan

I’m not overly impressed with our lack of points at this stage of the season but equally I can make allowances to a degree because of the number of players

So long as we don’t break Derbys record, I’d be happy to see Kompany stay as manager

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:26 pm

I’m really sad to say Vinny is young enough to be my son. He is a really young manager at this level. Slagging him off is like bashing an 18 year old player. He was a bit wide eyed in his interview. He gave us great things. He now deserves our loyalty. Constructive criticism only.

The only question for me - how come we can add people to our foes list to hide their posts but we still see the stupid threads they start on the main page? Grrrrrr.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:33 pm

I would imagine, from the glimpses that I have seen ( videos/ clips ) that he is bollocking the team. Probably the exact opposite of what is required.
It's on his head , not the players.
He is being out thought, out manoeuvred and physically out fought.
He needs to take a look at himself then the players.

Burnleyareback2 · Post by **Burnleyareback2** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:45 pm

Wonder how many games he will give the fans?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 7:30 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:23 pm

So long as we don’t break Derbys record, I’d be happy to see Kompany stay as manager

If that happened, along with Luton staying up at our expense I don't think anyone would have any complaints if he got sacked at the end of the season.

They are the two scenarios where he'd certainly deserve to be sacked.

brexit · Post by **brexit** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:08 pm

steve1264b wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:04 pm
Brexit - Jessie Marsch.

There are some excellent parody accounts on here, but i think you are the best!

Steve, think about the parallels here

1. Leeds NFL Investor
2. Have a play style that gets them promoted to the PL.
3. The manager signs flair players who leak goals.
4. Manager refusing to change tactics, team heading for relegation.
5. Brings in a Manager who changes tactics, organises the team and saves them from relegation.

Alan Pace has learnt from the Dyche experience and will pot VK if we lose at Bournemouth

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:31 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:33 pm
I'd take not winning again all season if it meant we get to pi$$ the league with Vinny again next year.

I wouldn't. Losing is **** and walking a league is not as exciting as 'winning' it

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:33 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:08 pm
Steve, think about the parallels here

1. Leeds NFL Investor
2. Have a play style that gets them promoted to the PL.
3. The manager signs flair players who leak goals.
4. Manager refusing to change tactics, team heading for relegation.
5. Brings in a Manager who changes tactics, organises the team and saves them from relegation.

Alan Pace has learnt from the Dyche experience and will pot VK if we lose at Bournemouth

No he won’t, please stop being ridiculous.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:36 pm

This thread is proper hilarious.

Some fans would literally see the club in a worse position because VK won the championship

He should get till around Christmas, if we are still this bad and cut adrift he should rightly be sacked.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:37 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:33 pm
No he won’t, please stop being ridiculous.

That's what Leeds fans thought...

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:39 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:24 pm
Dyche was relegated in his first PL season

Comparing that Dyche first season to this is laughable.

Dyche went up with a budget on penny’s down the side of the couch. Even then we were only relegated because of a Matty Taylor missed penalty.

Look at the infrastructure of the club now, the finances we are throwing around. Not even slightly comparable

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:46 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:39 pm
Comparing that Dyche first season to this is laughable.

Dyche went up with a budget on penny’s down the side of the couch. Even then we were only relegated because of a Matty Taylor missed penalty.

Look at the infrastructure of the club now, the finances we are throwing around. Not even slightly comparable

And look at the landscape of the PL now compared to then, it’s significantly harder to stay up now. No longer is it a top 6.

Dyche also inherited and developed some top players like Trippier, Ings, Mee etc. VK has had to build a brand new squad from scratch. You think money just automatically makes cohesion?

Not even sure why I’m arguing with you, you’re an unreasonable fool. You spent last season whining about Kompany, now you’re at it again. You used to whine about Dyche now you’re acting like he’s the best thing since sliced bread.

3 games into a season it took for you to whine, what kind of patience is that for a young manager and new team? You will never be satisfied as a Burnley fan.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:50 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:46 pm
And look at the landscape of the PL now compared to then, it’s significantly harder to stay up now. No longer is it a top 6.

Dyche also inherited and developed some top players like Trippier, Ings, Mee etc. VK has had to build a brand new squad from scratch. You think money just automatically makes cohesion?

Not even sure why I’m arguing with you, you’re an unreasonable fool. You spent last season whining about Kompany, now you’re at it again. You used to whine about Dyche now you’re acting like he’s the best thing since sliced bread.

3 games into a season it took for you to whine, what kind of patience is that for a young manager and new team? You will never be satisfied as a Burnley fan.

Let’s just be honest, if he was a manager at any other club we would all be saying he should be sacked.

There’s being positive and then there’s being delusional.

It’s important we stay in this league and that VKs performances should be critiqued.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:51 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:08 pm
Steve, think about the parallels here

1. Leeds NFL Investor
2. Have a play style that gets them promoted to the PL.
3. The manager signs flair players who leak goals.
4. Manager refusing to change tactics, team heading for relegation.
5. Brings in a Manager who changes tactics, organises the team and saves them from relegation.

Alan Pace has learnt from the Dyche experience and will pot VK if we lose at Bournemouth

Thanks for that, Nigel

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:52 pm

Anybody doubting VK after the fixtures and injuries we’ve had needs to open their eyes.
I would really love to know how much input he had into our last window as it is a totally unbalanced squad with, IMHO, far too many of them bought for their re-sale value and not enough bought for the priority of staying up.
Possibly the board is happy with us as a yoyo club but I would doubt it as that is a very risky strategy with far too many possibilities of imploding on them.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:32 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:50 pm
Let’s just be honest, if he was a manager at any other club we would all be saying he should be sacked.

There’s being positive and then there’s being delusional.

It’s important we stay in this league and that VKs performances should be critiqued.

He should be sacked after 9 games since promotion? You’re talking out of your arse, nobody is saying Rob Edwards or Paul Heckinbottom should be sacked.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:45 pm

brexit wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:08 pm

4. Manager refusing to change tactics, team heading for relegation.

You haven’t been watching us play if you think we’re deploying the same tactics as last season.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:01 pm

I honestly believe there are some on here who can hardly wait.

turfytopper · Post by **turfytopper** » Sun Oct 22, 2023 11:56 pm

How many games would you give the manager?
He might need a few days to get match fit....but reckon he's currently the best centre back on our books right now.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:08 am

Only just read this thread so picking up on a few points;

Putting all sentiment for Kompany aside, and I think the guy is a class act, I don’t want to support a team that sacks managers as soon as the going gets tough. He has a lot to learn, clearly, but I suspect he’s ultimately destined for greater things and he deserves the chance to put this right.

Also, he’s assembled this squad almost entirely, and to be honest I struggle to see how a manager with different ideas would be able to get a better tune out of them.

More performances like Saturday’s will sadly see him come under pressure though as we need to see progress, not regression.

As for the board, their decision will be financially motivated so it will depend on how catastrophic relegation will be to their plan. If it is, then there is always a chance they will hit the panic button.

And what we need to be realistic about is that we had saleable assets that we could profit from when we were last relegated - as things are going we are unlikely to get big money from any of our players.

Another point, someone mentioned all recruitment being carried out with the help of Vincent’s company (see what I did there). Is anyone a little uneasy about this? Could this be a conflict of interest?

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 12:54 am

This shouldn’t be a question at the moment.

I do keep thinking it will get better and I’m still sure it will.

Regardless unless we lose like 12 in a row conceding 3 and 4 every game he shouldn’t be potted.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:24 am

board won't sack Vincent if we go down he will be given a chance to get us back up just like Sean did .

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:09 am

It's a shame you can't buy a backbone on ebay, quite a few are required for this thread

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:48 am

A big point being missed here , if we go down continuing to lose and play as we are things will become so toxic I am sure he would to choose to leave himself, even if the club and most fans wanted him to remain next season.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:06 am

northeastclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:48 am
A big point being missed here , if we go down continuing to lose and play as we are things will become so toxic I am sure he would to choose to leave himself, even if the club and most fans wanted him to remain next season.

I wouldn't bank on that if he left off his own accord he'd lose the right to any settlement/severance pay. Managers under pressure can develop hide like rhino attitudes & often stay until the bitter end or leave under the popular mutual consent statement & the scenario you have described hell of a lot people would want him out if things became so bad as an accumulative dire situation.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:09 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:32 pm
He should be sacked after 9 games since promotion? You’re talking out of your arse, nobody is saying Rob Edwards or Paul Heckinbottom should be sacked.

Rob Edwards is doing a good job with the funds he’s been given.

Heckingbottom should be sacked not sure why that’s controversial

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:12 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:09 am
Rob Edwards is doing a good job with the funds he’s been given.

Heckingbottom should be sacked not sure why that’s controversial

He's that popular the last time I looked on their forum people were discussing whether they'd have wilder back.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 am

If we bin VK it will cost millions paying out all his back room staff ,I reckon the one to stay would be Mike Jackson.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:14 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:09 am
Rob Edwards is doing a good job with the funds he’s been given.

Heckingbottom should be sacked not sure why that’s controversial

Why should he? Did a great job last season to get them up. Saved them from big financial issues. Fa cup semi final. I hate this rhetoric that managers should be sacked after a few poor results (after delivering significant success). Sheff have the 2nd worst squad in the league, sold their 2 best players.