How many games would you give the manager?

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:27 pm

Before a change is needed.

Last season was great but this season looks like an absolute car crash so far.

What do you think?

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:29 pm

Deserves to be afforded what Dyche was in 14/15 and be able to bring us back up with the experience of what he got wrong this time. He’s more than earned that right after last season - the greatest I have ever witnessed as a Burnley fan with a double over Rovers and winning the title at Ewood.

We’re now seeing why Anderlecht’s board were happy to see him go and why he’s at Burnley. He’s young, naive, inexperienced and has a lot to learn before he’s ready for better than us. Let him learn with us.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:30 pm

Too early for that. If we get relegated so what. It’s not the end of the world.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:32 pm

bf2k wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:30 pm
Too early for that. If we get relegated so what. It’s not the end of the world.

Woah. Financially it could well be devastating.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:32 pm

I think we stick with him for now but he really does need to show that he’s learning from his mistakes - but unfortunately that doesn’t look to be the case.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:33 pm

I'd take not winning again all season if it meant we get to pi$$ the league with Vinny again next year.

bf2k · Post by **bf2k** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:35 pm

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:32 pm
Woah. Financially it could well be devastating.

I don’t think this board wouldn’t have had relegation in the mix. Packing the squad with youth will always have the high possibility of relegation. However, hopefully they’ll also have a high resale value.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:35 pm

It would be wrong to pull the trigger. He’ll learn a lot from this season and if we drop and he gets us back up then I’m convinced we’ll see a completely different approach that reaps the benefits.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:36 pm

As long as he needs to see the project out. The fact some are calling for his head it idiotic even by our fans standards

colner · Post by **colner** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:37 pm

VK has a lot of crdit in the bank at the moment,he gets all season and beyond regardless of relegation or staying up. If we part ways then we really are up sh*t creek as a new bloke comes in and rips the script up and we will go on rinse and repeat for years. VK has spent a lot of brass and I cant see Alan Pace wanting to start the whole project off again with a new manager

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:40 pm

From hero to zero in 9 games what a pathetic thread.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:42 pm

I'm not convinced he would stay if we went down, but the answer from me is you keep him all season and see if he turns it around. He has built a squad that another manager wouldn't build and would find difficult to work with imo.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:43 pm

If relegation is disastrous for us, the question might be pertinent.

If relegation is a set back in terms of the longer term project, dismissing Kompany shouldn’t be a consideration.

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:43 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:33 pm
I'd take not winning again all season if it meant we get to pi$$ the league with Vinny again next year.

what makes you think we would do that? Not a dig but a genuine question. I would imagine financially we would be in a real mess especially with over paying for so many players. I couldn't see Trafford as a championship keeper for a start and we would need to rebuild again.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:44 pm

According to Oddschecker VK still available at odds of 12/1 to be the next PL manager to leave his post.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:45 pm

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:43 pm
what makes you think we would do that? Not a dig but a genuine question. I would imagine financially we would be in a real mess especially with over paying for so many players. I couldn't see Trafford as a championship keeper for a start and we would need to rebuild again.

People writing Trafford off in the Championship now...give your head a wobble pal

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:47 pm

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:43 pm
what makes you think we would do that? Not a dig but a genuine question...

Day-drinking and blind optimism!

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:49 pm

I'd give him five games (until after Sheffield Utd on 2nd Dec) and if he's not within 3 points of safety I'd make the change.

I don't believe for a second it will come to that but if it does there's no point sticking with a failing manager because of what he did in the Championship.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:52 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:49 pm
I'd give him five games (until after Sheffield Utd on 2nd Dec) and if he's not within 3 points of safety I'd make the change.

I don't believe for a second it will come to that but if it does there's no point sticking with a failing manager because of what he did in the Championship.

We've been in this exact situation with Dyche and a few years after it we got in Europe. Not to say it'll happen again, but we have recent memory of why the word 'failing' might not be the best word to use here.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:57 pm

Before today I would have said Vinny has the season no problem.
But I don't think I've ever seen a side where the GK, DF, MF and attack are so poor.

Even bad sides can usually defend a bit or can keep the ball. Maybe look dangerous up front.

At the minute nothing is working.

Let's hope he can change things round though.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:58 pm

Wouldn’t sack him full stop, he’s learning, he mastered the championship and he would do it again.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:58 pm

We should ditch No Ney Never and adopt We Only Sing When We're Winning for our unofficial club anthem. Some of you have turned the most fair-weather fans around. Don't ever ******* criticise fans of other clubs for being glory supporters, because if you do, you'll embarrass yourselves.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:59 pm

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:43 pm
what makes you think we would do that? Not a dig but a genuine question. I would imagine financially we would be in a real mess especially with over paying for so many players. I couldn't see Trafford as a championship keeper for a start and we would need to rebuild again.

We’d **** that league, the standard was shite

matttheclaret · Post by **matttheclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:00 pm

Not read the thread but all 38 games. Plus next season and beyond. Young manager still learning his trade, happy for him to continue learning with us

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:01 pm

Shocking recruitment and team selection. Any other manager would be out!!! However I think vinnie will realise what the problem is and will win championship next year and 2024/25 will be better

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:01 pm

The rest of this season and the whole of next season, minimum.

beeholeclaret · Post by **beeholeclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:03 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:27 pm
Before a change is needed.

Last season was great but this season looks like an absolute car crash so far.

What do you think?

Do we have a thread like this each week then?

Who on earth do you think would replace VK and do a better job?

Not good with players out injured and trying to find a blend of the new talent. I don’t see a better alternative and in the meantime will get behind his efforts and those of the team.

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:05 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:52 pm
We've been in this exact situation with Dyche and a few years after it we got in Europe. Not to say it'll happen again, but we have recent memory of why the word 'failing' might not be the best word to use here.

Sure but by Dec 2nd we'll have played 14 games, at which point Dyche was level on points with 17th (and only 3 points from 13th).

If Vincent is in a similar situation too of course I'd keep him. But that's not guaranteed.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:07 pm

Personally I thought this international break would have been the perfect time to get rid and replace thim. With 3 winnable games and a very important 9 pts up for grabs I fear we have already probably thrown away any chance of us staying up this season.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:09 pm

northernpowerhouse wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:05 pm
Sure but by Dec 2nd we'll have played 14 games, at which point Dyche was level on points with 17th (and only 3 points from 13th).

If Vincent is in a similar situation too of course I'd keep him. But that's not guaranteed.

The only point that matters is that we stuck with a manager through his first PL season and it wasn't the end of the world. We've got a good thing going with Kompany, and it'd be foolish to give that up.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:10 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:29 pm
Deserves to be afforded what Dyche was in 14/15 and be able to bring us back up with the experience of what he got wrong this time. He’s more than earned that right after last season - the greatest I have ever witnessed as a Burnley fan with a double over Rovers and winning the title at Ewood.

We’re now seeing why Anderlecht’s board were happy to see him go and why he’s at Burnley. He’s young, naive, inexperienced and has a lot to learn before he’s ready for better than us. Let him learn with us.

spot on

GaryClaret · Post by **GaryClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:11 pm

I wouldn’t sack him but if the home losses and hammerings continue then it’s inevitable he’ll be under pressure. You can see in Mission to Burnley and the questions that were asked of him that he’ll be in trouble.

He seems delusional to me. The ‘tell’ was the fa cup quarter final last season. We played that game so open - what on earth did he think was going to happen? Why have 8000 fans travelled to see that? A total waste of time and money. It had the same theme in that we maybe do well for 20 mins but when the pattern of the game is established the tactical shape cannot withstand football at the highest level.

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:11 pm

All of em.....obviously no idea of our American owners thinking....do they sack a manager if they arnt getting results or do they stick with them ? I reckon VK is here for the long term.

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:16 pm

I hope they give him the whole season and next.

In any event, doesn’t he have some sort of stake in the club? Could be messy if we try and pot him.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:20 pm

I think Alan realised he gave Dyche about ten games too many, I don’t expect him to make that mistake again if the hammerings continue.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:20 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:27 pm
Before a change is needed...

What do you think?

I think that you might be a closet Watford or Chelsea supporter

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:21 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:16 pm
I hope they give him the whole season and next.

In any event, doesn’t he have some sort of stake in the club? Could be messy if we try and pot him.

Sounds weird, he’s an investor?

northernpowerhouse · Post by **northernpowerhouse** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:22 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:09 pm
The only point that matters is that we stuck with a manager through his first PL season and it wasn't the end of the world. We've got a good thing going with Kompany, and it'd be foolish to give that up.

I think it depends how you go down. Under Dyche we gave it a good go, fought hard and went down with 33 points. If Kompany does that fine, I'd stick with him.

But if we end up 5, 6, 7 points adrift at Christmas and go down with 20 points then obviously we wouldn't "have a good thing going with Kompany".

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:23 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:20 pm
I think that you might be a closet Watford or Chelsea supporter

He would have been long gone with the Pozzos in charge

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:23 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:21 pm
Sounds weird, he’s an investor?

I’m not sure, but pretty sure I read he owns or has a large stake in the analytics firm we use for our scouting.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:28 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:23 pm
I’m not sure, but pretty sure I read he owns or has a large stake in the analytics firm we use for our scouting.

We’ve still got a lot of good players just need a defence crowbarring into the rest.

Bit like Howe before Dyche , we need someone that can get something out of this defence although to be fair we are missing the first choice centre backs.

No strength in depth defence wise.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:31 pm

Now we have people saying VK is delusional. Is this really what some of you have become? If so, you should hang your heads in shame.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:31 pm

If we go down but sell a couple of the young lads for say 80 million, crazy market I know, with parachute payments we will have the same as if we stayed up. Won’t we?

GaryClaret · Post by **GaryClaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:34 pm

Clovius Boofus wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:31 pm
Now we have people saying VK is delusional. Is this really what some of you have become? If so, you should hang your heads in shame.

No I shouldn’t. He is delusional making the changes he has done from last season and playing this open tactically against premier league teams. We can do better than getting thrashed most games this season. Surely we could have done better than this.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:34 pm

bf2k wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:35 pm
I don’t think this board wouldn’t have had relegation in the mix. Packing the squad with youth will always have the high possibility of relegation. However, hopefully they’ll also have a high resale value.

To be honest, the way we are playing at the moment there's not going to be many of this squad with a high resale value

Whitgord · Post by **Whitgord** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:34 pm

Why would anyone buy our young players if they fail abjectly this season? 80 million, you’re having a laugh.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:36 pm

Potential is expensive.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:38 pm

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:31 pm
If we go down but sell a couple of the young lads for say 80 million, crazy market I know, with parachute payments we will have the same as if we stayed up. Won’t we?

I take it this is a joke

Blondeclaret · Post by **Blondeclaret** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:40 pm

colner wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 6:37 pm
VK has a lot of crdit in the bank at the moment,he gets all season and beyond regardless of relegation or staying up. If we part ways then we really are up sh*t creek as a new bloke comes in and rips the script up and we will go on rinse and repeat for years. VK has spent a lot of brass and I cant see Alan Pace wanting to start the whole project off again with a new manager

Not to mention the 39 members of his 1st team back room staff that he has built up since he came! All those people on the wage bill with nothing to show for it

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:42 pm

Blondeclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 21, 2023 7:40 pm
Not to mention the 39 members of his 1st team back room staff that he has built up since he came! All those people on the wage bill with nothing to show for it

I think the staff employed show the intention in a long-term project.