LUKE MCNALLY

k90bfc · Post by **k90bfc** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:40 pm

With the sorry state of our defence at the moment,can we recall him from his loan,he would be a better option,at the moment,He could not do,any worse!

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:47 pm

k90bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:40 pm
With the sorry state of our defence at the moment,can we recall him from his loan,he would be a better option,at the moment,He could not do,any worse!

Get him recalled I agree

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:50 pm

Doubt it, not until January anyway.

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:51 pm

100% agreed. Forgot about him tbh

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:54 pm

Spot on with injuries to Beyer and Ekdal we need him back
Kev Long was our goto cover and once he left and given Lukes good performances last season at Coventry,I was surprised we loaned him out again

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:57 pm

Probably down to what the terms of the loan is. If he can be recalled now it would be a good idea to get him back.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:58 pm

I don’t see him as any better than we have, he’s decent but I’m not convinced we’d be any better off

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:59 pm

He's not Premier League quality. VK might as well sign me instead, I'll be better value given appearance bonuses and so on

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:05 pm

The trouble is, we're comparing the likes of O'Shea in the Premier League with McNally and THB in the Championship. O'Shea was very good in the Championship and now we're seeing the Leicester defenders - who looked poor last season - now spraying it about like Beckenbauer with all that extra space and time they now have. The difference in class between the divisions is huge.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:06 pm

Maybe have the chance to recall him in Jan but even if we could recall him now we don’t have any space in the squad at the minute.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:12 pm

What’s happened to Egan-Riley ?

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm

The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:15 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:12 pm
What’s happened to Egan-Riley ?

He picked up an injury towards back end of last season and was out for a few month. Think he’s back playing for under 21s.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:18 pm

Don’t think it would matter if we can recall him anyway we have already named our squad of 25. He’s not young enough to classed as a youth player like AD, Trafford etc…

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:18 pm

Even if we could call him back and even if we wanted to - he couldn't be registered to play. It's past the deadline, there's no room in the squad and he isn't under twenty-one. Other than that...

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:21 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:58 pm
I don’t see him as any better than we have, he’s decent but I’m not convinced we’d be any better off

How do you know that? Have you often seen him play?

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:25 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm
The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

We certainly have problems right now with the defence as well as midfield.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:30 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm
The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

Both are a problem

Not sure how you can watch out back four and think they aren’t a problem

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:33 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm
The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

Aye
Roberts, Al Dakhill, O’Shea etc all having cracking seasons.
Solid as a rock the lot of em.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:35 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm
The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

What midfield!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:36 pm

The structure of the team, with us being anything but a compact unit, is issue number one.

If the manager can set us up properly, defence AND midfield will stand half a chance.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:49 pm

Can he get his head on a corner?

No-one else in the side appears capable of it.

daveisaclaret · Post by **daveisaclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:53 pm

Haven't seen too much of him but before going on loan he was behind Charlie Taylor in our CB pecking order. Enough said, surely

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:54 pm

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:21 pm
How do you know that? Have you often seen him play?

I don’t know that, it’s my opinion based on the games I’ve watched him and our current CBS

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:22 pm

I saw him at Leicester the other week v Stoke. Stoke were very poor that day so hard to judge him, but was surprised as he had just broken into the Stoke team that he was marshalling his defence and had taken responsibility. Think he benefitted from playing virtually every game for Cov post Christmas, and I think he will do the same for Stoke now he has won a regular place there, and be a better player as a result. He looked calm in his play. You would hope the appropriate coaches at BFC will watch him (is it not Charlie Adams doing the role of monitoring our loans). With midweek games for the Championship this week maybe VK & Bellamy will watch him. I think if our injuries in the CH area worsen we should look to recall him, but not otherwise

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:03 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:13 pm
The problem is not the defence - it’s the midfield.

Unfortunately it's both

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Oct 23, 2023 11:16 pm

If only we hadn't loaned out our 6th choice centre half we wouldn't be struggling this season

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:39 am

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:36 pm
The structure of the team, with us being anything but a compact unit, is issue number one.

If the manager can set us up properly, defence AND midfield will stand half a chance.

Far too expansive at present, we need to tighten up across the back four and close the gap between midfield and defence. I am a Kompany fan and wouldn't sack him even if we go down...but...another manager a la Dyche, Pulis or Allardyce would tighten our defence with the players we have.

We need to realise that as Kompany said "there's gonna be a lot of pain before we progress". But again Kompany should realise to reach his end goal he needs to ditch the free flowing nature of how he wants us to play...we have the speed in the side on the flanks to break away. We need to learn game management and how to press as a unit

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:23 am

He'd win far more headers than any of our current batch, he was superb in his cameo at Bournemouth bar 1 stray pass

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:50 am

I thought we sold him to Coventry not loaned him

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:52 am

Oops
Wrong club and player
Have we sold a player to Coventry?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:54 am

Thomas sold to Coventry?

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 8:58 am

Bobby Thomas, yes.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:04 am

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:53 pm
Haven't seen too much of him but before going on loan he was behind Charlie Taylor in our CB pecking order. Enough said, surely

That was probably Vinnys first big mistake when he came here.
Immediately stating Charlie Taylor was a CH and not a left back.

He hadn't even watched him live.

Now he's probably our player of the season at left back a league above after not looking a natural at CH.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:11 am

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:04 am
That was probably Vinnys first big mistake when he came here.
Immediately stating Charlie Taylor was a CH and not a left back.

He hadn't even watched him live.

Now he's probably our player of the season at left back a league above after not looking a natural at CH.

Taylor is playing cos there’s literally no one else. If Ekdal and Beyer weren’t injured then I’d bet Delcroix would be at left back (like v Villa). As for being our player of the season, lol, he was complete trash on Saturday. The main mistake is not signing a left back for this system.

taio · Post by **taio** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:15 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:11 am
Taylor is playing cos there’s literally no one else. If Ekdal and Beyer weren’t injured then I’d bet Delcroix would be at left back (like v Villa). As for being our player of the season, lol, he was complete trash on Saturday. The main mistake is not signing a left back for this system.

We did need a suitable left back in the summer.

Foster is probably our best player so far this season.

Taylor may have been complete trash on Saturday, as you put it, but so were many others and doesn't detract from Taylor being one of our better players so far.

Casper2 · Post by **Casper2** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:16 am

Fretters wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:05 pm
The trouble is, we're comparing the likes of O'Shea in the Premier League with McNally and THB in the Championship. O'Shea was very good in the Championship and now we're seeing the Leicester defenders - who looked poor last season - now spraying it about like Beckenbauer with all that extra space and time they now have. The difference in class between the divisions is huge.

Not sure where you get O’Shea being very good in the championship, he was average at best .

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:24 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:11 am
Taylor is playing cos there’s literally no one else. If Ekdal and Beyer weren’t injured then I’d bet Delcroix would be at left back (like v Villa). As for being our player of the season, lol, he was complete trash on Saturday. The main mistake is not signing a left back for this system.

I know you look at football differently to most on here, but when Tony posted player ratings for the season he was 2nd behind Foster.

Not the biggest compliment as the whole squad hasn't been great, but he's certainly brought a bit more defensive stability to the team.

I'm all for signing better players for any position. Not sure Delcroix looks anywhere near a first teamer from what we have seen though.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:41 am

Charlie Taylor is playing because there's literally no-one else.

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:42 am

I've seen McNally in the Championship last season and this.

He's a steady player and a bit ponderous. What he does is OK, defending reasonably well on the right side of a middle three. He's quite tidy on the ground and reads the game quite well. However he seems not quick enough in thought or deed for The Premier League and O'Shea looks a better option (I didn't think O'Shea was dreadful against Brentford, certainly not on Al Dakhil levels).

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:47 am

Textbook case of a player suddenly becoming a world-beater by not being in the team

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:50 am

ŽižkovClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 10:47 am
Textbook case of a player suddenly becoming a world-beater by not being in the team

We are going to make some huge money on the players who are not involved.

Fretters · Post by **Fretters** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:51 am

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 9:16 am
Not sure where you get O’Shea being very good in the championship, he was average at best .

'Dara O'Shea 7

Was in with a shout of the club's player of the year award before he got injured in the March international break and could only watch on in the remaining weeks as his teammates failed to get over the line. O'Shea, like Townsend, relished the armband in Jake Livermore's absence and produced some fearless showings, while also demonstrating his ability to pick passes from deep.'

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/ ... r-26891958

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:16 pm

Brian Clough had a saying that is still unchallenged today-dont concede and we can't lose. Not kept a clean sheet now in 9 league games. I am a little bit disappointed that since the new coaching team joined we have not been able to change a players playing position and find a CDM from within.

Can remember Cotterill buying Graham Alexander a seasoned RB but almost instantly played him in front of the back four. He became very good at it, and Owen Coyle kept him playing there when he replaced Cotts.

Having been to Brentford and rewatched it today, we are absolutely crying out for a "Graham Alexander" to be playing a similar role. I saw today Egan Riley has made his comeback in the U-21's.Would like to see him being adopted into the squad as I believe this is a position he has the ability to play in. This would provide much needed support to Cullen too

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Cotts bought Alexander with the intention of playing in midfield but was forced to initially play him as full back because of injuries. You could see he was no longer capable of that role but what a midfielder he proved to be. Inspired choice by Cotterill.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:51 am

If I remember rightly Egan Riley can play RB too?

Sleeping Cat · Post by **Sleeping Cat** » Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:24 am

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:16 pm
Brian Clough had a saying that is still unchallenged today-dont concede and we can't lose. Not kept a clean sheet now in 9 league games. I am a little bit disappointed that since the new coaching team joined we have not been able to change a players playing position and find a CDM from within.

Can remember Cotterill buying Graham Alexander a seasoned RB but almost instantly played him in front of the back four. He became very good at it, and Owen Coyle kept him playing there when he replaced Cotts.

Having been to Brentford and rewatched it today, we are absolutely crying out for a "Graham Alexander" to be playing a similar role. I saw today Egan Riley has made his comeback in the U-21's.Would like to see him being adopted into the squad as I believe this is a position he has the ability to play in. This would provide much needed support to Cullen too

Cork? Don't really need to change his playing position, just ask him to focus more on defensive duties.

Agree that, given the injuries and suspensions, we would be silly not to consider McNally if it is possible to recall.

JarrowClaret · Post by **JarrowClaret** » Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:49 am

ClaretAL wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:51 am
If I remember rightly Egan Riley can play RB too?

I have been thinking this as well I wonder what position he played for the U21s the other day? Looking at the team sheet it looked as if Massengo played RB although surely he was in the midfield, but I have no idea about the reality.

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:21 pm

You get to watch Luke the Legend against Leeds tonight.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:43 pm

Clean sheet