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[Newcastleclaret93]

Premier league calls for point deduction that could relegate Everton.

Talksport

https://talksport.com/football/1615519/ ... elegation/

[Woodleyclaret]

The only thing Talk Shite get right is the date
Everton will get off scot-free

[claret2018]

Won’t affect us even if it did happen

[claretandy]

Reported by John Percy in the telegraph as well, doesn't mean it's going to happen though.

[bumba]

They'd probably still finish above the current bottom 3

[RVclaret]

They'd probably still finish above the current bottom 3

What is this based on? So far they are just 3 points above us, for example, despite their fixtures being statistically the 2nd easiest in the league and ours being the 2nd hardest.

You have been all over this forum slamming our players and manager over the past weeks so I’m intrigued to know your reasoning for them getting > 48 points (36 being the average required to stay in the league).

[Clive 1960]

If they lose points and a fine so should City.

[bfcjg]

Why has it taken so long...oh that's right the stadium will be finished.

[RicardoMontalban]

If they lose points and a fine so should City.

Presumably, if found guilty, they will. As far as I can see the process is still ongoing with them.

[Clive 1960]

Presumably, if found guilty, they will. As far as I can see the process is still ongoing with them.

I hope you are right, when rules are broken by any football club they should pay the price and hopefully be a example to other clubs.

[Clive 1960]

Also when will we find out about the decision.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Also when will we find out about the decision.

Supposed to be by the end of year

[Clive 1960]

Supposed to be by the end of year

that stinks all over , nearly another 2 months and they are meeting now i believe.

[RicardoMontalban]

I hope you are right, when rules are broken by any football club they should pay the price and hopefully be a example to other clubs.

Happens elsewhere, Juventus make an art form of it and they’ve had all sorts of sanctions thrown at them.

I think, given the scale of City’s alleged misdeeds, which I think far outstrip those of Everton in scale and persistence, the investigation will take significantly longer. I’ve read in some places that it may be up to four years.

Either way, it being quietly brushed under the carpet is unlikely. City will fight it and their rivals will smell blood.

[StuffyClaret]

Given that it is an 'independent' investigation and therefore the potential penalty is outside of the EPLs control, the fact that the EPL are 'demanding' a maximum of a 12 point deduction suggests that they fear that the penalty could be considerably worse. It also stinks of them trying to influence the outcome.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Man City must be looking at about 200 points deduction when it finally becomes their turn

[Jel]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... unishment/

This is going to hurt them. The EPL are apparently demanding a 12 point deduction.
Even if it doesn't happen, their takeover must be in serious doubt. They are all ready in debt to their prospective owners.
If they are found guilty, then the pending law suit will probably put 777 off too.

[bumba]

What is this based on? So far they are just 3 points above us, for example, despite their fixtures being statistically the 2nd easiest in the league and ours being the 2nd hardest.

You have been all over this forum slamming our players and manager over the past weeks so I’m intrigued to know your reasoning for them getting > 48 points (36 being the average required to stay in the league).

They won't need 48 points if the teams in the bottom 3 don't achieve 36 points. It's based on how poor the current bottom 3 are

[bfcjg]

It'll be 10 points for Everton ladies,one for the under 21's and one for the first team if 2 points clear of bottom 3 at end of season, if not 2 points clear or 1 with superior goal difference the youth team lose a point.
If Everton are in bottom 3 the deduction will go to the other teams around them for sniggering.

[Spijed]

Man City must be looking at about 200 points deduction when it finally becomes their turn

Hopefully spread over 3-4 years

[jojomk1]

Hopefully spread over 3-4 years

If it's Chelsea, spread over 7-8 years

[Vegas Claret]

on the assumption they will be found guilty can we expect the 3 clubs that suggested legal proceedings against them to go ahead with their case ?

[groove]

Any points deduction would probably start the following season, wouldn't it?

[CrosspoolClarets]

My take on the story in the Telegraoh was that the Premier League have adjudged Everton to have broken the rules, so in essence they are saying to the enquiry “we think Everton are in the wrong please tell us if you agree”.

That could be great news both for the points tally and the legal case but this is Everton, they have more lives than Doctor Who, so I’m not getting ahead of myself.



** I also suggest this thread title be renamed by a mod to something clearer or merged with the old one

[NewClaret]

Any points deduction would probably start the following season, wouldn't it?

Imagine Everton will appeal so possible?

[Commy]

Spurs were deducted 12 points and suspended from the FA Cup for financial irregularities but they managed to stay up.

[Rileybobs]

What is this based on? So far they are just 3 points above us, for example, despite their fixtures being statistically the 2nd easiest in the league and ours being the 2nd hardest.

You have been all over this forum slamming our players and manager over the past weeks so I’m intrigued to know your reasoning for them getting > 48 points (36 being the average required to stay in the league).

Everton are 3 points (and far better GD) above 17th position less than quarter of the way through the season. So it’s not too far fetched to suggest that they will maintain their superior trajectory for the remaining games and finish the season >12 points above the bottom 3.

[RVclaret]

Everton are 3 points (and far better GD) above 17th position less than quarter of the way through the season. So it’s not too far fetched to suggest that they will maintain their superior trajectory for the remaining games and finish the season >12 points above the bottom 3.

You are right but fail to consider the key point in my post which was the difficulty of teams faced in the small sample size we have available.

[Rileybobs]

You are right but fail to consider the key point in my post which was the difficulty of teams faced in the small sample size we have available.

I’m only failing to consider it because I find it fairly pointless. We’re pretty much quarter of the way through the season, and whilst some teams will have had more difficult fixtures than others I think the difference this would make to the league table is fairly negligible. Equally I would ignore someone making the point that Everton’s expected points this season which would have them in 10th position on 14 points.

[Rileybobs]

Just to follow up, we have had a difficult start, I appreciate that - but after this Saturday we will have played 4 of the bottom 6 (excluding us). I know we haven’t played them yet so I’m getting ahead of myself - but I’m not sure how much longer we will be able to make this excuse.

[RVclaret]

I’m only failing to consider it because I find it fairly pointless. We’re pretty much quarter of the way through the season, and whilst some teams will have had more difficult fixtures than others I think the difference this would make to the league table is fairly negligible. Equally I would ignore someone making the point that Everton’s expected points this season which would have them in 10th position on 14 points.

I don’t think it’s fairly negligible at all (when discussing this point), particularly when we are talking about just a 3 point gap. It has been shown statistically their first 9 games have been the second easiest, behind Chelsea, while ours have been the second most difficult. They’ve played 4 of of bottom 6 at home, we’ve played 0 games against the bottom 10 at home. If you don’t think that could skew points tallies slightly then that doesnt make sense to me.

Oh and this isn’t excusing us btw as your follow up post suggests, it’s more addressing how Everton are somehow gonna end up on 48 points but we won’t get 36.

[Rileybobs]

I don’t think it’s fairly negligible at all (when discussing this point), particularly when we are talking about just a 3 point gap. It has been shown statistically their first 9 games have been the second easiest, behind Chelsea, while ours have been the second most difficult. They’ve played 4 of of bottom 6 at home, we’ve played 0 games against the bottom 10 at home. If you don’t think that could skew points tallies slightly then that doesnt make sense to me.

Oh and this isn’t excusing us btw as your follow up post suggests, it’s more addressing how Everton are somehow gonna end up on 48 points but we won’t get 36.

Well I’m sure it will skew points tallies somewhat, but I’ve seen Everton a few times this season and they look quite a lot better than us. Whether or not they finish above us, and whether or not they get 12 points more than 18th position I don’t know - but I was just demonstrating that the point you were contending isn’t exactly far fetched when Everton are on course to finish more than 12 points above the drop zone.

[Rileybobs]

Too late to edit - I wasn’t accusing you of excusing us btw, just my terminology. And it’s looking extremely unlikely that the team who finishes 18th gets to 36 points. In fact I can’t remember the last time a team got relegated with 36, but it will almost certainly be less this season. Fulham got to 28 points in 2021 so I think this is more of a realistic comparison.

[Nonayforever]

Fake news put out by someone on behalf of the PL with a view to put pressure on 777 to withdraw their bid thereby elevating the need of the PL to make a decision on 777s ability to own a PL club.

[mdd2]

Jamie Carragher says it the happens to Everto Man C should be relegated to National League North

[NewClaret]

Fake news put out by someone on behalf of the PL with a view to put pressure on 777 to withdraw their bid thereby elevating the need of the PL to make a decision on 777s ability to own a PL club.

That wouldn’t surprise me.

But I think it’s more likely that the “independent” commission will decide that they’re not guilty of the single charge levelled at them for exceeding the limits by more than three times, thus absolving the PL so they can say “well we thought they did and were deserving of a very tough punishment, but hey ho, we were wrong so let’s all forget about it - it was only some small clubs that suffered as a result”.

[ElectroClaret]

Any points deduction would probably start the following season, wouldn't it?

Thats a fair point, anyone know if it would be this season
or next?

Like someone said, appeals would probably drag it out.

[NewClaret]

Thats a fair point, anyone know if it would be this season
or next?

Like someone said, appeals would probably drag it out.

I don’t know what’s going on here - tbh I can’t be bothered researching it too much because I just think the whole thing will find them not guilty and get swept under the carpet, whatever the PL’s “case” is so don’t want to waste my time - but I read a while back that the PL basically don’t think there’s much wrong with exceeding the £105m loss limit by 3x, rather the charge relates to some form of tax rule breach.

Then more recently the articles I’ve recently sound more like it is actually to do with the size of their losses, without mention of the tax issue. Whether the tax issue just happens to be the very easy case to prove and therefore they’ve focussed on that I don’t know, but the cynic in me reckons they’ve just turned a blind eye to the massive overspending and then Everton will get off on the tax charge via a loophole or something.

Anyway, final point is that I have no idea where this all leaves our legal action. The charge they are facing is in relation to the season we went down. If the deduction took effect this year and we stayed up by one point with them relegated, the net effect would be we hadn’t suffered losses but we could still clearly argue we had.

This whole thing is a complete cock up caused by the inaction of the premier league to enforce its rules promptly.

[Vegas Claret]

They'll get a 12 point deduction, appeal it, it'll be reduced to 6 and be irrelevant