Kompany: time to go

[Newcastleclaret93]

It IS the long-term future of the club. Relegation will not end us. We came back stronger and reset. We have a young squad which will grow.

You understand business? IThe business of football is a particular type of business with a very different process for profit and success. He's a key building block. Our squad have been brought in by using his name. No need to completely destabilise everything.

We are an exact replica of Southampton. Signed loads of expensive young players.

Got relegated and are ten points of automatic spots. There’s a good chance they don’t make it back up.

You’re basing your assumption on the absolute fact we get promoted next season. There are certainties in football.

The owners will want to maintain premier league status at all costs

[JimmyRobbo]

Do you always want things removing and closing down if you disagree with them?

Why?
What's it got to do with you. Keep to the title of the thread if it's so precious to you. Stupid as the thread clearly is.

[getbennyon]

It IS the long-term future of the club. Relegation will not end us. We came back stronger and reset. We have a young squad which will grow.

You understand business? IThe business of football is a particular type of business with a very different process for profit and success. He's a key building block. Our squad have been brought in by using his name. No need to completely destabilise everything.

The club is £200 million in debt, it is going to catch up with us and another relegation will accelerate the process.

[Newcastleclaret93]

There won’t be an apology letter because the right decision was made

Oh dear VK

Feeling the pressure

[fidelcastro]

"I'm a coach who's had to watch Nott'm Forest handball it, score & then us somehow handball it, score & our goal gets disallowed. I've had the first apology letter. Then the second time (against Bournemouth), what's it going to be?"

Embarrassing and an attempt at deflection.

Straight out of the Mourinho playbook.

[Spijed]

quite possibly mate. VK is still also only 10 games into managing at this level but his refusal to deal with the glaringly obvious is every bit a bad as Dyche refusing to pick Cork

After we played Bournemouth in the FA Cup last season I thought we'd concede a few but would be able to open up teams and create plenty of chances.
We are struggling to do that at the moment.

[KRBFC]

The players that were fit today would have got a clean sheet under Dyche.

This is all down to set up.

Stupid decisions from VK before the game even kicked off. We knew the only out ball was going long. So he starts Amdouni the weakest forward in the league (not sure he won one ball all game).

We need to get back to absolute basics. Drop all flair players and just try keep clean sheets. Then build from there.

He took Zeki out of midfield today and played the 3 from last season, we looked a far worse team when Rodriguez came on (a strong forward in the air)

[JimmyRobbo]

We are an exact replica of Southampton. Signed loads of expensive young players.

Got relegated and are ten points of automatic spots. There’s a good chance they don’t make it back up.

You’re basing your assumption on the absolute fact we get promoted next season. There are certainties in football.

The owners will want to maintain premier league status at all costs

No I'm not.

Their investment and business plan wasn't even needing promotion last season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No I'm not.

Their investment and business plan wasn't even needing promotion last season.

That is quite simply not true

[ksrclaret]

Why?
What's it got to do with you. Keep to the title of the thread if it's so precious to you. Stupid as the thread clearly is.

Bit of advice.

This board doesn’t orbit around you. The threads on here aren’t here to please you, and threads you don’t like won’t be removed or shut down because you don’t like them.

It’s not for this board to cater to what you would like to read. It’s for you to ignore.

[KRBFC]

We are an exact replica of Southampton. Signed loads of expensive young players.

Got relegated and are ten points of automatic spots. There’s a good chance they don’t make it back up.

You’re basing your assumption on the absolute fact we get promoted next season. There are certainties in football.

The owners will want to maintain premier league status at all costs

There’s no such thing as certain maintaining Pl status, even they want to do it all costs, sign VK a left back, Eric Dier and a midfielder.

[warksclaret]

The reason people are saying VK has to go is down to the quality and make up of our squad. Take today-we start with a team that includes Vitinho, JBG, Koleosho, and the back up striker is Jay. None of these would even get in the squads of Luton or Bournemouth. VK has totally under estimated the type of player needed to help us succeed in the PL and failed badly to fill key positions like full back, CDM, and outright striker. Foster was banned for two PL games, and sick today and we were absolutely hopeless without him, and had no natural who could play that role. Even Luton and Sheff Utd have a choice of serious strikers. Do I want him to go-NO, but just wondering the feeling in the Board Room now.

I fear its not just the players who have dropped their heads but he recently looks beaten up in interviews. Dyche's first promotion to the PL ended in relegation but we stuck with him and we came back stronger and finished 7th within the second season.You would hope we could come straight back and that the lessons and failures learned in this seasons recruitment would prevent this happening again. I am preparing myself for relegation on the basis that I have yet to see any sustained improvement in play, and having played over half the teams cant honestly see where the points will come

[JimmyRobbo]

The club is £200 million in debt, it is going to catch up with us and another relegation will accelerate the process.

Not necessarily next year.

Or the one after.

[Newcastleclaret93]

There’s no such thing as certain maintaining Pl status, even they want to do it all costs, sign VK a left back, Eric Dier and a midfielder.

Of course not but you have got to give yourself the best chance.

We are currently on to get 15 points this season and concede over 100 goals.

A change has to be made. It doesn’t have to be VK getting sacked but there has to be a fundamental change. Starting with keeping clean sheets, I think we can all agree the priority is stop conceding goals

[JimmyRobbo]

Bit of advice.

This board doesn’t orbit around you. The threads on here aren’t here to please you, and threads you don’t like won’t be removed or shut down because you don’t like them.

It’s not for this board to cater to what you would like to read. It’s for you to ignore.

And yet, here you are, off topic, orbiting around me. Argue your case for VK dismissal, like a prize throbber.

[KRBFC]

Can't sort the defence until Beyer & Ekdal are fit.
Don't care about the "Ekdal has no pace" nonsense, Ben Mee doesn't and was Brentford's player of the year last season in a more footballing side than under Dyche.
Ekdal's our best outright defending centre back, has been since he signed. Never had a game below 7/10, arguably 8/10. His passing is extremely effective through the lines, he's composed and confident on the ball, he's the biggest and strongest in the air. Beyer plays his best alongside him, Muric played his best behind him, it's not a coincidence, he might be slower but he's better at everything else than Al Dakhil or O'Shea.

Absolutely agree

Our best defence is

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Taylor

If VK got a left back he wanted, it would be:

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Maatsen

Todays defence was:

Vitinho Dara Al-Dakhil Taylor

Nowhere near good enough back four and VK knows it but can’t change it.

[Casper2]

Of course not but you have got to give yourself the best chance.

We are currently on to get 15 points this season and concede over 100 goals.

A change has to be made. It doesn’t have to be VK getting sacked but there has to be a fundamental change. Starting with keeping clean sheets, I think we can all agree the priority is stop conceding goals

That defense will not keep clean sheets

[ksrclaret]

And yet, here you are, off topic, orbiting around me. Argue your case for VK dismissal, like a prize throbber.

No need to resort to personal insults.

Just know that in future, you not liking a thread isn’t reason enough for its removal.

[alwaysaclaret]

A bit off topic but just imagine had maatsen said yes to the £30m bid, my point being, far more wrong here than not signing a left back.

[KRBFC]

Of course not but you have got to give yourself the best chance.

We are currently on to get 15 points this season and concede over 100 goals.

A change has to be made. It doesn’t have to be VK getting sacked but there has to be a fundamental change. Starting with keeping clean sheets, I think we can all agree the priority is stop conceding goals

Vitinho Dara Al-Dakhil Taylor is a weak as hell back four, it’s a mismatch because the club didn’t sign a left back and we’re struggling with injuries. I have zero confidence in that defence.

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Maatsen is a different story, VK also wanted Boey for right back and Dier at centre half.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Vitinho Dara Al-Dakhil Taylor is a weak as hell back four, it’s a mismatch because the club didn’t sign a left back and we’re struggling with injuries. I have zero confidence in that defence.

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Maatsen is a different story, VK also wanted Boey for right back and Dier at centre half.

I appreciate your point KRBFC, but the manager gets paid to deal with such scenarios.

Going into that game as open as we were was nothing short of criminal.

He’s got to adapt his tactics, if anything pull and old school Dyche, sit 11 players behind the ball and stop the onslaught.

That Bournemouth team were really really poor

[DCWat]

Vitinho Dara Al-Dakhil Taylor is a weak as hell back four, it’s a mismatch because the club didn’t sign a left back and we’re struggling with injuries. I have zero confidence in that defence.

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Maatsen is a different story, VK also wanted Boey for right back and Dier at centre half.

A couple of central midfielders short too!

[Tufty]

I think overall he's got the making of a good manager. I certainly like his character and the things he says. I would definitely stick with him. The same if we go down too. The problem is not VK, it’s the incredible gulf in standard between the Championship and the PL. Have a look at the bottom 3. It speaks volumes.

[Stayingup]

I would think that any team playing against us must be licking their lips. We are hopeless as it is.

[Dyched]

Pressure will be mounting now.

Pace has sacked before. Somewhat out the blue with a manager many thought was “unsackable” due to what he achieved.

That manager also built 2 successful promotion teams, so having him still in charge after relegation you’d still fancy our chances.

Maybe, just maybe Pace will be thinking about when he sacked Dyche, had he done it a month earlier, we may have survived.

[Holtyclaret]

The club is £200 million in debt, it is going to catch up with us and another relegation will accelerate the process.

We are well within our means and well within the early days of a five year plus project which VK is employed to lead.

Not sure where your £200m in debt comes from, doesn’t remotely resonate with our income or expenditure from last couple of years.

Doesn’t stop results like today smarting though.

[Stayingup]

Kompany helped us last season and NOW it’s our turn - the “fans” to help him - he asked us to make the Turf Hell ! It’s more like a kids crèche.

Let the bed wetters go and wet the bed and the true fans shout our team to safety.

The gaffer will turn this around for sure. We should not even question him - too many bell ends on here !

A thousand drummers?

[bumba]

I don't want VK sacked but Pace has to get him in the office tomorrow and ask the question what is plan B? What are we doing about these performances because we seem to be doing the same thing over and over resulting in defeat.
If VK doesn't have answers show him the door, ideally he'd have a plan and be implementing that plan but I can't see a single point coming in November

[bumba]

Vitinho Dara Al-Dakhil Taylor is a weak as hell back four, it’s a mismatch because the club didn’t sign a left back and we’re struggling with injuries. I have zero confidence in that defence.

Roberts Ekdal Beyer Maatsen is a different story, VK also wanted Boey for right back and Dier at centre half.

We'd have been even weaker defensively with Maatsen

[Vegas Claret]

After we played Bournemouth in the FA Cup last season I thought we'd concede a few but would be able to open up teams and create plenty of chances.
We are struggling to do that at the moment.

exactly, we decided to decimate the dressing room and are we are seeing the result of ditching the personality. A completely uncoordinated team that gets changed every single week. I understand 'the process' and fully support it regardless of what happens this season, but you would expect to see a degree of improvement and we are actually seeing the opposite.

Brun Larsen scores the winner at Luton with a moment of real quality but can't get in the side - how to kill a players motivation in one foul swoop. So many strange decisions

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We have conceded the second most goals in the league? How arnt we conceding a shed load of goals

Expected big losses against Spurs and City

The rest we aren’t getting pumped everytime

Brighton have conceded 18 goals but are much further up the table
If we’d restricted Spurs to just 3, Chelsea to two and say Brentford to less then we’d be on a similar goal difference but still where we are

Our biggest issue is having nothing about us to either maintain a lead or fight back to convert the losses to draws and draws to wins

[Billy Balfour]

I'm finding threads like this one to be more depressing than the actual results.

If the pathetic knee-jerkers do get their wish, and the club do decide to go down the trigger-happy-sacky route into oblivion, then we truly are on a dark and troubled path.

As for the usual empty vessels on here - embarrassing doesn't even come into it. Oh, and at least two of them were posting for VK to be sacked after last season's home game against Blackpool. That's about the level some of them are at.

10 games in and we have threads like this one. I thought we were better than this.

[Tufty]

I wouldn't put it past Pace to sack him, but it would be a huge mistake. What's the point in bringing in a manager to work with a squad of players that are not of his choosing. I don't believe it's anything to do with player morale that we're not getting the results. Just that the team needs to develop and discover its level to compete in the PL. It would be disastrous to sack him.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I wouldn't put it past Pace to sack him, but it would be a huge mistake. What's the point in bringing in a manager to work with a squad of players that are not of his choosing. I don't believe it's anything to do with player morale that we're not getting the results. Just that the team needs to develop and discover its level to compete in the PL. It would be disastrous to sack him.

I really understand your view Tufty, I respect the loyalty.

But I just don’t see how we develop and stay up under VK, the gap is too large. We look so unbelievably poor it’s actually scary.

VK needs to change tactically or he’s going to give the owners no choice

[KRBFC]

We'd have been even weaker defensively with Maatsen

Ok but we’d have certainly strung passes together in the second half today and he wouldn’t have coughed up possession like Taylor did today for their first. I don’t think we were defensively weak today, we just couldn’t string two passes together to relieve any pressure. You also ignored Roberts, Ekdal and Beyer were missing.

[Sgt. Pepper]

I'm free...

[Jakubclaret]

Pressure will be mounting now.

Pace has sacked before. Somewhat out the blue with a manager many thought was “unsackable” due to what he achieved.

That manager also built 2 successful promotion teams, so having him still in charge after relegation you’d still fancy our chances.

Maybe, just maybe Pace will be thinking about when he sacked Dyche, had he done it a month earlier, we may have survived.

On the basis of what he achieved at Everton last season a slightly different but interesting view can emerge that had he not acted at all we may still have survived, it's something we can never be 100% sure about either way because he wasn't there so I'll park that 1 there.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

All he has to do is realise his cup team is better than the one he puts out in the league. I suspect he is surrounded by yes men that can’t tell him the truth.

[bumba]

Ok but we’d have certainly strung passes together in the second half today and he wouldn’t have coughed up possession like Taylor did today for their first. I don’t think we were defensively weak today, we just couldn’t string two passes together to relieve any pressure. You also ignored Roberts, Ekdal and Beyer were missing.

The way VK is setting us up at the moment I don't think we'd improve with Roberto Carlos at left back.
If you spend 100 million spend it on areas that need improving, we've ignored those and blown it on cover that's not needed

[BabylonClaret]

The problem.witj getting an organiser in who 'might' turn it round is thatbwe don't have the right personnel for such a person


No we have nailed our colours to Vincent's mast and we need ot stick with him

[Cooclaret]

I don't want VK sacked but Pace has to get him in the office tomorrow and ask the question what is plan B? What are we doing about these performances because we seem to be doing the same thing over and over resulting in defeat.
If VK doesn't have answers show him the door, ideally he'd have a plan and be implementing that plan but I can't see a single point coming in November

I feel Kompany will say; give me money in January and I’ll sort it.

I don’t know if we missed out on the power midfielder(s) we so desperately need to break presses and protect the back three/four but I’m not sure I trust Kompany with more money if I’m the chairman…

[Hedontplayforyou]

Again Jessie marsch is available

Shudder

[Newchurch Claret]

Agree.

£120m! Not a single signing better than what we had.

Negligent.

[bumba]

I feel Kompany will say; give me money in January and I’ll sort it.

I don’t know if we missed out on the power midfielder(s) we so desperately need to break presses and protect the back three/four but I’m not sure I trust Kompany with more money if I’m the chairman…

If he hasn't changed anything by January I wouldn't give him a penny

[Newchurch Claret]

I don't think VK should go but why he's destroyed the team spirit from last season I'll never understand.

Exactly. Stubborn. Arrogant.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Shudder

Jesse Marche had a 1.16 points per game record at Leeds.

[Hedontplayforyou]

VK needs to be backed, but he also needs to tweak the way we play. Not be too proud to do it, and do it now!

He’s an intelligent bloke who I think has the capacity to go to the very top. At the moment mistakes are being made and they need to be eradicated fast. If Pace sacked hik it would be lunacy. There’s a big picture here and VK is very much part of it. His lure alone will bring the club profitable assets and already has done

[Hedontplayforyou]

Jesse Marche had a 1.16 points per game record at Leeds.

I know a few Leeds fans unfortunately and he’s the first person they all mocked me with earlier . Not a good sign

[Grahamjack]

There is clearly an agenda that is supporters are not aware of. Our strongest team is not because my selected week after week. VK is putting himself into an unsustainable position unless the owners are in agreement.

Young high quality footballers go down in value if they are not performing!!!

The goalkeeping situation is really now passed the point of discussion. Age experience etc were opinions at the beginning but now actual ability has been seen for everyone.

Other decisions around our midfield are equally challenging.

The time taken to select CT was mind numbing. Injuries clearly are affecting our defensive selections.

Jack Cork is experienced but some would say too old. However any clear minded individual can see his ability is needed.

Upfront, if Foster is injured we only have one choice.
Yes he too is old but he is a striker. Starting with the team we did basically gave the game to a very poor Bournemouth.

Last season was amazing but my question is was it VK or was it luck??? How many teams ever transform like we did?? Luck or a great manager???

It’s time the owners came clear with the strategy longer term than 1 year

[Newcastleclaret93]

I know a few Leeds fans unfortunately and he’s the first person they all mocked me with earlier . Not a good sign

He’s a good manager we could do considerably worse than having him in charge at Burnley.