Kompany: time to go

[Hedontplayforyou]

He’s a good manager we could do considerably worse than having him in charge at Burnley.

Stick with the man who won the league at ewood. It’s not looking pretty at the moment but last season was something special. Have we got short memories? The guys still learning as is his team. I was raging watching that today but I still back the lot of them. Get behind them. He will do something else fantastic in his tenure with us given time.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Stick with the man who won the league at ewood. It’s not looking pretty at the moment but last season was something special. Have we got short memories? The guys still learning as is his team. I was raging watching that today but I still back the lot of them. Get behind them. He will do something else fantastic in his tenure with us given time.

VKs not up to it. He’s not a good manager.

[Hedontplayforyou]

VKs not up to it. He’s not a good manager.

Your opinion - mine differs

[Newcastleclaret93]

Your opinion - mine differs

Fair enough I hope your right

[roperclaret]

Still doesn’t warrant the response.

Sorry for taking the ****

[kentonclaret]

Sadly, it seems too many we’re taken in by a lot of the pre season hype.
“We need to turn Turf Moor into a fortress”
“Our first performance of the season will be our worst”
Unfortunately, both well wide of the mark.

[AmbleClaret]

Again Jessie marsch is available

So are Worncock and Alladyche.

[CoolClaret]

I wouldn’t sack him,

For those that are on the fence - when would you sack him?

[Newcastleclaret93]

I wouldn’t sack him,

For those that are on the fence - when would you sack him?

After the next three games.

Third of the way through the season

[BurnleyFC]

VKs not up to it. He’s not a good manager.

Give over. Of course he’s a good manager. You don’t do what he did last season if you’re not a good manager.

He’s struggling currently and may not end up being an elite manager (but guess what - we’re not an elite club, either) but he’s still a good manager who’d be in high demand.

[CoolClaret]

After the next three games.

Third of the way through the season

On what particular meric over the next three games? What would he/we have to do, to avoid that

[Newcastleclaret93]

On what particular meric over the next three games? What would he/we have to do, to avoid that

Probably needs at least 4 points to keep his job

[Newcastleclaret93]

Give over. Of course he’s a good manager. You don’t do what he did last season if you’re not a good manager.

He’s struggling currently and may not end up being an elite manager (but guess what - we’re not an elite club, either) but he’s still a good manager who’d be in high demand.

No doubt he’s good enough for championship.

I wouldn’t class a manager that can’t hack the prem as a good manager overall though

[Billyblah]

Happy for VK to continue, he's intelligent but he has to look at the modern history of Burnley in the top league.
Only one manager has enjoyed a level of consistency in the top league since the mid 70's. Potts and Adamson struggled. Coyle was a flash in the pan, Dycheball recognised comparatively low budgets and built a team that profiled that.
Focussing on goal keeper and defenders (relatively cheap) to provide clean sheets and sufficient attacking power at the other end to provide dour 1-0 wins.
VK's pretty football can't compete in the PL on the budgets we are required to work to.

[Grahamjack]

There is clearly an agenda that is supporters are not aware of. Our strongest team is not because my selected week after week. VK is putting himself into an unsustainable position unless the owners are in agreement.

Young high quality footballers go down in value if they are not performing!!!

The goalkeeping situation is really now passed the point of discussion. Age experience etc were opinions at the beginning but now actual ability has been seen for everyone.

Other decisions around our midfield are equally challenging.

The time taken to select CT was mind numbing. Injuries clearly are affecting our defensive selections.

Jack Cork is experienced but some would say too old. However any clear minded individual can see his ability is needed.

Upfront, if Foster is injured we only have one choice.
Yes he too is old but he is a striker. Starting with the team we did basically gave the game to a very poor Bournemouth.

Last season was amazing but my question is was it VK or was it luck??? How many teams ever transform like we did?? Luck or a great manager???

The evidence is before us and he is not reacting !!! How long does he have replicating the same mistakes over and over again

[ClaretAL]

No doubt he’s good enough for championship.

I wouldn’t class a manager that can’t hack the prem as a good manager though

And in what capacity are you in a position to say who is and is not a good manager? If it’s because you watch football as entertainment like rest of us rather than as a profession, lets leave it to the professionals to decide

[Newcastleclaret93]

And in what capacity are you in a position to say who is and is not a good manager? If it’s because you watch football as entertainment like rest of us rather than as a profession, lest leave it to the professionals to decide

The general stick for who is a good manager is success at the highest level. How is that even up for debate?

[CoolClaret]

And in what capacity are you in a position to say who is and is not a good manager? If it’s because you watch football as entertainment like rest of us rather than as a profession, lets leave it to the professionals to decide

Who are the professionals to be deciding?

Alan Pace didn't even know of VKs playing career for goodness sake.

[BurnleyFC]

The general stick for who is a good manager is success at the highest level. How is that even up for debate?

No. Success at the highest level is normally reserved for elite managers.

VK is still relatively young and inexperienced.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No. Success at the highest level is normally reserved for elite managers.

VK is still relatively young and inexperienced.

Dyche has been a successful manager in the premier league. I wouldn’t say he is elite?

[ClaretAL]

Who are the professionals to be deciding?

Alan Pace didn't even know of VKs playing career for goodness sake.

So you have to know who was a good player to know they will be a good manager like Lampard and Gerrard were, nothing to do with KPI’s and vision ir anything like that? Just how many medals you have won in your playing career like Ferguson, Guadiola and Marinio for example ?

[BurnleyFC]

Dyche has been a successful manager in the premier league. I wouldn’t say he is elite?

The definition of success is winning something, is it not?

And of course Dyche is an excellent manager. But he also got us relegated at the first time of asking.

[Terrier]

Newcastle, do you actually ever go on the turf or to away games because you have an awfully lot of negative sh#£e to spout!

[nyclaret]

VKs not up to it. He’s not a good manager.

Just give it a rest

[bumba]

And in what capacity are you in a position to say who is and is not a good manager? If it’s because you watch football as entertainment like rest of us rather than as a profession, lets leave it to the professionals to decide

The results tell us who is a good manager, what a strange comment.
I've worked in the industry and have qualifications does that mean I'm able to decide?

[warksclaret]

A number of the players need to step up. I would love to see a video of the defensive cock ups so far this season and the sitters we have missed. I think that would highlight why we have 4 points from 11 games

[CoolClaret]

So you have to know who was a good player to know they will be a good manager like Lampard and Gerrard were, nothing to do with KPI’s and vision ir anything like that? Just how many medals you have won in your playing career like Ferguson, Guadiola and Marinio for example ?

Did I claim that anywhere?

[ClaretAL]

The results tell us who is a good manager, what a strange comment.
I've worked in the industry and have qualifications does that mean I'm able to decide?

Absolutely, however kompany strolled the championship in one season which included a full rebuild top to bottom and this was playing against teams with top managers that are renowned. Or does this not count as they were not premier league managers? Good job Eddie Howe didn’t believe that, but I’m sure you know better with your qualifications.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Newcastle, do you actually ever go on the turf or to away games because you have an awfully lot of negative sh#£e to spout!

4 home games and 1 away this season

[Wile E Coyote]

got us promoted with a massive points tally at first time of asking.
club was in disarray prior to his arrival.
relatively small number of games played this season , and there's talk of wanting the man sacked. UTTER MADNESS.

[brexit]

There is clearly an agenda that is supporters are not aware of. Our strongest team is not because my selected week after week. VK is putting himself into an unsustainable position unless the owners are in agreement.

Young high quality footballers go down in value if they are not performing!!!

The goalkeeping situation is really now passed the point of discussion. Age experience etc were opinions at the beginning but now actual ability has been seen for everyone.

Other decisions around our midfield are equally challenging.

The time taken to select CT was mind numbing. Injuries clearly are affecting our defensive selections.

Jack Cork is experienced but some would say too old. However any clear minded individual can see his ability is needed.

Upfront, if Foster is injured we only have one choice.
Yes he too is old but he is a striker. Starting with the team we did basically gave the game to a very poor Bournemouth.

Last season was amazing but my question is was it VK or was it luck??? How many teams ever transform like we did?? Luck or a great manager???

The evidence is before us and he is not reacting !!! How long does he have replicating the same mistakes over and over again

The Agenda from the club's point of view is obvious. We are a financial concern seeking to sell our players for more than we bought them. The only question in Alan Pace's head tonight is, will the squad increase in value with VK in charge? if the answer is no he will be sacked and Jesse Marsch brought in.

[NewClaret]

got us promoted with a massive points tally at first time of asking.
club was in disarray prior to his arrival.
relatively small number of games played this season , and there's talk of wanting the man sacked. UTTER MADNESS.

It would be the definition of lunacy to give him £100m
to build a squad and sack him 10 games in. The craziest of crazy talk I’ve ever read on here.

That’s not to say I’m happy with all his decisions. He’s not perfect. Like our team, he’s learning and developing himself.

But besides anything else, he came to us after relegation when we were facing in to some massive problems, took a chance on us and gave us an unbelievable season. He’s owed and deserves this whole season.

[roperclaret]

The general stick for who is a good manager is success at the highest level. How is that even up for debate?

Really? God sometimes you’re a right plank. Warnock was a great manager, what success did he have at the highest level? IMO Nigel Clough has been a ‘good’ manager even though he’s never been near the ‘highest level’. Conversely Eddie Howe was bang average until last year.

[warksclaret]

got us promoted with a massive points tally at first time of asking.
club was in disarray prior to his arrival.
relatively small number of games played this season , and there's talk of wanting the man sacked. UTTER MADNESS.

Agree with your first two points and I want VK to stay. However we have now played 11 of the 19 clubs and I am struggling to see who we can take points from, or not seen any sustained improvement in performance to make me think "its coming"

[Newcastleclaret93]

Really? God sometimes you’re a right plank. Warnock was a great manager, what success did he have at the highest level? IMO Nigel Clough has been a ‘good’ manager even though he’s never been near the ‘highest level’. Conversely Eddie Howe was bang average until last year.

Haha you would class warnock as a good manager?

Eddie Howe had numerous successful years in the premier league before last year.

Nigel clough seriously?

Good managers manage in the top leagues. It’s a fact.

[gandhisflipflop]

You lot are embarrassing

[Grahamjack]

Jesse March?? Purely on the basis he is American??

The team / squad needs an experienced organiser both on and off the pitch. It is clear we are lacking both.

I guess as supporters we have to back the team.

I have so far witnessed 7 matches live plus the cup game at Forest. We struggled to compete in 8 of them.

Last years team should have been given a chance. I have never heard of a manager ditching a successful team in the manor witnessed this year.

Bizarre to say the least .

[brexit]

It would be the definition of lunacy to give him £100m
to build a squad and sack him 10 games in. The craziest of crazy talk I’ve ever read on here.

That’s not to say I’m happy with all his decisions. He’s not perfect. Like our team, he’s learning and developing himself.

But besides anything else, he came to us after relegation when we were facing in to some massive problems, took a chance on us and gave us an unbelievable season. He’s owed and deserves this whole season.

You are assuming that all the money was used on VK's targets. An alternative view maybe that a backroom team used an algorithm to find players that would appreciate in value. This may explain the lack of recruitment in key positions and the over recruitment of young flair players.

[matttheclaret]

I'd be very reluctant/disappointed to see the manager go.

However, I don't think I'd be that surprised. Pace speaks very highly of Kompany, but he did the same with Dyche, talked him up, new contract and then got rid.

If the board decides that a managerial change is the most likely way to prevent relegation (I think we're probably going down regardless) I don't think they'll be shy about making a change. Not what I want but I'm half expecting it

[NewClaret]

Agree with your first two points and I want VK to stay. However we have now played 11 of the 19 clubs and I am struggling to see who we can take points from, or not seen any sustained improvement in performance to make me think "its coming"

Having initially been very confident we’d stay up, I’m not at all confident now. I think we’re going down. Even a great January window will come too late, I think.

But I still think and hope Kompany is given the full season and next. Per my post above

I actually don’t want us to break the bank in Jan - to put us under pressure financially- and I can’t see the players that we need wanting to come.

I just hope the players we have signed stay loyal to Kompany and help get us back up again. Then Kompany builds a team more balanced team around experience, strength and technical ability.

[brexit]

Jesse March?? Purely on the basis he is American??

The team / squad needs an experienced organiser both on and off the pitch. It is clear we are lacking both.

I guess as supporters we have to back the team.

I have so far witnessed 7 matches live plus the cup game at Forest. We struggled to compete in 8 of them.

Last years team should have been given a chance. I have never heard of a manager ditching a successful team in the manor witnessed this year.

Bizarre to say the least .

No, based on he took a team with similar issues to ourselves and kept hem up

[warksclaret]

Jesse March?? Purely on the basis he is American??

The team / squad needs an experienced organiser both on and off the pitch. It is clear we are lacking both.

I guess as supporters we have to back the team.

I have so far witnessed 7 matches live plus the cup game at Forest. We struggled to compete in 8 of them.

Last years team should have been given a chance. I have never heard of a manager ditching a successful team in the manor witnessed this year.

Bizarre to say the least .

But a lot of last years team are either injured (today Beyer, Ekdal, Foster), or we did not sign (THB, Tella, Maatsen), or are a year older, slow and less effective in an infinitely tougher league ie Rodriguez, Cork, Barnes (now at Norwich and not getting in to their team), or suspended (Roberts today) and Cullen next game. That does not actually leave many of last seasons team

[evensteadiereddie]

Having initially been very confident we’d stay up, I’m not at all confident now. I think we’re going down. Even a great January window will come too late, I think.

But I still think and hope Kompany is given the full season and next. Per my post above

I actually don’t want us to break the bank in Jan - to put us under pressure financially- and I can’t see the players that we need wanting to come.

I just hope the players we have signed stay loyal to Kompany and help get us back up again. Then Kompany builds a team more balanced team around experience, strength and technical ability.

An excellent post, NC.

[Grahamjack]

Fair points however I would certainly appreciate the opportunity to see Cork in our midfield. At least gives us a solid base.

Basically our transfer window was completely unbalanced! We all know midfield needed strengthening to Premier league standard and simply wasn’t.

Time will tell but stubbornness in terms of certain positions is definitely not helping. Trafford has to be rested and Muric given a chance. We must all by now agree on this!!!

[NewClaret]

You are assuming that all the money was used on VK's targets. An alternative view maybe that a backroom team used an algorithm to find players that would appreciate in value. This may explain the lack of recruitment in key positions and the over recruitment of young flair players.

I’d be amazed if Kompany didn’t sanction all signings. And rightly so. I’m not one who believes in the DoF model.

If such an algorithm did exist - which it might - that it’d have been developed by MUD analytics, Kompany’s company. So he’d be as bought in as anyone.

I can see why ALK would be drawn in to the allure of that, but I think they’ll all (Kompany included) be reflecting on this and realising that it needed supplementing with experienced players. Leaders.

I just hope if we come back up again our leadership will recruit differently.

[bumba]

Absolutely, however kompany strolled the championship in one season which included a full rebuild top to bottom and this was playing against teams with top managers that are renowned. Or does this not count as they were not premier league managers? Good job Eddie Howe didn’t believe that, but I’m sure you know better with your qualifications.

He strolled the championship and could have been a lot more comfortable this season if he hadn't ripped the heart and soul out of last season's squad. That doesn't mean he's any less of a coach he'll still be coaching them to a high standard but his management skills have to be questioned after what he's done in the summer and this season so far.
He's time to redeem himself by adapting and changing but if he doesnt he'll never make it to the top.

[Inchy]

No sentiments in football.


Not sure what that means

[Cooclaret]

Sorry for taking the ****

Appreciated and happily accepted. We move on.

[Stayingup]

Happy for VK to continue, he's intelligent but he has to look at the modern history of Burnley in the top league.
Only one manager has enjoyed a level of consistency in the top league since the mid 70's. Potts and Adamson struggled. Coyle was a flash in the pan, Dycheball recognised comparatively low budgets and built a team that profiled that.
Focussing on goal keeper and defenders (relatively cheap) to provide clean sheets and sufficient attacking power at the other end to provide dour 1-0 wins.
VK's pretty football can't compete in the PL on the budgets we are required to work to.

What was the score against Brentford at home in Dyches last season?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Derby after ten games in that season:

6 points. Minus 17 goal difference.

Yikes