Kompany: time to go

[Murger]

He’s certainly feeling the pressure though. His booking towards the end of the game shows.

[fidelcastro]

It’s ridiculous to suggest he should go.

The players obviously can’t carry out his instructions at the moment.

A bit of fight and entertainment would be nice
though.

You've just highlighted two reasons why he should go!

[helmclaret]

So you can’t be unhappy with the current situation but want to give him a chance long term?

[fidelcastro]

So you can’t be unhappy with the current situation but want to give him a chance long term?

How much worse does it have to get before it gets better?

We're being battered by average/poor teams by this levels' standards.

[Milltown1882]

We’re going down, we’ll come back up. Got promoted too early for the plan everyone with a brain can see that.

[agreenwood]

I like VK and hope he turns this around. I’d probably stick with him through a relegation.

As things stand, our summer recruitment appears to have left us well short, to the extent that it currently looking unfixable. I genuinely don’t see how a new manager makes up for that. We’d still be left with a very young squad, who don’t yet look ready. The older heads we still have are also well short of PL standard.

Also, I’m not sure who’d want to take over. It’s similar to folk hanging their hats on the January transfer window. Our position and performances will significantly limit the type of players we can attract. You’re effectively signing up for a likely stint in the second tier next season.

[Boss Hogg]

Are investors ( existing and new) going to be attracted to the product on show ?

[CoolClaret]

We’re going down, we’ll come back up. Got promoted too early for the plan everyone with a brain can see that.

There's no such thing

101 point Championship winners don't get promoted too early

[fidelcastro]

Are investors ( existing and new) going to be attracted to the product on show ?

What product?

[helmclaret]

I like VK and hope he turns this around. I’d probably stick with him through a relegation.

As things stand, our summer recruitment appears to have left us well short, to the extent that it currently looking unfixable. I genuinely don’t see how a new manager makes up for that. We’d still be left with a very young squad, who don’t yet look ready. The older heads we still have are also well short of PL standard.

Also, I’m not sure who’d want to take over. It’s similar to folk hanging their hats on the January transfer window. Our position and performances will significantly limit the type of players we can attract. You’re effectively signing up for a likely stint in the second tier next season.

I agree with all of this. I think we need to stick with VK for the long term.

[Carwin261]

When you look at most struggling teams you probably think they may need a centre half,or a centre forward,or a winger,.we need a fresh team.

[Milltown1882]

There's no such thing

101 point Championship winners don't get promoted too early

You completely missed the ‘for the plan’ bit. Maatsen will probably go to City in the summer, Harwood-Bellis was a big loss and Tella is playing in Europe. That’s almost a third of our best team last season.

[bf2k]

When you look at most struggling teams you probably think they may need a centre half,or a centre forward,or a winger,.we need a fresh team.

No we don’t. A center back and a striker, possibly another central midfielder to rotate with Brownhill and Cullen.

[JohnDearyMe]

I would keep faith with Kompany given what he delivered last season but we are certainly getting to the stage where you wouldn't be too shocked if you were to find out he'd been sacked

[CoolClaret]

You completely missed the ‘for the plan’ bit. Maatsen will probably go to City in the summer, Harwood-Bellis was a big loss and Tella is playing in Europe. That’s almost a third of our best team last season.

They were all available.

Every team has a plan.

[dandeclaret]

No we don’t. A center back and a striker, possibly another central midfielder to rotate with Brownhill and Cullen.

Teams can improve by a strengthening of the spine. Keeper swap, Beyer back in…. But there’s no midfield option unfortunately. That’s the big miss.

[JR1882]

No we don’t. A center back and a striker, possibly another central midfielder to rotate with Brownhill and Cullen.

We needed this before spending 100m, and we still need it. We need an upgrade on CMs which Berge is not.

[Pickles]

No we don’t. A center back and a striker, possibly another central midfielder to rotate with Brownhill and Cullen.

I think we need a left back, a right back, two central midfielders, two strikers and at least one centre back.

[Goodclaret]

I'm sorry but anyone wanting Kompany gone is very, very silly. Just unbelievable even contemplating it.

[Belgianclaret]

It's Kompany's squad, brought in with the support of the entire board.

I agree it does need serious strength and steel added in January, but I am still hopeful it will be done

[KefkaClaret]

Not sure I trust Kompany with January after the summer.

[helmclaret]

Muric, Beyer and Ekdal would make a difference no doubt. But like Dande says there’s absolutely nothing in midfield.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm sorry but anyone wanting Kompany gone is very, very silly. Just unbelievable even contemplating it.

Genuine question how is it unbelievable to even contemplate it?

I’m sure even VK is probably thinking his time is running out.

[Belgianclaret]

Just imagine if we'd had a good season last year without going up so soon...

Everyone would have been more than happy...

How the worm turns

[bf2k]

I think we need a left back, a right back, two central midfielders, two strikers and at least one centre back.

No we don’t. Dande said it right above. We need another option in midfield that we don’t have. I also think we need another striking option and depending on how long Beyer and Ekdal are out for another centre back.

And how someone can say Berge isn’t an improvement on last seasons midfielders is crazy

[Spiral]

There's no way Vinny doesn't learn from this awful last three months. We reap the rewards by sticking with him, even upon what looks like inevitable relegation, and he becomes a better football manager because of the struggle.

[fidelcastro]

I'm sorry but anyone wanting Kompany gone is very, very silly. Just unbelievable even contemplating it.

Why?

[ksrclaret]

The thing that makes me lean towards getting rid soon is not that the performances and results are unbelievably shite, it’s because I simply can’t fathom how he’s spearheaded our summer recruitment by signing a load of toss for £100m and created an unbalanced squad. He’s then insisted on playing this toss at the expense of our players who fought tooth and nail to get us here.

What on earth has he been drinking since May?

[daveisaclaret]

There's no way Vinny doesn't learn from this awful last three months. We reap the rewards by sticking with him, even upon what looks like inevitable relegation, and he becomes a better football manager because of the struggle.

Evidence of learning from it so far is very thin on the ground.

I'm in the camp that says a new manager would struggle (and we'd struggle to find a good one) because of how the squad is built but if we see more of the same on Saturday it will be soul-destroying. Feeling like a long season right now.

[Spiral]

If we get trigger happy, the next bloke decides half the signings aren't in his plans, so we throw good money at bad, still get relegated, then enter a death spiral. It's fking stupid to contemplate sacking him, honestly.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We’re looking like we can’t even defend very simple set plays. All the goals were avoidable tonight.

[Spiral]

Evidence of learning from it so far is very thin on the ground.

I'm in the camp that says a new manager would struggle (and we'd struggle to find a good one) because of how the squad is built but if we see more of the same on Saturday it will be soul-destroying. Feeling like a long season right now.

Big mistakes made in hindsight (unbalanced signings), but in fairness we're without Beyer and Ekdal, and we fked the LB position in the end, so we're kinda stuck with what we have, and this is to an extent informing what we're seeing and what Vinny can do at the back, but we need to give him time to adjust to the level.

We were fairly mediocre up until about the same time last season, too, though admittedly the signs of what we were trying were clearer. Still, we adjusted as the season went on when Vinny had the ability to do so.

Easy to forget he's only managed 10 PL games in his life. Sure, an experienced manager might not be making these mistakes, but that's the risk/reward of going for someone obviously talented so young.

[Goodclaret]

Genuine question how is it unbelievable to even contemplate it?

I’m sure even VK is probably thinking his time is running out.

Because he delivered far earlier than anyone could have possibly expected last season playing unbelievably attractive, attacking and winning football. He is a young manager learning his way in a very tough league. He has a very young team trying to learn in a very tough league. He is a manager who has attracted players we could only have dreamed of to our club.

I'm not saying I'm happy with how this season is going, of course, but to only give a manager circa 15 games after delivering 101 points and a Championship title the previous season is absolutely ludicrous. Yes, VK has to learn, but I'm confident he will GIVEN TIME! Supporters, like you, are so short sighted. We may get relegated (far better teams/squads have done) but constantly demanding a change of manager never (or vary rarely) works for a football club. What do you seriously expect? If you want to bin VK now you need to give your head a wobble; it will do our club no favours at all.

[Belgianclaret]

BFS is available and Eric Ten Hag will soon be... wonder who you prefer to take over from Vinny?

[daveisaclaret]

Big mistakes made in hindsight (unbalanced signings), but in fairness we're without Beyer and Ekdal, and we fked the LB position in the end, so we're kinda stuck with what we have, and this is to an extent informing what we're seeing and what Vinny can do at the back, but we need to give him time to adjust to the level.

We were fairly mediocre up until about the same time last season, too, though admittedly the signs of what we were trying were clearer. Still, we adjusted as the season went on when Vinny had the ability to do so.

Easy to forget he's only managed 10 PL games in his life. Sure, an experienced manager might not be making these mistakes, but that's the risk/reward of going for someone obviously talented so young.

I agree we need to give him time to adjust. But he needs to at least look like he is adjusting.

It's interesting phrasing to say we were mediocre until the same time last season too (not picking, genuinely think it's interesting). After the same number of games, yep. But on 1st November last season we were top and the next day was the Rotherham game that took us 5 points clear of Rovers. No wonder people feel so different I guess.

[alboclaret]

We’re going down, we’ll come back up. Got promoted too early for the plan everyone with a brain can see that.

The plan went out the window in the summer, everyone knows that

[burnley007]

Still relying on Jay as a 2nd choice striker really shows how hapless our summer recruitment was.
He is waaaay past his best, to the point where I feel sorry for him.

[CoolClaret]

He needs to bin that set piece coach ASAP.

Never seen a Burnley team as feckless defending them.

[Jakubclaret]

Still relying on Jay as a 2nd choice striker really shows how hapless our summer recruitment was.
He is waaaay past his best, to the point where I feel sorry for him.

The money he’ll be on I wouldn’t.

[FCBurnley]

Dyche got fired for being relegated with little or no budget !!! So not sure Pace has any choice if he wants to be consistent

[Swizzlestick]

Dyche got fired for being relegated with little or no budget !!! So not sure Pace has any choice if he wants to be consistent

And because the senior players led by Mee kicked off. Allegedly.

[ClaretLoup]

Three of the next four games are at home if we are still only on five or six points then we are really big trouble as we will need to win nine out of the 24 games left.

The board will need to weigh up the odds at this point and decide what to do in order to give any new incumbent a window to sort things out, though if things carry on as they are, we will be cooked by January anyway.

People seem to think Ekdal and Beyer will stem the tide, two players who have played half a dozen EPL games between them.

[Jakubclaret]

Three of the next four games are at home if we are still only on five or six points then we are really big trouble as we will need to win nine out of the 24 games left.

The board will need to weigh up the odds at this point and decide what to do in order to give any new incumbent a window to sort things out, though if things carry on as they are, we will be cooked by January anyway.

People seem to think Ekdal and Beyer will stem the tide, two players who have played half a dozen EPL games between them.

"People seem to think Ekdal and Beyer will stem the tide, two players who have played half a dozen EPL games between them". You have a point but it's difficult to believe they'd do any worse than DS or AD, it's reasonable to suggest we might concede less but not completely shore things up, I think a lot of belief seems to emanate that all the signings will come without any evidence either way whether that proves to be misguiding remains to be seen, I personally suspect an odd 1 or 2 might improve given time but not everybody, certainly not enough to make that much of a forceful impact rendering the hopes to be hollow.

[Vegas Claret]

When you look at most struggling teams you probably think they may need a centre half,or a centre forward,or a winger,.we need a fresh team.

did you only start watching football this year ?

[wbfc]

Ekdal is too slow and Beyer too weak better than the 2 incumbents at the moment...but would not get in most other premier league teams

Never has the expression clutching at straws so strongly run true

We have achieved a hard earned point at Forest and a lucky win at Luton and been well beaten in the rest of the league games

We have had similar seasons I think 1978 and 79 we did not win many at all

It became desperate to watch as did the 86/87 season

This has a feeling more of the Jimmy Mullen relegation season all decent players individually but too small and weak together collectively

For Winstanley we have O'Shea for Vinicombe we have Vertinho for Robinson we have Amdouni for Hoyland we have Berge

The only difference is Mullen spent relative peanuts and this time we have beat the ranch

If a team cannot defend corners and crosses they are screwed regardless of anything else

If the team is losing like it is running up to Christmas and there seems little prospect it will not be then there cannot be many other options other than to change the manager

If David Moyes gets potted then he would be a good choice..he can set up a team and tries to play a bit when he can

I hope VK can change it around but the players are not there to either score or keep the ball out of the net

[jojomk1]

He needs to bin that set piece coach ASAP.

Never seen a Burnley team as feckless defending them.

Not sure about "set piece" coach but I believe Jackson is designated as "defensive" coach

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Ekdal is too slow and Beyer too weak better than the 2 incumbents at the moment...but would not get in most other premier league teams

Never has the expression clutching at straws so strongly run true

We have achieved a hard earned point at Forest and a lucky win at Luton and been well beaten in the rest of the league games

We have had similar seasons I think 1978 and 79 we did not win many at all

It became desperate to watch as did the 86/87 season

This has a feeling more of the Jimmy Mullen relegation season all decent players individually but too small and weak together collectively

For Winstanley we have O'Shea for Vinicombe we have Vertinho for Robinson we have Amdouni for Hoyland we have Berge

The only difference is Mullen spent relative peanuts and this time we have beat the ranch

If a team cannot defend corners and crosses they are screwed regardless of anything else

If the team is losing like it is running up to Christmas and there seems little prospect it will not be then there cannot be many other options other than to change the manager

If David Moyes gets potted then he would be a good choice..he can set up a team and tries to play a bit when he can

I hope VK can change it around but the players are not there to either score or keep the ball out of the net

Let’s at least see Ekdal play this level before writing him off.

[CoolClaret]

The thing that makes me lean towards getting rid soon is not that the performances and results are unbelievably shite, it’s because I simply can’t fathom how he’s spearheaded our summer recruitment by signing a load of toss for £100m and created an unbalanced squad. He’s then insisted on playing this toss at the expense of our players who fought tooth and nail to get us here.

What on earth has he been drinking since May?

This is what’s most concerning to me.

It’s proper madness.

[CoolClaret]

Not sure about "set piece" coach but I believe Jackson is designated as "defensive" coach

There’s someone else on the staff that’s a ‘specialist’ I believe.

Yeah

[Newcastleclaret93]

Three of the next four games are at home if we are still only on five or six points then we are really big trouble as we will need to win nine out of the 24 games left.

The board will need to weigh up the odds at this point and decide what to do in order to give any new incumbent a window to sort things out, though if things carry on as they are, we will be cooked by January anyway.

People seem to think Ekdal and Beyer will stem the tide, two players who have played half a dozen EPL games between them.

I must admit I don’t get the raving about Ekdal. He’s always just a looked a steady defender.

Is it just a matter of hoping something changes? Rather than what’s actually in front us