The handball

[Big Vinny K]

What's happened to my last few posts?

Nothing to do with me.

[Taffy on the wing]

What's happened to my last few posts?

VAR

[Les Lawrence]

Any decision yet?

[Jakubclaret]

I think there's a difference between 'looking lost' and not trying hard enough. I mean, you can criticise their performances, but I'm not having Brownhill or Roberts as shirkers.

Does the difference matter if the end result is still the same in terms of effectiveness.

[Casper2]

body language to me said he was fearful of making a mistake and disappointing himself and his teammates as they are all under intense pressure from the fans, but hey we cant all be accurate "body language" experts can we

Sounds like you think you’re an expert

[Rick_Muller]

Sounds like you think you’re an expert

Not at all, just offering an alternative perspective

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

As the picture shows it is arm in unnatural position and so should have been checked by VAR. Our team shouldn’t need to surround the ref to tell him, the VAR should have seen it and advised the ref to look at a monitor. The VAR can’t do the job right when checking a goal let alone an incident like the handball at the end. Incompetence again that has cost us again as it did at Forest. That’s up to 3 points that has cost us against our rivals already.

You can argue whether we played well enough to get any points but we need officials to do a better job. Of that there is no doubt. It is also about time that our manager had a whinge about this because Klopp and co are always at it and so if you can’t beat em join em.

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Coote was recovering from over ruling our goal for 5 minutes so probably didn’t even see this one.

[Casper2]

Not at all, just offering an alternative perspective

Intense pressure from the fans , seriously ?

[Rick_Muller]

Intense pressure from the fans , seriously ?

Makes much more sense than “doesn’t want to be here” which was your take on him along with calling him a disgrace - which supports my take

[Swizzlestick]

Does the difference matter if the end result is still the same in terms of effectiveness.

It quite clearly does, as you can be applying maximum effort to a gameplan that isn’t working.

[jlup1980]

Zaroury was a disgrace on Saturday, body language said he didn’t want to be there .

I'm not saying he played well but he wasn't a disgrace. I don't think he was given the ball in a promising position all afternoon. He's hardly played this season so can't be expected to drop into a struggling team and work magic from scraps. He needs a run in the team, like most of our wingers actually. Chopping and changing every week isn't helping anyone currently. For me VK needs to choose his first choice wingers, no.10 & striker and stick with them for half a dozen games.

IMO he should be starting Tresor on the left with Zaroury as first back-up, starting JBL on the right with Koleosho as first back, starting Berge at no.10 with Amdouni as first back up and starting with Foster up top with Jay as first back up. What that means for Redmond, Ramsey and Odobert I don't know, plus there's Benson to come back. I just feel we need to stick with the same team for a while. Give the starters 70 minutes and then throw fresh legs on for the last 20. It can't be any worse than now. At least it might build some understanding between the players. It must be frustrating to not know whether you're even in the squad from one game to the next, nevermind the starting 11!

[claretonthecoast1882]

We have more body language experts that any other fan base in the world

[Jakubclaret]

It quite clearly does, as you can be applying maximum effort to a gameplan that isn’t working.

The end result is still the same because however much they are trying it isn’t making a difference, I could try & put maximum effort into beating tyson fury up but it’s beyond my capabilities he’d end up beating the living s**t out of me however hard I tried. From a footballing perspective it’s quite clear nothing is working, hard graft can’t displace quality we discovered that with the BF goal against MU. The players just aren’t up to the required standard of the PL mostly but as long as they are better than 3 other teams players over the course that’ll be our get out of jail card.

[boatshed bill]

If a penalty went against us for that we would be livid

But it would still be a penalty.

[agreenwood]

Illuminating thread.

It’s almost as if some folk prefer that we didn’t have a strong penalty shout, because to suggest that a decision went against us that might have robbed us of a point, might somehow get in the way of their ability to participate in the hysteria surrounding a poor performance.

[Jakubclaret]

Illuminating thread.

It’s almost as if some folk prefer that we didn’t have a strong penalty shout, because to suggest that a decision went against us that might have robbed us of a point, might somehow get in the way of their ability to participate in the hysteria surrounding a poor performance.

Or alternatively some people are finding it increasingly tiresome & tedious using every excuse under the sun to detract away from poor performances,

[agreenwood]

Or alternatively some people are finding it increasingly tiresome & tedious using every excuse under the sun to detract away from poor performances,

I think they are just discussing whether or not we should have been awarded a penalty.

I think there are plenty of other threads acknowledging how poor we were on Saturday and have been all season. Most players also have their own thread of criticism at the moment too.

It can be simultaneously true that we were poor and might have been awarded a penalty to snatch a point. If the latter annoys you, then you’re just a bit weird.

[Jakubclaret]

I think they are just discussing whether or not we should have been awarded a penalty.

I think there are plenty of other threads acknowledging how poor we were on Saturday and have been all season. Most players also have their own thread of criticism at the moment too.

It can be simultaneously true that we were poor and might have been awarded a penalty to snatch a point. If the latter annoys you, then you’re just a bit weird.

That probably applies to every single club throughout the country over the course of the season it's nothing unique to burnley. Regardless of any official interventions or decisions the defeats can simply be explained purely by us not being good enough without any other contributing factors. That probably would be whipping up hysteria to suggest we are masters of our downfall.

[Casper2]

Makes much more sense than “doesn’t want to be here” which was your take on him along with calling him a disgrace - which supports my take

I know what I saw , he was a disgrace along with a number of others.

[Casper2]

I'm not saying he played well but he wasn't a disgrace. I don't think he was given the ball in a promising position all afternoon. He's hardly played this season so can't be expected to drop into a struggling team and work magic from scraps. He needs a run in the team, like most of our wingers actually. Chopping and changing every week isn't helping anyone currently. For me VK needs to choose his first choice wingers, no.10 & striker and stick with them for half a dozen games.

IMO he should be starting Tresor on the left with Zaroury as first back-up, starting JBL on the right with Koleosho as first back, starting Berge at no.10 with Amdouni as first back up and starting with Foster up top with Jay as first back up. What that means for Redmond, Ramsey and Odobert I don't know, plus there's Benson to come back. I just feel we need to stick with the same team for a while. Give the starters 70 minutes and then throw fresh legs on for the last 20. It can't be any worse than now. At least it might build some understanding between the players. It must be frustrating to not know whether you're even in the squad from one game to the next, nevermind the starting 11!

First touch was appalling, never looked interested
Did he look for the ball , no
Did he track back , no
Was he a disgrace, yes

[Casper2]

Illuminating thread.

It’s almost as if some folk prefer that we didn’t have a strong penalty shout, because to suggest that a decision went against us that might have robbed us of a point, might somehow get in the way of their ability to participate in the hysteria surrounding a poor performance.

If only it was just the one poor performance.

[Rick_Muller]

I know what I saw , he was a disgrace along with a number of others.

Would you share the detail about exactly what you saw so we all agree that he is a disgrace and doesn’t want to be here

[Hibsclaret]

It would be nice if certain posters could stick to friendly ghostlike activity, seeing as it is Halloween of course.

[Casper2]

Would you share the detail about exactly what you saw so we all agree that he is a disgrace and doesn’t want to be here

I told you what I saw , and don’t misinterpret what I posted , I said he didn’t want to be there , meaning playing on Saturday , you came up with some lame arse excuse it was because of pressure from the fans , just to clarify he is a professional footballer, yes fans watch him , if you are happy with how he performed then you are easily pleased , some other fans expect a bit more effort.

[bumba]

Illuminating thread.

It’s almost as if some folk prefer that we didn’t have a strong penalty shout, because to suggest that a decision went against us that might have robbed us of a point, might somehow get in the way of their ability to participate in the hysteria surrounding a poor performance.

Are you talking about any of the 8 out of 10 poor performances in particular?