Resigned to Relegation

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:01 pm

I'm not usually this pessimistic this early, but I just can't see things changing any time soon.
Better performance today, but no Foster meant no cutting edge and no adequate replacement.

Desperately hope I'm wrong but it looks like a swift return to the Championship for us.

cockneyclaret · Post by **cockneyclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:04 pm

I hold my hands up and expected us to comfortably be away from the relegation places but now I honestly can't see us winning more than 3-4 games.
The management have openly said they won't change anything so it's going to be the same till we are officially relegated or Alan and his board change something

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:04 pm

If things are going to improve you start to see some improvements. We are a mess all over

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:05 pm

Back in the car wet and ****** off.

We’re garbage I’m afraid. Powderpuff. No end product. No leadership. No bottle. Cannot score, cannot defend.

Have to agree, consigned to relegation. Sadly seen enough Burnley teams relegated from this league to smell that stench.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

Better today but they were average, we were the better team but we are so toothless. Every error gets punished by good teams up in the prem.

No complaints, disappointed as always but I don’t like the premier league anyway

NickBFC · Post by **NickBFC** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:13 pm

Something is very, very wrong. We are in total freefall now, if we finish higher than bottom I'll be surprised. An unbelievable cock up and fall from grace after last season. The saying if it isn't broken don't fix it rings true.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:14 pm

That’s the spirit

ebby · Post by **ebby** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:14 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm
Better today but they were average, we were the better team but we are so toothless. Every error gets punished by good teams up in the prem.

No complaints, disappointed as always but I don’t like the premier league anyway

Still time to get a bet on.

hoskinsgoalatswansea · Post by **hoskinsgoalatswansea** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm

They’ve seriously messed up. 100 mill spent on nothing. 18 mill (approx) each for Trafford, Tresor and Ramsey! Bang average keeper, not seen anything from Tresor, Ramsey can’t even make the bench. We look awful, and it’s got boring. Add to that, that the prem is a w@nkers’ league, with all the cash, bias and VAR.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:31 pm

Even though on the surface the performance was somewhat better, there was a bit of an air of resignation at the end there. We look so, so fragile. Not sure what the answer is tbh.

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm

Just need to be in touching distance of 17th place when the January transfer window closes

Cornwallclaret · Post by **Cornwallclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:57 pm

Fortunately we’re not the only team struggling,it’s 3 from 4 with possible forest and Everton too,we’ve just got to keep going,after last seasons efforts it feels worse than it already is and with too many self inflicted mistakes you just get punished in the premier league… it’s going to be a long hard season…buckle up

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:02 pm

Forest and Everton will pull away. it's three from four and not looking good but we might just do it.

clansman · Post by **clansman** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:04 pm

Everton are well organised no way they will go down even with 12 point deduction. They will win enough. As Salisbury said 17th is our best hope. January will be absolutely vital!!!

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:05 pm

Used to be that outside the best three or four teams in the league, something had to go very wrong for Burnley to lose at the Turf. It's now the case that something would have to go very wrong for the other team not to win. Some good football being played in spells, but we're one of the softest touches I've ever seen in the premier league. It's dreary as hell, and I never though I'd say that about a team that visibly and obviously tries to play good football. Can't wait for this all to be over, then I can enjoy football again.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:09 pm

Really can’t see currently how we will get anywhere near 30 points never mind beyond.

ClaretAL · Post by **ClaretAL** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:21 pm

I was thinking I don’t see how we can compete, however after today’s match I am a little more positive and think if we play like that but with a more clinical finish we will be fine. I’m definitely better after that match

mikeS · Post by **mikeS** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:28 pm

First ten minutes good.
Last eighty minutes bad.

Ampth7 · Post by **Ampth7** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:34 pm

Better performance today, but I think relegation is highly likely with our lack of goals scored one end and 2.5 goals per game conceded at the other.
If we go down, I think we need to stick with VK and back him to learn from his mistakes this year so that we come back stronger. My only concern at the moment is that his position as manager may become untenable if we don’t at least make a fight of staying up.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:34 pm

Too much pressure on this young team. It can't be doing them any good.

Hbclaret007 · Post by **Hbclaret007** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:35 pm

mikeS wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:28 pm
First ten minutes good.
Last eighty minutes bad.

New specs required for you I think

We were the better side. Lacking Foster unfortunately, but an improvement on recent weeks. Keep the faith, a long way to go yet..

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:37 pm

Absolutely agree with everything but the last sentence.
We're not ready for the Prem but will be after relegation and a decent season next year.
Bring it on.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:43 pm

Effort is always there, but lack of bottle and composure really hurting us. Another game we should have won, another game we got what we deserved.
It's the nature of the beast that when you are down there you get no luck, so it takes an extra large pair to dig yourself out of it. We've yet to show we have.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:46 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:37 pm
Absolutely agree with everything but the last sentence.
We're not ready for the Prem but will be after relegation and a decent season next year.
Bring it on.

What will make us more ready for the Premier league after a relegation and decent season? I don’t know how anyone can even be confident that we’d win promotion next season.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:46 pm
What will make us more ready for the Premier league after a relegation and decent season? I don’t know how anyone can even be confident that we’d win promotion next season.

Because people have got it into their heads that our better players will stay and despite the habit of losing most games this season, they will miraculously rip up the championship because that league is a load of shite.

It's short sighted at best and arrogant at worst.

CHEWBACCA · Post by **CHEWBACCA** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:52 pm

As long as we get a better points total than the famous Derby County debacle I'll take that right now.
We ARE going down as I have said previously but I don't want us to be in the Guinness book of records with less than 10 points and forever mentioned by the stat guys ...

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:53 pm

Even in a fairly bad champ season by our standards you're guaranteed like 10 or 15 wins at least. I'd take that right now. The way things are going this season I reckon I've got about a grand total of 3 more wins to celebrate and make my weekend a good one footy wise between now and next August. Fk that, I want to go back to the championship.

Goodclaret · Post by **Goodclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:14 pm

I'm usually Mr Optimistic but I just can't see where we get enough wins. Palace were definitely one of the worst teams we have faced this season and we still couldn't beat them. Every game gets harder and harder when you're at the bottom. This young sides confidence will be shot. Beyer was so broken after his error which lead to the first goal and that would reverberate across the team. It's a brutal league and we are too naïve/inexperienced to cope, unfortunately.

Saying all that, if we are relegated then so be it. We go again. We stick with VK (like we did with Dyche) and, hopefully, come back up again. A risky plan but, without getting experienced players in, I can't see anything other than a bit of yo-yo'ing going on.

I don't want to go over old ground, and I knew Dyche's time was up with us, but it shows what an amazing job he did to keep us up so long on a limited budget plus get us in to Europe. It really was an amazing feat.

I'll still back these players this season and support then every game but, unfortunately, it's going to be a season to forget.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:46 pm
What will make us more ready for the Premier league after a relegation and decent season? I don’t know how anyone can even be confident that we’d win promotion next season.

Because we have class players who are raw and, by then, will have had enough experience of elite level football and all that entails Ans will learn from that as footballers and grow stronger physically.
We will need a bruiser or two, no doubt about that, but our collection of talent will sweep aside the, generally speaking, pub footballers of the Championship.

claret59 · Post by **claret59** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:41 pm

Every other team in the PL who we have yet to play will be looking forward to playing us and saying to themselves 'this game is an easy three points for us.' We have just about got to the point where we give up before we start because the end result is already known.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:06 pm

All this ' the Champ is dogshit and we will walk it' is frankly annoying. There's really no guarantee we will do what we did last season unless we turn this round somehow - right now we look clueless

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:34 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:01 pm
I'm not usually this pessimistic this early, but I just can't see things changing any time soon.
Better performance today, but no Foster meant no cutting edge and no adequate replacement.

Desperately hope I'm wrong but it looks like a swift return to the Championship for us.

Get how you are feeling but I think you chose the wrong game to finally come to the conclusion we are going to be relegated.

Think again and ask yourself whether this better performance today should make you delay your opinion by a few more weeks. I think it should

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:38 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:34 pm

Think again and ask yourself whether this better performance today should make you delay your opinion by a few more weeks. I think it should

The reason we seemed to play better today, and at times against Everton is that neither team pressed us like the top sides do. Both just sat back and let us have the ball, making us look far better than other teams have done this season.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:48 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:38 pm
The reason we seemed to play better today, and at times against Everton is that neither team pressed us like the top sides do. Both just sat back and let us have the ball, making us look far better than other teams have done this season.

That’s true to a point, but we also restricted Palace to literally two chances, the first being a gift from us and the second being another gift but from a risk we had to take to get the ball back up the pitch in the dying seconds.

This was a dominant performance from us but we’re lacking the ability to put the ball in the net and unfortunately we’ve got at least one mistake which will lead to a goal conceded per game.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:51 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:38 pm
The reason we seemed to play better today, and at times against Everton is that neither team pressed us like the top sides do. Both just sat back and let us have the ball, making us look far better than other teams have done this season.

And that's the difference between playing the top teams and not. Plenty of teams in this league are not top teams . We just have to hope these harsh lessons are learnt quickly by the players

agreenwood · Post by **agreenwood** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:52 pm

I’m not resigned to relegation, but accept it looks more likely than not.

That said, if we can get a bit more luck with injuries to key players and still be in touch come January, who knows.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:54 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm
Just need to be in touching distance of 17th place when the January transfer window closes

Who will want to sign for a team that according to stats are the worst ever Premier League team?

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:55 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:38 pm
The reason we seemed to play better today, and at times against Everton is that neither team pressed us like the top sides do. Both just sat back and let us have the ball, making us look far better than other teams have done this season.

But I think that's because we gift the goals. Had we still been 0-0 kicking off the 2nd half I would guess both Palace and Everton would have upped the press to squeeze a goal before dropping back into shape.

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:20 pm

Defeatist if the board are resigning us to relegation at the beginning of November. What a disastrous window. VK and this team are out completely out of their depth. This brand of football was never going to work at this level against such quality opposition. To just assume we will get promoted if we go down is fanciful. So why throw it away.

ervi34 · Post by **ervi34** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:37 pm

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:55 pm
But I think that's because we gift the goals. Had we still been 0-0 kicking off the 2nd half I would guess both Palace and Everton would have upped the press to squeeze a goal before dropping back into shape.

This 100%. If Beyer never makes that mistake, Palace would not be happy to sit back for the rest of the game.

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:48 pm

I had high hopes that we would survive before a ball was kicked and the right recruitment but unfortunately the recruitment as been a shambles with the money spent and I'm now resigned to relegation.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:02 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 6:46 pm
What will make us more ready for the Premier league after a relegation and decent season? I don’t know how anyone can even be confident that we’d win promotion next season.

It appears I’m the only one that thinks this, but I think we’re a miles better team this year than last. Parts of our play today just never happened last year.

The levels are just completely different and I’m not certain that we can make this style work for us in the Prem with the resources we have, but I’m not worried about winning promotion again if we kept this team together.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:02 pm

agreenwood wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:52 pm
I’m not resigned to relegation, but accept it looks more likely than not.

That said, if we can get a bit more luck with injuries to key players and still be in touch come January, who knows.

It has been an incredibly chastening start to the season after the highs in the Championship but despite it all we have still not been cut adrift by any means yet which has surprised me

Venkys4eva · Post by **Venkys4eva** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 pm

Definitely going down and we will struggle next season especially with trafford

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:05 pm

If you’re resigned to relegation: ok, but then at least get behind the lads

If you’re not: get behind the lads

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:12 pm

The recruitment meant we’ve set up for short term pain for long term gain. I think we got the balance wrong ultimately.

Beyer has to make mistakes like today to develop and learn a hard lesson. It’s part of a young player’s development.

The manager is also brand new to this, he’ll make mistakes and hopefully learn.

This squad is filled with raw talent, we just have to be patient with them and try to support through the difficult losses on their journey of development.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:15 pm

Venkys4eva wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:04 pm
Definitely going down and we will struggle next season especially with trafford

Struggle next season? Not sure where you’re getting that from, we just got 101 points in that league a few months ago. 90% of that team is still here, we’ve added some real young talent to that.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:39 pm

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:54 pm
Who will want to sign for a team that according to stats are the worst ever Premier League team?

I think this is a fair question; it’ll be tough to bring in players in January. Certainly of the quality we need.

Loans will be the way forward I think. Players not playing elsewhere.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sun Nov 05, 2023 5:13 am

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:12 pm
The recruitment meant we’ve set up for short term pain for long term gain. I think we got the balance wrong ultimately.

Beyer has to make mistakes like today to develop and learn a hard lesson. It’s part of a young player’s development.

The manager is also brand new to this, he’ll make mistakes and hopefully learn.

This squad is filled with raw talent, we just have to be patient with them and try to support through the difficult losses on their journey of development.

if you remember when Fulham signed Joachim Andersen he made loads of mistakes, it takes time. Long term we will be good, this season looks like it will be horrifically bad though. Be reet

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sun Nov 05, 2023 6:47 am

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 11:05 pm
If you’re resigned to relegation: ok, but then at least get behind the lads

If you’re not: get behind the lads

Easier said than done BC. I thought the atmosphere was actually pretty decent today, but once we hit 70mins I thought it went kind of flat as everyone was resigned to another loss