any Positives from todays game??

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:01 pm

wasn't at the game so just wondering if we can take anything out of this game??

claretabroad · Post by **claretabroad** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:06 pm

Absolutely. We looked much, much better than at any point this season so far. Koleosho was really positive and direct. Berge looked more settled as the DM. Amdouni was a creative threat. Our passing was crisper and our midfield started to win second balls. 65% possession 15+ chances.

I still think we'll likely get relegated but today was much more positive.

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:08 pm

Depends how positive a person you are.

On one hand we had a lot more of the ball than usual, forced lots of corners and we didn't look like like conceding every time the opposition went forward.

On the other, we created very little from open play and Roy Hodgson's instructions were probably along the lines of "just turn up, they'll make defensive mistakes and we'll win"

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:08 pm

Stats are good…

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

None.

We had loads of the ball against a Palace team that didn’t press us at all, barely threatened and were frankly there for the taking. We played around with it endlessly before inevitably giving it away and had what felt like 50 corners all bar one of which were useless.

If you lose against a team that (today, anyway) was that lacking in urgency or desire you’re really in trouble. You can overlook it with the big teams to an extent, but they were there to be beaten and we farted about with no end product and then threw even a point away with a ludicrous error.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

We found a centre midfield partnership that actually looks like they can operate together in the PL.

O’Shea looked a lot better without having Ameen next to him.

We didn’t fall apart in a second half.

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:08 pm
Stats are good…

Apart from the stats which matter unfortunately.

Claret Alfie · Post by **Claret Alfie** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

Not many positives when you play well and get beat, especially when we get walloped when we don’t play well.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:10 pm

Brownhill had a shot on goal that was at least on target

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:11 pm

Plenty of positives today. Berge and Browny worked well. Koleosho, if he had th final product, would be lethal. Trafford hardly had a thing to do. We forced their keeper into a couple of very good saves. Effort was definitely there. Beyer did well apart from his mistake and we looked more assured with him back. Vitinho worked hard to get us forward. Sore there is more, but it's been probably our best performance this season.

CryerBFC · Post by **CryerBFC** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:12 pm

No.

Stevie Wonder could have seen we were never scoring today.

Berge hobbling round for the last 30 mins, should have been changed.

They were crap and we didn’t even make them sweat.

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:13 pm

We played better without Cullen

But he will start the next game

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:13 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm
None.

Lies, we were miles better today than we have been recently.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:14 pm

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm

O’Shea looked a lot better without having Ameen next to him.

Strange isn't it.
Until recently I'd have said Ameen would have looked better with anyone but O'Shea.

ervi34 · Post by **ervi34** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:14 pm

Overall we looked a lot more better and competitive than in the last few games. However, how many PL teams would be pleased with sitting back for 60 minutes and not even trying to attack us? We defended a lot under Dyche but at least we'd have a few set pieces and maybe some counter attacks. Palace did almost nothing after they scored. And we still didn't create a single good chance to score.

Pickles · Post by **Pickles** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:16 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm
None.

We had loads of the ball against a Palace team that didn’t press us at all, barely threatened and were frankly there for the taking. We played around with it endlessly before inevitably giving it away and had what felt like 50 corners all bar one of which were useless.

If you lose against a team that (today, anyway) was that lacking in urgency or desire you’re really in trouble. You can overlook it with the big teams to an extent, but they were there to be beaten and we farted about with no end product and then threw even a point away with a ludicrous error.

Agreed. Just as with Dyche a few nights ago, Hodgson won't have an easier game. Training ground stuff. Another team who didn't have to graft to beat us. I can take a difference in quality and budgets. But it's more difficult to accept what seems to be a total lack of game plan, tactics, or plain and simple energy. Do we even scout the opposition?!

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:16 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:13 pm
********, we were miles better today than we have been recently.

Palace were there for the taking and our lack of end product means we could be playing till Christmas and wouldn’t have scored. It was much better play than Bournemouth/Everton because we dominated the ball, in that regard yes, better - but we did nothing with it and had so many set pieces that came to nothing. We were endlessly wasteful, it was so frustrating.

The fact that they somehow won from a ludicrous error compounded it.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:18 pm

Better on the ball and with our shape. Obviously didn't lead to us to creating anywhere near enough chances not helped by defensive slip-ups.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:19 pm

claretabroad wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:06 pm
Absolutely. We looked much, much better than at any point this season so far. Koleosho was really positive and direct. Berge looked more settled as the DM. Amdouni was a creative threat. Our passing was crisper and our midfield started to win second balls. 65% possession 15+ chances.

I still think we'll likely get relegated but today was much more positive.

Pretty much exactly what I’d have said

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:20 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:18 pm
Better on the ball and with our shape. Obviously didn't lead to us to creating anywhere near enough chances not helped by defensive slip-ups.

17 shooting opportunities?

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:21 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:20 pm
17 shooting opportunities?

Are you disagreeing that we didn't test the keeper enough?

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:22 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:09 pm
None.

We had loads of the ball against a Palace team that didn’t press us at all, barely threatened and were frankly there for the taking. We played around with it endlessly before inevitably giving it away and had what felt like 50 corners all bar one of which were useless.

If you lose against a team that (today, anyway) was that lacking in urgency or desire you’re really in trouble. You can overlook it with the big teams to an extent, but they were there to be beaten and we farted about with no end product and then threw even a point away with a ludicrous error.

Not sure we "farted about" - there was some decent effort

But, quite correctly observed, we have absolutely no end product

We played around with it because there was little or nobody with finishing skills through the middle

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:22 pm

Pace might decide that Vincent isn't all that easy to fall in love with afterall.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:23 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:21 pm
Are you disagreeing that we didn't test the keeper enough?

I'm not disagreeing with that.
But we did create opportunities to test the keeper.
Finishing moves is our biggest problem IMO.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:18 pm
Better on the ball and with our shape. Obviously didn't lead to us to creating anywhere near enough chances not helped by defensive slip-ups.

12 shots and an Xg of 1.5

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:22 pm
Pace might decide that Vincent isn't all that easy to fall in love with afterall.

We’ve all had a bird and woke up one day and thought? What am I doing

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm

Put it this way - I’d love to play that match again with Foster in our team. My God we’re missing him.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:25 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:23 pm
I'm not disagreeing with that.
But we did create opportunities to test the keeper.
Finishing moves is our biggest problem IMO.

Did you go on the game or watch it? We created chances but nowhere near enough. The keeper was barely tested. Our end product wasn't good enough.

sjb · Post by **sjb** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:25 pm

Best we've played all season though admittedly against a bang average Palace team. Koleosho, Brownhill & J Rod all had very good games, but of course a combination of no cutting edge & defensive howlers leads only to one outcome.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:25 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm
We’ve all had a bird and woke up one day and thought? What am I doing

The chance would be a fine thing!

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:26 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:24 pm
12 shots and an Xg of 1.5

So what?

thelifeofbrian · Post by **thelifeofbrian** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:26 pm

good to get some positivity going on this site me thinks........ The stats are very impressive apart from putting the ball in the back of net..

turbo5 · Post by **turbo5** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:27 pm

Only positive I take from today's game is it's one less game to attend this season on the PL with this team. Thankfully 2.5 hours in the pub with my mates pre game keeps me motivated on match day

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:28 pm

thelifeofbrian wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:26 pm
good to get some positivity going on this site me thinks........ The stats are very impressive apart from putting the ball in the back of net..

Unfortunately, it's putting the ball in the net that wins the games

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:28 pm

We missed Foster.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:28 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:25 pm
Did you go on the game or watch it? We created chances but nowhere near enough. The keeper was barely tested. Our end product wasn't good enough.

No, I wasn't on the game. But the stats say we had 17 shots which is a lot for any team.
How many chances do we need?
Not arguing, merely looking at a stat which strongly suggests that our chance creation wasn't bad but our finishing was.

Luppy · Post by **Luppy** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:30 pm

Difficult to find positives when you are beaten 2-0 by a side that offered absolutely nothing

We just can’t help hitting that self destruct button

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm

Berge was the best player on the pitch

RammyClaret61 · Post by **RammyClaret61** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm

The only team that put us under pressure was us.
First 15 minutes ok, the rest…. Clueless.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:28 pm
No, I wasn't on the game. But the stats say we had 17 shots which is a lot for any team.
How many chances do we need?
Not arguing, merely looking at a stat which strongly suggests that our chance creation wasn't bad but our finishing was.

So you didn't even watch it. The point is we might had 17 shots but we didn't test the keeper anywhere near enough. I can guarantee you that there will a theme on here from those who went on the game ie that we didn't have an end product. If you want to dismiss that view based purely on the shots off target I'll leave you to it.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:35 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:32 pm
So you didn't even watch it. The point is we might had 17 shots but we didn't test the keeper anywhere near enough. I can guarantee you that there will a theme on here from those who went on the game ie that we didn't have an end product. If you want to dismiss that view based purely on the shots off target I'll leave you to it.

I am not suggesting that our end product was good enough.
You seem to be determined to find an argument (with me) that just isn't there.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:38 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:35 pm
I am not suggesting that our end product was good enough.
You seem to be determined to find an argument (with me) that just isn't there.

Apologies, I'm frustrated about today. I also get frustrated when by someone questions a view when they haven't even seen the game.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:38 pm

Much better today, though that’s also illustrative of how bad we’ve been. Confidence looks rock bottom but they stuck at it. Deficiencies in the squad have been done to death but there was much more urgency than before.

Still miles to go before we’re good enough, but compare that to some of the performances recently that was an improvement.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:39 pm

If we aren’t going to get anything against teams like that today we’ve zero chance of staying up.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:39 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:38 pm
Apologies, I'm frustrated about today. I also get frustrated when by someone questions a view when they haven't even seen the game.

Then you really shouldn't talk to me as I have issues with travel (which I won't go into) and cannot attend matches any longer.

Kilson810 · Post by **Kilson810** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:40 pm

Zero positives.
We need points on the board, nothing else matters now and we have let another winnable fixture slip. Could have played till midnight and still not scored.

fungus_the_bogeyman · Post by **fungus_the_bogeyman** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:40 pm

CryerBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:12 pm
No.

Stevie Wonder could have seen we were never scoring today.

Berge hobbling round for the last 30 mins, should have been changed.

They were crap and we didn’t even make them sweat.

Palace weren’t crap. We played right into their hands. Got 1-0 up early from another calamity and they could just sit back and soak up as much pressure as they liked because we were never going to score. They were defensively sound and we never threatened them. As easy of a 2-0 away performance as you’ll see.

Superjohnnyfrancis · Post by **Superjohnnyfrancis** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:41 pm

If we stop setting up the other teams goals we might get a draw.

Burnley1989 · Post by **Burnley1989** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:43 pm

Sander Berge is a brilliant player, you just feel he has a few more gears

fungus_the_bogeyman · Post by **fungus_the_bogeyman** » Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:47 pm

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑
Sat Nov 04, 2023 5:43 pm
Sander Berge is a brilliant player, you just feel he has a few more gears

I like Berge. He’s great in possession so you see a lot of his qualities in games like today where the opposition allows you to have the ball. He’s not so good out of possession, though, which is a quality I think only Cork has in this squad. That fact, I think, really underscores the disappointment of our summer investment.