Saleable Assets

[Mixedkompany]

As Kompany likes to call them. See ‘ Mission to Burnley’.
All very well if they play and perform. But they aren’t and it isn’t happening.
So, we go down with ‘unsaleable liabilities’. We’ve paid around £12m for a number of individual players.
We will be selling at significant losses and they are too young and inexperienced to get us back up.
The manager has created a financial meltdown for next summer. And his position is so strong the board can’t do anything about it.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Don’t worry - our £100m pound player will step it up before long.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

We’ve Koleosho who is fast but has zero end product maybe someone will pay for him. Or maybe someone will be daft like us and pay for Trafford.

[KefkaClaret]

The most boggling thing is we build up the value of Zaroury and then just don't play him so it plumments.

[fungus_the_bogeyman]

Don’t worry - our £100m pound player will step it up before long.

Manuel Benson is going to be the £100m player after he comes back from injury and single-handedly saves us from relegation!!

[Mixedkompany]

January window will be massive.
We need several moved out either perm transfer or loan. And three in with quality and experience for CM, CH and CF cover.
In my view of course.

[Buxtonclaret]

All of them dwarfed by what we'd get for a full box of Twix.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Doubt we’d lose money on any of them tbh

Just because you can’t see their value, doesn’t mean the experts don’t

There’s room for improvement/growth for pretty much all of them
Even Trafford will be worth what we paid, see Ramsdale at Arsenal, 2 consecutive relegations and ended up at Arsenal

[Spiral]

What's going on with Ramsey, is he injured?

[CoolClaret]

Not signing THB or Tella is the strangest decision.

One a leader that ok lacked a bit of pace could bloody pass a decent ball and liked to get stuck in.

The other well - our top goal scorer and best/joint best player of the season? Loved the club, loved the fans - where's the data analysis on that!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not signing THB or Tella is the strangest decision.

One a leader that ok lacked a bit of pace could bloody pass a decent ball and liked to get stuck in.

The other well - our top goal scorer and best/joint best player of the season? Loved the club, loved the fans - where's the data analysis on that!

Tella - dossing in Germany/barely playing, we don’t even know if he wanted to come back here

THB - still in the championship, strange how no other PL club took him on loan
He was great for us but the next sensible step was the PL, not another season in the championship

[NewClaret]

Doubt we’d lose money on any of them tbh

Just because you can’t see their value, doesn’t mean the experts don’t

There’s room for improvement/growth for pretty much all of them
Even Trafford will be worth what we paid, see Ramsdale at Arsenal, 2 consecutive relegations and ended up at Arsenal

It’s basically pointless arguing with some on here.


Koleosho in particular would already go for way more than we bought him for. Amdouni also. Foster would sell for way over £8m assuming he picks up where he left off. In good teams all these players would look excellent in the Prem, sadly they don’t have the quality all around them.

MixedKompany has absolutely no idea what he’s on about.

[Bowclaret]

Get both of them back in Jan - especially THB - unexplainable that we did not sign him.

[CoolClaret]

Tella - dossing in Germany/barely playing, we don’t even know if he wanted to come back here

THB - still in the championship, strange how no other PL club took him on loan
He was great for us but the next sensible step was the PL, not another season in the championship

You’re making the same mistake our recruitment has done this summer - looking at the player and not how they fit the team.

Firstly on Tella - of course he did? Starting to get minutes for the team sat at the top of the Bundesliga

You could say the same thing re Belis about most of our signings ‘no other PL team wanted to sign them’.

[CoolClaret]

It’s basically pointless arguing with some on here.


Koleosho in particular would already go for way more than we bought him for. Amdouni also. Foster would sell for way over £8m assuming he picks up where he left off. In good teams all these players would look excellent in the Prem, sadly they don’t have the quality all around them.

MixedKompany has absolutely no idea what he’s on about.

Koleosho definitely - but I wouldn’t want to sell him either.

Amdouni? Nah, shown nothing so far.

Foster of course but not much more.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You’re making the same mistake our recruitment has done this summer - looking at the player and not how they fit the team.

Firstly on Tella - of course he did? Starting to get minutes for the team sat at the top of the Bundesliga

You could say the same thing re Belis about most of our signings ‘no other PL team wanted to sign them’.

Tella - 45 mins out of the 900 mins available in the league this season

THB - don’t deflect, he’s stayed in the championship for a reason
No other PL club took a punt on him, for whatever reason (probably cost), so he’s having another season in the championship
I thought he was great for us but other clubs don’t feel he’s worth the money

[Claretforever]

Trafford - we wouldn’t get £19m so would lose money, and maybe a lot, but we don’t start paying for him until August 2024 in any case, hence why we paid a little more than he’s worth.

Koleosho - we’d make money on.

Amdouni - we’d make money on.

Berge - we’d get our money back.

O’Shea - we’d lose money.

Odobert- we’d make money.

Beyer - we’d get our money back.

Ramsey - unsure, but feel we’d lose money at this point.

Delcroix- we’d lose money.

Benson - we’d make money on.

Zaroury - we’d make money on.

Muric - we’d get our money back.

Cullen - we’d get our money back.

Foster - we’d make money on. I didn’t think so last season but do now.


Overall I think we’re in a healthy place, but I feel next summer will be the third on the bounce where we have a squad overhaul. We can’t continue buying 10-15 new players.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Koleosho definitely - but I wouldn’t want to sell him either.

Amdouni? Nah, shown nothing so far.

Foster of course but not much more.

Amdouni - https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/ ... to-burnley

[NewClaret]

Koleosho definitely - but I wouldn’t want to sell him either.

Amdouni? Nah, shown nothing so far.

Foster of course but not much more.

You must’ve watched a different game to me then. And the guy behind me actually, who, quite rightly imo, protested massively at Amdouni being taken off because he’s “the best player on the pitch”.

I agreed. I thought taking Amdouni and Koleosho (deff our two best players) was crazy.

In good (experienced) teams, those Amdouni, Koleosho and Foster would smash it.

But the OP said “ So, we go down with ‘unsaleable liabilities’”. Which is just clearly utter bllx. Embarrassing statement.

[CoolClaret]

Amdouni - https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/ ... to-burnley

Article date -18th September 2023

Todays date - 4th Novermber 2023

The 'Swiss Messi' needs to show he can perform at a higher standard than he is showing right now. The Swiss league is incredibly weak, ranked lower than the Belgian league by Uefa.. The Championship is a better league

[CoolClaret]

You must’ve watched a different game to me then. And the guy behind me actually, who, quite rightly imo, protested massively at Amdouni being taken off because he’s “the best player on the pitch”.

I agreed. I thought taking Amdouni and Koleosho (deff our two best players) was crazy.

In good (experienced) teams, those Amdouni, Koleosho and Foster would smash it.

But the OP said “ So, we go down with ‘unsaleable liabilities’”. Which is just clearly utter bllx. Embarrassing statement.

I'm not talking about the game today - Amdouni did ok today, my comment was in retaliation to the notion that he's improved his valuation.

For the fee that we paid and the hype - I'd have expected more.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Article date -18th September 2023

Todays date - 4th Novermber 2023

The 'Swiss Messi' needs to show he can perform at a higher standard than he is showing right now. The Swiss league is incredibly weak, ranked lower than the Belgian league by Uefa.. The Championship is a better league

The point, which you’ve decided to duck under to suit your agenda, is he’s highly regarded/rated across Europe and if we were to sell we’d make our money back and more quite easily

[CoolClaret]

Tella - 45 mins out of the 900 mins available in the league this season

THB - don’t deflect, he’s stayed in the championship for a reason
No other PL club took a punt on him, for whatever reason (probably cost), so he’s having another season in the championship
I thought he was great for us but other clubs don’t feel he’s worth the money

If you think Tella and THB would be performing worse than their 'replacements' this year then I don't know what to tell you.

There's more to football thank plonking 11 men together and expecting it to work.

[CoolClaret]

The point, which you’ve decided to duck under to suit your agenda, is he’s highly regarded/rated across Europe and if we were to sell we’d make our money back and more quite easily

We could potentially make our money back - some may say that he's flattered to impress given the massive step up in standard.

My agenda? Mate we're dog **** - I just don't think it's good enough and can't do with the delusion.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If you think Tella and THB would be performing worse than their 'replacements' this year then I don't know what to tell you.

There's more to football thank plonking 11 men together and expecting it to work.

I’ve never said they’d be worse or better
I’m saying one is in the championship for a reason and the other is warming a bench in Germany

There’s no guarantee they’d be better than who we have despite what you think

[GodIsADeeJay81]

We could potentially make our money back - some may say that he's flattered to impress given the massive step up in standard.

My agenda? Mate we're dog **** - I just don't think it's good enough and can't do with the delusion.

I agree we’re toss, but you’re saying the players have decreased in value in just 10 league games
Yes you’re pushing a stupid agenda, we’d make our money back because the players are generally quite young with lots of room to grow as players

This was my point the other day, we’ve gone from an old squad with little room for player growth and limited value to a young, exciting squad with lots of room to growth and more value long term

[CoolClaret]

I’ve never said they’d be worse or better
I’m saying one is in the championship for a reason and the other is warming a bench in Germany

There’s no guarantee they’d be better than who we have despite what you think

The team would be better - it just would. At our best last season we'd batter what we've seen so far this season.

[CoolClaret]

I agree we’re toss, but you’re saying the players have decreased in value in just 10 league games
Yes you’re pushing a stupid agenda, we’d make our money back because the players are generally quite young with lots of room to grow as players

This was my point the other day, we’ve gone from an old squad with little room for player growth and limited value to a young, exciting squad with lots of room to growth and more value long term

11 league games - nearly a third of the way into the season.

Question, do you want us to be a football team or a commercial venture?

Because as a fan I’d like to be a football team. If you’re happy with being a commercial venture then fair enough - we will never see eye to eye.

Our balance is so wrong. Blind man on a galloping horse can see it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

11 league games - nearly a third of the way into the season.

Question, do you want us to be a football team or a commercial venture?

Because as a fan I’d like to be a football team. If you’re happy with being a commercial venture then fair enough - we will never see eye to eye.

Our balance is so wrong. Blind man on a galloping horse can see it.

JFW this is hard work

As a club we have to be both and that’s where it went wrong during the latter years of the Dyche/Garlick reign

We need to have a constant conveyer of young, talented players coming into the club to replace those that came before them

It takes time to get going

Yes the balance is wrong, but the manager/owners have earned the time/right to rectify it

That you cannot see that isn’t my problem, it’s yours

We had an absolutely brilliant season in the championship and you’re thinking it should instantly translate into a good PL season and you’re struggling now because it hasn’t

[123EasyasBFC]

Foster and koleosho right now are the only 2 players we would sell for profit if season ended tomorrow

[CoolClaret]

JFW this is hard work

As a club we have to be both and that’s where it went wrong during the latter years of the Dyche/Garlick reign

We need to have a constant conveyer of young, talented players coming into the club to replace those that came before them

It takes time to get going

Yes the balance is wrong, but the manager/owners have earned the time/right to rectify it

That you cannot see that isn’t my problem, it’s yours

We had an absolutely brilliant season in the championship and you’re thinking it should instantly translate into a good PL season and you’re struggling now because it hasn’t

We can mix it up far more than we have done.

Nothing wrong with speculating on a few each season.

I don’t think our success in the Champ should have instantly translated into success in the Prem - what I did expect is to be offering more and to be a bit more sensible with our transfers and team building.

I'm not having this massively lowering of the standards and nonsense coming out being on 4 points after 11 games.

Anyone (more or less) can outspend a league and get a team to compete - barely being competitive and blaming it on having a young team is a complete copout.

We spent enough to show more that what we have. That is facts.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Ok cool
You go with that, I cba batting this about with you anymore because it won’t go anywhere

[Iloveyoubrady]

From what we’ve seen so far, we’re in the red.
Foster is big money, and Koleosho we only paid 3M for so loads of cash there, but the rest are worth either the same or less than we paid. A couple of good deals aren’t going to save us.

Also, good point raised higher up, we made benson and Zaroury into potentially big money players last year, only to bench them now…

[Vegas Claret]

the lack of patience is staggering

[watsonsclarets]

We could have taken Tella for 6 million before his loan that was his asking price. Suspect they got greedy and we couldn’t then stomach paying 18/20 million plus because his future value had gone.

Look at LK cost from Espanyol buy low sell high.

THB suspect his value was prohibited and as we are a club who look to maximise our profit I think the main reason we didn’t buy them was we couldn’t guarantee there quality at this level for the fee and didn’t see enough growth in there future value based with what we would have had to pay.I think Maatsen was a panicking move on deadline day which went against overall transfer policy of buy low sell high.

Reason we bought so many forward players because they by and large bring in the most money (appreciate better).

Think overall as a model we make money on our players which we brought in not sure we stay up but we be in a decent position to come back we are going down with assets.

[agreenwood]

the lack of patience is staggering

Apparently the season ended at 6:04pm this afternoon and there aren’t another 27 league games in which our players could put some good performances in and enhance their reputations.

[jrgbfc]

Not sure I agree about Kolesheo and Amdouni yet. Kolesheo is quick but doesn't appear to have any kind of football brain/end product and Amdouni again looks good in patches then goes missing for long spells.

[KRBFC]

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We will be selling at significant losses and they are too young and inexperienced to get us back up.

Yeah because we were such an experienced side last season and we also can’t sign any experience if we are relegated.

Ekdal 2m, Beyer 9m, Zaroury 3m, Benson 2m, Cullen 2m, Foster 8m, McNally 1.5m, Koleosho 3m, Amdouni (reported at 16m? so probably 10m).

Who are we losing significant amounts on? Like VK said last summer the reported fees were inaccurate and the actual amount was closer to half that reported. I assume when it’s reported as £19m for Trafford it’s closer to £10m paid and absolutely stacked with potential add ons.

I think Berge will easily get a move if we are relegated, our best player atm comfortably. Amdouni might have the best close control iv seen at BFC serious talent, Odobert has a good scoring record in French football.

Tresor looks like he’s playing in roller blades and might be the only one we’d struggle to recoup on with a transfer but I’d assume he’d stay and hope to recoup some of that fee by helping the club to promotion.

[KRBFC]

We could have taken Tella for 6 million before his loan that was his asking price. Suspect they got greedy and we couldn’t then stomach paying 18/20 million plus because his future value had gone.

Look at LK cost from Espanyol buy low sell high.

THB suspect his value was prohibited and as we are a club who look to maximise our profit I think the main reason we didn’t buy them was we couldn’t guarantee there quality at this level for the fee and didn’t see enough growth in there future value based with what we would have had to pay.I think Maatsen was a panicking move on deadline day which went against overall transfer policy of buy low sell high.

Reason we bought so many forward players because they by and large bring in the most money (appreciate better).

Think overall as a model we make money on our players which we brought in not sure we stay up but we be in a decent position to come back we are going down with assets.

Tella went for £25m didn’t he? No idea how much was add ons.

I’d have loved Tella back just because I loved him last season but it’s an Enormous fee for someone with zero track record in top flight football and who didn’t break 20 in the Championship.

[Carwin261]

Koleosho definitely - but I wouldn’t want to sell him either.

Amdouni? Nah, shown nothing so far.

Foster of course but not much more.

Thought Amdouni looked quite good yesterday in the 2nd half cutting in from the inside left position until VK took him off .

[Carwin261]

Yeah because we were such an experienced side last season and we also can’t sign any experience if we are relegated.

Ekdal 2m, Beyer 9m, Zaroury 3m, Benson 2m, Cullen 2m, Foster 8m, McNally 1.5m, Koleosho 3m, Amdouni (reported at 16m? so probably 10m).

Who are we losing significant amounts on? Like VK said last summer the reported fees were inaccurate and the actual amount was closer to half that reported. I assume when it’s reported as £19m for Trafford it’s closer to £10m paid and absolutely stacked with potential add ons.

I think Berge will easily get a move if we are relegated, our best player atm comfortably. Amdouni might have the best close control iv seen at BFC serious talent, Odobert has a good scoring record in French football.

Tresor looks like he’s playing in roller blades and might be the only one we’d struggle to recoup on with a transfer but I’d assume he’d stay and hope to recoup some of that fee by helping the club to promotion.

Isnt Tresor on loan with an option to buy,or is it an obligation to buy?

[Ric_C]

If we did go down, we'd have to sell a few to balance the books.

Sell Foster, Koleosho, Trafford, Al-Dahkil and Tresor (just examples)

We'd still have left:
Muric
Roberts
Vitinho
Ekdal
Beyer
Cullen
Massengo
Berge
Brownhill
Ramsey
Benson
JBG
Odobert
Benson
Zaroury
Bruun Larsen

Add a few loans, and sign some physicality and we'd be fine.

As everyone knows, we've massively cocked up recruitment, but only because we've signed for the wrong positions, the general signings haven't been too bad tbh.

[claretandy]

Isnt Tresor on loan with an option to buy,or is it an obligation to buy?

Tresor triggered the buy clause last week when he made his 5th appearance.

[Venkys4eva]

We would be lucky to get 3 million for trafford

[KRBFC]

If we did go down, we'd have to sell a few to balance the books.

Sell Foster, Koleosho, Trafford, Al-Dahkil and Tresor (just examples)

We'd still have left:
Muric
Roberts
Vitinho
Ekdal
Beyer
Cullen
Massengo
Berge
Brownhill
Ramsey
Benson
JBG
Odobert
Benson
Zaroury
Bruun Larsen

Add a few loans, and sign some physicality and we'd be fine.

As everyone knows, we've massively cocked up recruitment, but only because we've signed for the wrong positions, the general signings haven't been too bad tbh.

You forgot McNally, Bastien and Twine returning from their loans. Mellon looking good in L2, Churlinov on the road to recovery, Obafemi too. You left Amdouni and Dara off the list too.

Our squad is stacked with standout Championship players, we can sell 5 and not feel much of a hit.

[KRBFC]

If we sold Brownhill, Foster, Weghorst, Trafford, Dakhil, Tresor, Koleosho.
Lost Taylor, Larsen, Cork and Rodriguez.

Muric
Roberts Ekdal Beyer Delcroix
Cullen Berge Ramsey
Benson Amdouni Zaroury

Potential Subs:
Dara
Churlinov
Gudmundsson
Massengo
Vitinho
Obafemi
Odobert
Redmond
McNally
Twine
Bastien


Anyone wanna tell me that squad isn’t likely to bounce back?

[Mixedkompany]

My OP was really about the commercial situation in the likely event of relegation.
Of course many of the younger players will have a reasonable value, however, some will have little exposure and haven’t had the chance to develop and enhance their value and reputation. So, I feel it’s unlikely their value will increase. We then also have the negative financial effect of relegation. We know there will be a clear out needed to trim the wage bill. Nick Pope @ £10m was an example of the need to sell quickly. And I think all of us were surprised at what we received for Englands No 2 goalkeeper.
None of the younger speculative signings are pulling up any trees atm. Koleosho is the only one who is looking encouraging. But as yet the end product is limited. Foster after a resurgence is now missing from the team. I don’t know why,but if this is psychological his absence could be lengthy. That would certainly impact his value.
I’m trying to be realistic at this point and not pessimistic. The season isn’t over by any means but it appears we have recruited badly in an unbalanced manner. And I feel these so called ‘saleable assets’ in the main will devalue on relegation. There will be the odd exception and if we start winning their values will pick up. However, in order to increase their worth these players have to be bought by PL teams. So, if we take an average PL team. Let’s say Palace for example. Which of our players get into their team and are better now?
None of the back 5. Perhaps Berge, Foster and Koleosho. That’s my view and there’s also a hell of a lot of money wasted on fees and incentives to achieve player churn. Let’s see where we are in July with these saleable assets.
In the meantime I’ll be at Arsenal next week. Hoping we can get something from the game.

[daveisaclaret]

In terms of thinking about which players we will be able to sell for a profit next summer, the answer right now is none of them. Foster is on his way if he can be available often enough and carry on playing as he has.

I can't imagine any Premier League team wanting to sign any of our other players based on performances so far.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

My OP was really about the commercial situation in the likely event of relegation.
Of course many of the younger players will have a reasonable value, however, some will have little exposure and haven’t had the chance to develop and enhance their value and reputation. So, I feel it’s unlikely their value will increase. We then also have the negative financial effect of relegation. We know there will be a clear out needed to trim the wage bill. Nick Pope @ £10m was an example of the need to sell quickly. And I think all of us were surprised at what we received for Englands No 2 goalkeeper.
None of the younger speculative signings are pulling up any trees atm. Koleosho is the only one who is looking encouraging. But as yet the end product is limited. Foster after a resurgence is now missing from the team. I don’t know why,but if this is psychological his absence could be lengthy. That would certainly impact his value.
I’m trying to be realistic at this point and not pessimistic. The season isn’t over by any means but it appears we have recruited badly in an unbalanced manner. And I feel these so called ‘saleable assets’ in the main will devalue on relegation. There will be the odd exception and if we start winning their values will pick up. However, in order to increase their worth these players have to be bought by PL teams. So, if we take an average PL team. Let’s say Palace for example. Which of our players get into their team and are better now?
None of the back 5. Perhaps Berge, Foster and Koleosho. That’s my view and there’s also a hell of a lot of money wasted on fees and incentives to achieve player churn. Let’s see where we are in July with these saleable assets.
In the meantime I’ll be at Arsenal next week. Hoping we can get something from the game.

Just stop digging, you’re making it worse

The back 5 will go for good money, Taylor excepted due to his age

Money hasn’t been wasted really, stop making that claim

[GodIsADeeJay81]

In terms of thinking about which players we will be able to sell for a profit next summer, the answer right now is none of them. Foster is on his way if he can be available often enough and carry on playing as he has.

I can't imagine any Premier League team wanting to sign any of our other players based on performances so far.

Really?

A bunch of young players, with room to improve and you think no one’s going to want them?

Ok