Beyer has taken this one personally...

[burnleymik]

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[agreenwood]

Poor lad and fair play, but there were 68 mins afterwards to at least salvage a point.

[Elizabeth]

He had his head in his hands immediately they scored.
Such hurt should lead to him never making this mistake again.

You play for the shirt Beyer so you are one of us

[BabylonClaret]

Yeah it was a terrible mistake and sadly cost is the game. However we should get behind him as the back 4 are better with him in it.

I hop Vincent keeps the same back 4 for the next 3-4 games so we can build some consistency. In fact I hope he keeps largely the same 1st 11 (maybe redmond and BrunLarsson in for others like Amdouni and Koleosho

[Bosscat]

I can't blame the lad ... these things happen ...

[boatshed bill]

I think our lads are finding out the reality of EPL football.
They should all learn from this error, and the will to improve.
Fair play to Louis Jordan, he has the balls to take responsibility.

[COBBLE]

Respect to you young man. Use this to move on.

[claretspice]

He just had to welly it into the stand. He was on his wrong foot having to execute a tricky turn to get it back to his keeper, under pressure.

The desire to play from all areas is laudable, but its hard to escape the conclusion rhe management is over emphasising this and not supporting the players enough to take pragmatic decisions when they are needed. Like many goals before this season, that today was a product of that environment.

[Carwin261]

It’s ironic ,the guy we all wanted back made a big mistake ,I just hope he stays fit because despite today he’s one of our better players

[Terrier]

Lot better team with this lad in it, he will have a lot more ups than downs for sure!

[BurnleyFC]

Yeah it was a terrible mistake and sadly cost is the game. However we should get behind him as the back 4 are better with him in it.

I hop Vincent keeps the same back 4 for the next 3-4 games so we can build some consistency. In fact I hope he keeps largely the same 1st 11 (maybe redmond and BrunLarsson in for others like Amdouni and Koleosho

I’d personally have Roberts back in (although Vitinho did OK today) and swap Delcroix for O’Shea, who seems to be having stinker after stinker.

[Elizabeth]

He just had to welly it into the stand. He was on his wrong foot having to execute a tricky turn to get it back to his keeper, under pressure.

The desire to play from all areas is laudable, but its hard to escape the conclusion rhe management is over emphasising this and not supporting the players enough to take pragmatic decisions when they are needed. Like many goals before this season, that today was a product of that environment.

So you seriously think Kompany is brainwashing the players. Another swipe at the management by the usual suspects.
What about players having a mind of their own. After Berge's MOTM performance today spice, I suggest you stop when you are ahead instead of stirring another pot

[ksrclaret]

We looked much better as a defensive unit with him in it organising those around him, but bloody hell fire, that mistakes just about sums us up this season. Desperate.

I'm not holding anything against him though because he's one of the few lads in the team with some fight and personality. We all make mistakes, move on.

[Rileybobs]

So you seriously think Kompany is brainwashing the players. Another swipe at the management by the usual suspects.
What about players having a mind of their own. After Berge's MOTM performance today spice, I suggest you stop when you are ahead instead of stirring another pot

There’s definitely a valid viewpoint that the players are over-coached and not given the freedom to always think for themselves. Our defenders seem to have a ‘keep possession at all costs’ policy and only clear their lines or put the ball into touch when absolutely necessary. This is obviously an instruction from the management being followed to the letter. Equally I think this ‘over-coaching’ may be stifling our attacking creativity.

[claretspice]

So you seriously think Kompany is brainwashing the players. Another swipe at the management by the usual suspects.
What about players having a mind of their own. After Berge's MOTM performance today spice, I suggest you stop when you are ahead instead of stirring another pot

Brainwashing? Eh? He's coaching them and instructing them and establishing the principles and framework within which they play. The goal is a product of that. I'm not overly critical of Kompany but I do think we news to be more pragmatic at times.

As for the rest, I don't understand what your getting at so each to their own.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Was pretty obvious from his reaction after the goal. Best defender at the club by a mile.

[Rileybobs]

As for Beyer’s mistake, these things happen and there was plenty of time remaining and possession of the ball to get back into the game.

[ksrclaret]

So you seriously think Kompany is brainwashing the players. Another swipe at the management by the usual suspects.
What about players having a mind of their own. After Berge's MOTM performance today spice, I suggest you stop when you are ahead instead of stirring another pot

Bizarre and nonsensical post and there's only one poster trying to stir the pot here.

[BabylonClaret]

So you seriously think Kompany is brainwashing the players. Another swipe at the management by the usual suspects.
What about players having a mind of their own. After Berge's MOTM performance today spice, I suggest you stop when you are ahead instead of stirring another pot

Today's loss is 100% on Vincent - its a bad individual error but he's picking the team, setting it up and making decisions on changes when it's not working. 77 minutes it took to make a substitution despite us desperate needing the points. 77.

[Burnley1989]

Gutted when I read that earlier, shows how theses young lads take it.
Granted they’re well payed but they all put a shift in, he’s our best defender and I maintain my stance he will play for the German national team before the euros, he’s class

[Elizabeth]

Brainwashing? Eh? He's coaching them and instructing them and establishing the principles and framework within which they play. The goal is a product of that. I'm not overly critical of Kompany but I do think we news to be more pragmatic at times.

As for the rest, I don't understand what your getting at so each to their own.

Let me express what I'm getting at in clear terms to you

You are well known on this board for banging a drum on certain subjects , so you do know what I'm getting at.
Where, in my opinion, you go stale is when you overthink things. You seriously think Kompany doesn't want a player to put the ball out of play in such a situation as of today
That he's teaching them to become contortionists so that they can turn their body inside out to pass back to their goalkeeper.
The mistake has been owned by Beyer , that says enough

[Bowclaret]

Pure class this lad and will be with us in the prem next season for sure.

Will play for Germany in the World Cup one day.

[boatshed bill]

Brainwashing? Eh? He's coaching them and instructing them and establishing the principles and framework within which they play. The goal is a product of that. I'm not overly critical of Kompany but I do think we news to be more pragmatic at times.

That's what managers do, Spice.

[123EasyasBFC]

First player to take some responsibility this season fair play

[claretspice]

That's what managers do, Spice.

Well exactly

[Spiral]

I feel for the lad, he looked shell shocked after the goal. Not to get too deep or anything, but it's a curse of nature that in general the people who care the most are the ones who feel most terribly the pain of any mistakes they make. Those people usually are the ones most deserving of forgiveness, but their anguish and frustration with themselves when they make a mistake doesn't allow them to forgive themselves, so we end up with the best people feeling the worst, and the worst people not feeling at all.

[boatshed bill]

Well exactly

It's still up to the players to take responsibility for 90 minutes, isn't it?
Beyer has held his hand up, and fair play to him.
He hasn't said "I'd have booted it out but I've been brainwashed by Vinnie"

[Newcastleclaret93]

Gutted when I read that earlier, shows how theses young lads take it.
Granted they’re well payed but they all put a shift in, he’s our best defender and I maintain my stance he will play for the German national team before the euros, he’s class

Not sure about that one.

He’s up against some of the best CBs in the world in Rudiger and Schlotterback. Doubt he will ever start for Germany tbh.

[ksrclaret]

It's still up to the players to take responsibility for 90 minutes, isn't it?
Beyer has held his hand up, and fair play to him.
He hasn't said "I'd have booted it out but I've been brainwashed by Vinnie"

Beyer's individual mistake coming as a product of the team being asked to over-play is a valid point of view to have.

Leave it there and move on.

[claretspice]

It's still up to the players to take responsibility for 90 minutes, isn't it?
Beyer has held his hand up, and fair play to him.
He hasn't said "I'd have booted it out but I've been brainwashed by Vinnie"

I don't think anyone sensible has suggested brainwashing. But obviously, players decisions are influenced by the instructions the coaching team give the players. It isn't the first goal in recent games to come from a Burnley player trying to overplay under pressure deep in his own half and losing the ball, is it? If they're all making similar mistakes does that not suggest something systemic?

[Elizabeth]

Beyer's individual mistake coming as a product of the team being asked to over-play is a valid point of view to have.

Leave it there and move on.

I agree we should move on but as I made the original point I think I should have the honour of making the final point
I am convinced Kompany does not teach the players to over- play

[boatshed bill]

I don't think anyone sensible has suggested brainwashing. But obviously, players decisions are influenced by the instructions the coaching team give the players. It isn't the first goal in recent games to come from a Burnley player trying to overplay under pressure deep in his own half and losing the ball, is it? If they're all making similar mistakes does that not suggest something systemic?

The only things I'm seeing that could be described as systematic is that they are under greater pressure and the outball is better covered.

[agreenwood]

Not sure about that one.

He’s up against some of the best CBs in the world in Rudiger and Schlotterback. Doubt he will ever start for Germany tbh.

Have a day off.

[boyyanno]

Let me express what I'm getting at in clear terms to you

You are well known on this board for banging a drum on certain subjects , so you do know what I'm getting at.
Where, in my opinion, you go stale is when you overthink things. You seriously think Kompany doesn't want a player to put the ball out of play in such a situation as of today
That he's teaching them to become contortionists so that they can turn their body inside out to pass back to their goalkeeper.
The mistake has been owned by Beyer , that says enough

You think that's how to talk to someone else?

You can barely post a coherent sentence and when you do you're boring as sh**e. Stop being a dick.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Have a day off.

We all wish for this. A week or a year would be better.

[Spiral]

I am convinced Kompany does not teach the players to over- play

You actually watched us this season?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Have a day off.

Haha honestly grow up.

I’m replying to a post about someone saying Beyer will play for Germany. I mean come on just a spec of realism would be nice

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Haha honestly grow up.

I’m replying to a post about someone saying Beyer will play for Germany. I mean come on just a spec of realism would be nice

All your Christmas’s have come at once post 5pm.

[ksrclaret]

Haha honestly grow up.

I’m replying to a post about someone saying Beyer will play for Germany. I mean come on just a spec of realism would be nice

It does make me chuckle that just about everything you post on here is pounced on immediately.

Objectively, there was absolutely nothing controversial about your post.

Maybe they missed their cyber bullying lessons at schools.

[Newcastleclaret93]

It does make me chuckle that just about everything you post on here is pounced on immediately.

Objectively, there was absolutely nothing controversial about your post.

Maybe they missed their cyber bullying lessons at schools.

Yep I am used to it now.

I rate Beyer but the exact same stuff was said last season about THB and England. Germany literally have some of the best CBs in world football. I don’t think it’s controversial to say that.

[Elizabeth]

You actually watched us this season?

Silly question. If you've ever taught you will know that it takes time for the pupils to fully understand what you are teaching them.
It's as simple to understand as that and the sooner some get away from this black and white thinking the quicker we will all get behind the team and Kompany this season.
The number of negative threads allowed to start on this forum is a poor look and in my opinion it's time to have a serious look at whether this is actually a fans forum or a vehicle to knock the club and all that goes with it

[Newcastleclaret93]

All your Christmas’s have come at once post 5pm.

Yes I love spending the best past of £200 and travelling for 5 hours to see us lose

[agreenwood]

He just had to welly it into the stand. He was on his wrong foot having to execute a tricky turn to get it back to his keeper, under pressure.

The desire to play from all areas is laudable, but its hard to escape the conclusion rhe management is over emphasising this and not supporting the players enough to take pragmatic decisions when they are needed. Like many goals before this season, that today was a product of that environment.

I was discussing this today. Last season we started with a “pure” play through the the thirds philosophy, but after some early hiccups, we became a bit more pragmatic and weren’t adverse to going longer into the space behind their defence - Tella was the main beneficiary. That had the effect of the opposition not knowing how best to set up and just playing scared for 90 mins in several games.

We not yet shown a similar pragmatic approach this season in response to our poor start, but I find it hard to believe that Kompany wouldn’t want a CB in that position to just knock it into the stand. I think Beyer just had a lapse in concentration. I’m not sure it’s because he’s hard wired to play a 30-yard ball to Trafford whilst under pressure and with his momentum making the pass difficult.

[Spiral]

FWIW within the episteme of modern coaching the defensive third appears to me to be the most systematically coached area of the field. One might call it 'over coaching' for lack of a better term, though I personally wouldn't go as far as calling it that outright, because that's a kind of pejorative term that undervalues it when it actually works (and it often does). It's the foundation that coaches believe they can exert the most amount of control over. Goals are a sort of fluid and dynamic emergent phenomenon that can't truly be systematised because of the sheer weight of numbers you have to contend with with the defending team, and you've just got to trust that the attackers use their ability to win their battles and make chances and score, and just PLAY to put it simply. But when in possession in defensive areas, you typically have a numerical advantage in those zones, and as such, more passing options, which allows you to play more systematically and according to a design.

[agreenwood]

Haha honestly grow up.

I’m replying to a post about someone saying Beyer will play for Germany. I mean come on just a spec of realism would be nice

Yep. It was definitely within the spirit of the thread to write off Beyer’s international career.

[Burnleyareback2]

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How could we let Barnes go…

[claretspice]

I was discussing this today. Last season we started with a “pure” play through the the thirds philosophy, but after some early hiccups, we became a bit more pragmatic and weren’t adverse to going longer into the space behind their defence - Tella was the main beneficiary. That had the effect of the opposition not knowing how best to set up and just playing scared for 90 mins in several games.

We not yet shown a similar pragmatic approach this season in response to our poor start, but I find it hard to believe that Kompany wouldn’t want a CB in that position to just knock it into the stand. I think Beyer just had a lapse in concentration. I’m not sure it’s because he’s hard wired to play a 30-yard ball to Trafford whilst under pressure and with his momentum making the pass difficult.

Perhaps. But then it's hard to believe Kompany wanted Taylor to dwell on the ball where he did last week, or Ramsey to try and take on Trippier in the left back position at Newcastle, and so on. But it keeps happening.

I agree with your observation about last season.

[Burnley1989]

Not sure about that one.

He’s up against some of the best CBs in the world in Rudiger and Schlotterback. Doubt he will ever start for Germany tbh.

Yeah I get that, he’s miles behind, just think he has the potential to be brilliant, let’s see over the next 2-3 month

[Spiral]

Ashley Barnes still the dressing room leader, even from 200 miles away. Fking legend, honestly.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yeah I get that, he’s miles behind, just think he has the potential to be brilliant, let’s see over the next 2-3 month

He very well might be brilliant over the next few months I just think the que of CBS they have in there ranks I don’t think he will get a chance unless he moves to a bigger club.