Today’s football 5.11

[RVclaret]

That’ll disappoint some in here

thought the same

[DAVETHEVICAR]

Get in and deserved

[Murger]

That’ll disappoint some in here

Not really. Even if they lose, they’ve stayed in the game and had a go. Which is more than can be said for us.

[Pickles]

Looks like it'll be a point in the end but nevertheless, it's an impressive and dogged showing.

We were miles better than Luton last season. Yet in a matter of a few months, they've overtaken us in some ways.

Yes we beat them but it wasn't a convincing performance, Luton caused us lots of problems and a last minute screamer got us the victory.

It's a long game. But as we started again, Luton finessed what they had.

[CoolClaret]

The truth of the matter is we should be miles ahead of Luton - just how we were last season

We should absolutely not be relying on their results to potentially define our season.

[NewClaret]

Not really. Even if they lose, they’ve stayed in the game and had a go. Which is more than can be said for us.

So you’re not pleased Liverpool have scored?

[Stayingup]

Anyway what about the decline of Norwich (minus AB) or the resurgence of .... oh bugger!!!

[Swizzlestick]

Perhaps some of you lot would be better off supporting Luton for the rest of the season. Save us the snide remarks.

[Buxtonclaret]

Good watch, that.

[CoolClaret]

Perhaps some of you lot would be better off supporting Luton for the rest of the season. Save us the snide remarks.

Just appreciate some honesty instead of cope/delusion and lowering of expectations. That'd be a start

[claretblue]

…You've got to wish them well…

are you insane Jimmy?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Just appreciate some honesty instead of cope/delusion and lowering of expectations. That'd be a start

Yep they will be back saying it’s impossible for a promoted team to get anything against a top team in no time

[taio]

Just appreciate some honesty instead of cope/delusion and lowering of expectations. That'd be a start

The lowest of expectations is concluding we will definitely be relegated after 11 games.

[Carwin261]

That’s a relief ,can’t understand the comments like ‘ That’ll disappoint some’ were all Burnley fans at the end of the day we want to win ,but when you see the likes of Luton (Who we all probably think man for man that they are inferior to us ) give a top team a hell of a game it makes you wonder if there’s more than one way to skin a cat ,and that VK and his staff appear inflexible and it’s to the detriment of the team.

[CoolClaret]

Yep they will be back saying it’s impossible for a promoted team to get anything against a top team in no time

Remember we had no right in even hoping for a draw against Villa! Just roll over, let our bellies get tickled and enjoy a 3-1 loss like a good little happy clapper.

[Murger]

So you’re not pleased Liverpool have scored?

I am, but Luton have shown that it’s possible to take on the big teams, and not write them off like we’ve done.

[CoolClaret]

The lowest of expectations is concluding we will definitely be relegated after 11 games.

We will if we continue like we are - think anyone can see that

[Swizzlestick]

Remember we had no right in even hoping for a draw against Villa! Just roll over, let our bellies get tickled and enjoy a 3-1 loss like a good little happy clapper.

Who on earth even said that? What are you talking about?

[CoolClaret]

Who on earth even said that? What are you talking about?

Some posters were making it out like we almost had no right even giving Villa a game!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who on earth even said that? What are you talking about?

Loads of posters. Go back over the threads

[NewClaret]

I am, but Luton have shown that it’s possible to take on the big teams, and not write them off like we’ve done.

Then my post wasn’t intended for you.

[JimmyRobbo]

are you insane Jimmy?

Are you deliberately editing my quote to be disingenuous? Are you insane?

I think it is a fantastic story and I love to see the underdog stick it to the man. It's a truly inspiring story. I loved it when we did it. We grew tired of it, too. Why not wish them well, but not at our expense, obviously? (As my original quote plainly stated).

[taio]

We will if we continue like we are - think anyone can see that

Well, yes, obviously if we continue like we are. But that's not guaranteed.

[NewClaret]

Who on earth even said that? What are you talking about?

Just ignore him. Not worth reacting.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Edwards deserves credit for getting the best out of players like Barkley, Suspect we’d still just be as **** with him because our manager has an arrogant belief that we don’t have to adapt.

[Buxtonclaret]

Just switched over in time to watch the Paper Mill lads equalise against Charlton!

[scouseclaret]

Luton demonstrated exactly what you need to do when you’re not really good enough for this division. Dig-in, defend like your lives depend on it, frustrate the opposition and hope to get something on the break or a set piece. Just like we used to do under Dyche.

Sadly we’re as incapable of producing a performance like that with the players we have as we are of outfootballing anyone at this level.

[FCBurnley]

Huge error by Edwards. Shoulda played 2 at the back and lost 5-1

[Steddyman]

Difference between them and us, they added experience and fight to the squad, we added kids on the hope of selling them for a profit.

[Rileybobs]

Surely without resorting to extreme, polarised views we can all agree that that Luton Town performance had something that we’ve lacked so far this season - workrate, intensity, physicality, organisation, camaraderie.

It’s stupid to use another team’s game as a stick to beat our team with, but there are things we could learn from the way that they competed with and matched a top team for 100 minutes. We should rightly be asking if Luton Town can do it why can’t we.

[Safron]

Let battle commence

[JimmyRobbo]

Luton demonstrated exactly what you need to do when you’re not really good enough for this division. Dig-in, defend like your lives depend on it, frustrate the opposition and hope to get something on the break or a set piece. Just like we used to do under Dyche.

Sadly we’re as incapable of producing a performance like that with the players we have as we are of outfootballing anyone at this level.

Unfortuantely, I think you may have hit the nail on the head, as things stand.

I'm hopeful we will learn how to not gift goals and give ourselves enough of a chance.

[CoolClaret]

Huge error by Edwards. Shoulda played 2 at the back and lost 5-1

They may have gained a point but ultimately they lost the 'trying to play football the right way'* award.

[StayingDown4Ever]

Surely without resorting to extreme, polarised views we can all agree that that Luton Town performance had something that we’ve lacked so far this season - workrate, intensity, physicality, organisation, camaraderie.

It’s stupid to use another team’s game as a stick to beat our team with, but there are things we could learn from the way that they competed with and matched a top team for 100 minutes. We should rightly be asking if Luton Town can do it why can’t we.

Because most of our players are puny weaklings compared to the men they are facing most games.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Another weird thread.

Some are absolutely revelling in the poor start to the season.

Proper weird to see.

[CoolClaret]

Another weird thread.

Some are absolutely revelling in the poor start to the season.

Proper weird to see.

Historically bad start* to the season

[claretblue]

Are you deliberately editing my quote to be disingenuous? Are you insane?

I think it is a fantastic story and I love to see the underdog stick it to the man. It's a truly inspiring story. I loved it when we did it. We grew tired of it, too. Why not wish them well, but not at our expense, obviously? (As my original quote plainly stated).

Yes Jimmy I did deliberately highlight your ‘wish them well’ comment as at the time I wished them anything but well!
…I apologise to you for that!
As you later stated ‘not at our expense’…I would wish all the teams in Premiership well with that caveat!
I guess we all hope we can survive and sorry for any implied criticism of you!
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[Silkyskills1]

The tone of your post suggests this question might well be a disingenuous one, but I think I can help out anyway on the off chance you are actually interested.

At the start of last season Forest played quite an open and attacking 3412 formation with an emphasis on trying to move the ball around. After a very poor start, they changed to a defensive 433 shape with an emphasis on being compact and letting the opposition see more of the ball, but then breaking out very quickly on the counter.

Nothing disingenuous about me. I've mentioned a number of times recently,as it happens, that I've been a football fan all my life but tactically I'm very naive. When I saw the original post I thought there was an opportunity for me to learn something; especially about changing styles/ tactics to become a better team. Thanks for your input but it was the tactics I was after as opposed to your post whi h highlighted a team being more compact, I think the word is.
Still waiting for the original poster to enlighten me ..... and perhaps others.

[Jamesy]

They may have gained a point but ultimately they lost the 'trying to play football the right way'* award.

They created some good stuff. One major difference between Luton and ourselves is that to a man they looked up for the challenge.

[scouseclaret]

Surely without resorting to extreme, polarised views we can all agree that that Luton Town performance had something that we’ve lacked so far this season - workrate, intensity, physicality, organisation, camaraderie.

It’s stupid to use another team’s game as a stick to beat our team with, but there are things we could learn from the way that they competed with and matched a top team for 100 minutes. We should rightly be asking if Luton Town can do it why can’t we.

Because we don’t have the right players. Luton were defending 1 to 11. A lot of our players are too lightweight, even at the back - Vitinho, Al Dakhil, OShea…

[Swizzlestick]

Another weird thread.

Some are absolutely revelling in the poor start to the season.

Proper weird to see.

Utterly bizarre. Trying to outdo each with shitty little jibes.

[Jakubclaret]

Surely without resorting to extreme, polarised views we can all agree that that Luton Town performance had something that we’ve lacked so far this season - workrate, intensity, physicality, organisation, camaraderie.

It’s stupid to use another team’s game as a stick to beat our team with, but there are things we could learn from the way that they competed with and matched a top team for 100 minutes. We should rightly be asking if Luton Town can do it why can’t we.

We have a right to ask but I don't think we'll like the answers.

[wbfc]

Brian Miller said in 1987 that Burnley would never have a small weak team again ...that is exactly what has happened AAD was out muceled for the 3rd Everton goal and Beyer for the first ...

It is no good saying we are too weak in the defence and will not score goals and accept it just because VK is in charge ...

He did well last year better than well but that is balanced now by doing worse than worse this year

Could be six next week ...but after that there are 6 games where he has to get points or for me the writing is on the wall

I hope he can do so ...for me some of the players have real potential but the first job for any promoted team is to try and stay up and that was not foremost in the minds of anybody at the club or many fans...for that matter

[CoolClaret]

Utterly bizarre. Trying to outdo each with shitty little jibes.

Not at all.

Just want the manager to own it a bit, stop talking about the young squad, talking about finances vs other teams - just own it and for some fans to stop parroting the nonsense.

We chose this approach. We made the signings and we're reaping the consequences.

Luton have just shown that the excuses that have been thrown out re competing against the better sides in the league are nonsense.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Not at all.

Just want the manager to own it a bit, stop talking about the young squad, talking about finances vs other teams - just own it and for some fans to stop parroting the nonsense.

We chose this approach. We made the signings and we're reaping the consequences.

Luton have just shown that the excuses that have been thrown out re competing against the better sides in the league are nonsense.

Our squad is definitely good enough to stay up. We just need to change tactics/style or get a manager that will

[NewClaret]

Surely without resorting to extreme, polarised views we can all agree that that Luton Town performance had something that we’ve lacked so far this season - workrate, intensity, physicality, organisation, camaraderie.

It’s stupid to use another team’s game as a stick to beat our team with, but there are things we could learn from the way that they competed with and matched a top team for 100 minutes. We should rightly be asking if Luton Town can do it why can’t we.

The issue for me is that we’ve done that. Been there, got the T shirt. Actually became the team renowned for all those characteristics you describe. We had some great performances and results. But went down ultimately. And let’s not glorify it; defending for 90 minutes and nicking a goal was ****e to watch, even when the result went our way.

And although we hit 7th & 10th in general we were scrapping it out at the bottom like we are now.

What we’re trying to achieve with this team is completely different. We’re trying to create a team of high technical ability that can play football, rather than defend. We’re buying young players we see as having high potential and the ability to become top players on the world stage vs ageing pro’s. We’re playing a style that is good to watch, not just about stopping the opponents scoring.

I am not a “happy clapper”. I don’t see our football as perfect. We are terrible at many things and I’d prefer more variety in our play. But what Kompany is trying to implement is a completely different plan. Completely different. So trying to compare us with Luton, who are on different paths, is futile.

Luton may stay up this season. We may not. But I’d bet Luton won’t be here for long and IF we stay up, we’ll be a completely different prospect next year. Whereas Luton will be exactly the same.

[Rileybobs]

The issue for me is that we’ve done that. Been there, got the T shirt. Actually became the team renowned for all those characteristics you describe. We had some great performances and results. But went down ultimately. And let’s not glorify it; defending for 90 minutes and nicking a goal was ****e to watch, even when the result went our way.

And although we hit 7th & 10th in general we were scrapping it out at the bottom like we are now.

What we’re trying to achieve with this team is completely different. We’re trying to create a team of high technical ability that can play football, rather than defend. We’re buying young players we see as having high potential and the ability to become top players on the world stage vs ageing pro’s. We’re playing a style that is good to watch, not just about stopping the opponents scoring.

I am not a “happy clapper”. I don’t see our football as perfect. We are terrible at many things and I’d prefer more variety in our play. But what Kompany is trying to implement is a completely different plan. Completely different. So trying to compare us with Luton, who are on different paths, is futile.

Luton may stay up this season. We may not. But I’d bet Luton won’t be here for long and IF we stay up, we’ll be a completely different prospect next year. Whereas Luton will be exactly the same.

That all sounds a bit ‘football snob’ to me if I’m honest. I didn’t see Luton defend for 90 minutes and nick a goal, I saw them compete man for man against technically superior players and match them. Luton had 5 shots on target, the same number we managed against Palace. And I wouldn’t say we’re playing a style that’s good to watch, we may be aspiring to do so, but that’s completely different. If I was a Luton fan I’d have been thoroughly entertained by their performance.

[CoolClaret]

The issue for me is that we’ve done that. Been there, got the T shirt. Actually became the team renowned for all those characteristics you describe. We had some great performances and results. But went down ultimately. And let’s not glorify it; defending for 90 minutes and nicking a goal was ****e to watch, even when the result went our way.

And although we hit 7th & 10th in general we were scrapping it out at the bottom like we are now.

What we’re trying to achieve with this team is completely different. We’re trying to create a team of high technical ability that can play football, rather than defend. We’re buying young players we see as having high potential and the ability to become top players on the world stage vs ageing pro’s. We’re playing a style that is good to watch, not just about stopping the opponents scoring.

I am not a “happy clapper”. I don’t see our football as perfect. We are terrible at many things and I’d prefer more variety in our play. But what Kompany is trying to implement is a completely different plan. Completely different. So trying to compare us with Luton, who are on different paths, is futile.

Luton may stay up this season. We may not. But I’d bet Luton won’t be here for long and IF we stay up, we’ll be a completely different prospect next year. Whereas Luton will be exactly the same.

The problem is we didn't kick on when we got to those heights and actually some of the football we played when we finished 7th / 10th was brilliant.

Dynamic, fast at them, relentless pressing.

Passing around the back doing nothing, getting disposessed and conceedin is shite to watch actually - as RileyBobs says touching on football snobbery

All that what you said we have to stay up first - which we look miles off doing right now.

[Vino blanco]

Having just watched Luton get a draw against Liverpool, I am wondering to myself would their manager want Kolosheo, Amdouni, Odobert, Ramsey, Massinga, Ramsey, Delcroix, O'Shea, Berge or any other of our Summer signings in his starting eleven?

[RVclaret]

Luton 0.9 xG v 3.6 Liverpool. Absolute battering, as a wise man told me when using this data post our Villa defeat. Luton very lucky to get a point.