January transfer window rumours.

[Vegas Claret]

He must have something about him to get a move to Spurs.

Warnock had Spence figured out and he's been proven to be absolutely spot on

[Westleigh]

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[Steddyman]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 30614.html

[Westleigh]

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What should a google to find out how to posts links from other sources.

[Nori1958]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 30614.html

I've read it twice, and still don't know why they sent him back

[Spijed]

He must have something about him to get a move to Spurs.

I used to think that if any player who'd appeared in the first team for a top side must be quite good.

Then we signed Lee Roche and Richard Eckersley from Man U.....

[Westleigh]

I've read it twice, and still don't know why they sent him back

Sounds like he lacks discipline,can’t imagine Leeds being any more specific.

[Roosterbooster]

If the Roberts rumours are true, then we must have someone lined up.

If he goes, we have 1 RB, 1 LB, 3 fit CBs (1 of which is out of favour, and one who had barely played a game)

We'd need a RB and LB as a minimum I'd say

[mkmel]

Some Leeds fans were saying Spence was laziest player they've had.

[bumba]

So Delcroix, O'Shea and Al Dakhil are all better than Beyer this season?

Delcroix hasn't played enough at centre half to be judged but the games he's played centre half he's done better than Beyer. Al Dakhil is on a par with Beyer.
O'Shea has been head and shoulders above Beyer defensively

[CoolClaret]

Delcroix hasn't played enough at centre half to be judged but the games he's played centre half he's done better than Beyer. Al Dakhil is on a par with Beyer.
O'Shea has been head and shoulders above Beyer defensively

Agreed, well bar AAD who really struggled in his appearances bar United. Though was left hung out to dry a bit by VK.

[Anthonini]

Agreed, well bar AAD who really struggled in his appearances bar United. Though was left hung out to dry a bit by VK.

Delcroix has alot more experience than Al Dakhil though. It's normal for young players to have ups and downs. No doubt Al Dakhil will become a great player. He's one of the fastest we have and has a good mentality. Delcroix has to reach his normal level and shake the stage fright off of him soon. Otherwise AD will pass him by again.

His second half against villa he started coaching more. Opening his mouth. Fighting for the ball. That's the Delcroix we need to see. He can actually become a good pair up with O'Shea and Taylor. Hard working humble guys that want to do their job. On the ball he should do more. Playing out from the back was always his strength, he has a good technique, so far I haven't seen much of it though.

[Goliath]

Delcroix has alot more experience than Al Dakhil though. It's normal for young players to have ups and downs. No doubt Al Dakhil will become a great player. He's one of the fastest we have and has a good mentality. Delcroix has to reach his normal level and shake the stage fright off of him soon. Otherwise AD will pass him by again.

His second half against villa he started coaching more. Opening his mouth. Fighting for the ball. That's the Delcroix we need to see. He can actually become a good pair up with O'Shea and Taylor. Hard working humble guys that want to do their job. On the ball he should do more. Playing out from the back was always his strength, he has a good technique, so far I haven't seen much of it though.

You're right he looked absolutely shell shocked to even be on the pitch initially when he came on against Villa.
Should players at this level really be getting stage fright?
Hes playing for Burnley not Man Utd, it doesnt say a lot for his mentality if hes struggling to come in to a run of the mill game.

[CoolClaret]

Delcroix has alot more experience than Al Dakhil though. It's normal for young players to have ups and downs. No doubt Al Dakhil will become a great player. He's one of the fastest we have and has a good mentality. Delcroix has to reach his normal level and shake the stage fright off of him soon. Otherwise AD will pass him by again.

His second half against villa he started coaching more. Opening his mouth. Fighting for the ball. That's the Delcroix we need to see. He can actually become a good pair up with O'Shea and Taylor. Hard working humble guys that want to do their job. On the ball he should do more. Playing out from the back was always his strength, he has a good technique, so far I haven't seen much of it though.

I like Al Dakhil, a lot. Not bashing him at all I think he’s got all the tools required - just need to see more physicality and more of a ‘defend first’ approach to it. Sticking his head in there, not letting the ball bounce etc.

Agreed on Delcroix another that seems to have been scapegoated somewhat. Think he has some tools to be successful but needs minutes - probably why I want to see him and O’Shea continue their partnership tonight.

[KRBFC]

Not sure why Egan-Riley doesn't get a try at right back if he's fit but for me I'd move Beyer to right back he'd be more suited to the role VK wants to play then put a better defender such as Ekdal at centre back

I said I’d play Dara right back when he was having a poor time in the middle.

[Silkyskills1]

O'Shea has been head and shoulders above Beyer defensively

Head and shoulders above? This season? Seem to be mixed messages on here re: O'Shea.

[gandhisflipflop]

Please vinny sign some full backs and a striker. We are not far away at all.

[123EasyasBFC]

Not a rumour but if Henderson is looking for a route back to prem from Saudi then I would be all over that

[Woodleyclaret]

Henderson is long past his best
Liverpool tend to burn out players then sell them on.

[MrTopTier]

Some Leeds fans were saying Spence was laziest player they've had.

When Spence was at Middlesbrough he was loaned to Forest. Warnock was his manager (at Boro) and said that he (Spence) could either play in the Premier League or non league. Depending on Spences attitude.

[bobinho]

I used to think that if any player who'd appeared in the first team for a top side must be quite good.

Then we signed Lee Roche and Richard Eckersley from Man U.....

Utd (and other big clubs) have been doing that for years with players they know aren’t good enough. Their teams are so strong they can live with giving a leg iron a few games in the first team just to get some money in for them. They are basically stealing money from smaller clubs who can ill afford it….

[Woodleyclaret]

Players in form. Szmodics ( hattrick today) and at a club with no money and Morgan Whittaker another goal today.

[MrTopTier]

Not a rumour but if Henderson is looking for a route back to prem from Saudi then I would be all over that

Jordan Henderson jeez.

[elwaclaret]

You're right he looked absolutely shell shocked to even be on the pitch initially when he came on against Villa.
Should players at this level really be getting stage fright?
Hes playing for Burnley not Man Utd, it doesnt say a lot for his mentality if hes struggling to come in to a run of the mill game.

Jaime Holland used to throw up on the pitch before every game with nerves. He’s gone from playing at a level he’s developed into to being bought and placed in a league of mega stars… give the lad a bit of time it’s like a shop assistant moving from Argos to Harrods, it was very unlikely it will come overnight for several of our team. That is the reason so many resisted handwringing early season. I for one don’t expect to see many lambs to the slaughter performances from here; they are growing as a team.

[mkmel]

I remember seeing Jamie Hoyland throwing up on the pitch before the game away at Wycombe.

Stanley Matthews used to do the same.

[Goliath]

https://insidefutbol.com/2024/01/03/nor ... nt/631785/

We are mentioned in this one. Would probably be for the u23's

[123EasyasBFC]

Jordan Henderson jeez.

Met with the same comments as Milner, Dier and Evans in the summer, Henderson would be instantly our best midfielder

[CoolClaret]

Watched a bit of Sunderland against Newcastle today -

Jack Clarke looked extremely ineffective against PL opposition.

Would avoid - totally unnecessary

[johnnyjones]

Met with the same comments as Milner, Dier and Evans in the summer, Henderson would be instantly our best midfielder

Could not agree more

Also seems the Saudi football league dream will be over soon enough seems a few want away, guess this is like a china from a few years ago

[johnnyjones]

I remember seeing Jamie Hoyland throwing up on the pitch before the game away at Wycombe.

He had probably been out the night before

[Vegas Claret]

Watched a bit of Sunderland against Newcastle today -

Jack Clarke looked extremely ineffective against PL opposition.

Would avoid - totally unnecessary

I said the same on the today's football thread, nowhere near the level required

[Quicknick]

I said the same on the today's football thread, nowhere near the level required

I also agree. Avoid. Not good enough.

[Quicknick]

Could not agree more

Also seems the Saudi football league dream will be over soon enough seems a few want away, guess this is like a china from a few years ago

Also, there isn't much fun to be had in Saudi.

[scamander]

Young players from established teams is always tricky, Mee and Trips as good examples of players who shone albeit it took time (I remember Mee's best position being heavily debated in his early tenure with us).

I think we had Whittingham early on who didn't do well but he went on to be a fantastic Championship player. Some younger players need a couple of seasons before they come good which is why the big teams are happy for them to get that experience elsewhere with none of the downside. They can either sell at a profit or have a much better player. Finding the young player who is able to thrive when young (at a high level) is the jackpot.

[jrgbfc]

I know footballers generally aren't the brightest but surely Henderson had some idea what moving to Saudi would be like?

[mkmel]

He was blinded by the money

[dandeclaret]

Is there any club we have a worse record of signing promising youngsters from than Villa?

Gary Cahill is on the positive side

Whittingham
Alan Lee
Delfouneso

All on the negative side

Ramsey tbc

Sure there’s others I’ve missed as well….

[ArmchairDetective]

Not a rumour but if Henderson is looking for a route back to prem from Saudi then I would be all over that

We could do a lot worse than Jordan Henderson. Wages will be way out of our league though surely.

[Big Vinny K]

Is there any club we have a worse record of signing promising youngsters from than Villa?

Gary Cahill is on the positive side

Whittingham
Alan Lee
Delfouneso

All on the negative side

Ramsey tbc

Sure there’s others I’ve missed as well….

Man United ?
Roche, Eckerskey, others

O Kane was a United youngster too but he went to Everton initially (for around £800k from memory) and then we signed him from Everton I think. He was one oF THE worst players I have ever seen pull on a burnley shirt !!

On the plus side we signed Dwight from there.


Tbh it’s quite a hard subject to think of as we don’t seem to have signed many youngsters up until recently. And even when we were signing them i find it hard to remember now in a lot of the cases who we signed them from. If they come from a big club like United, Chelsea etc you tend to remember them more as the expectation they will be decent will be higher (or if used to be)

[jojomk1]

We could do a lot worse than Jordan Henderson. Wages will be way out of our league though surely.

Would imagine Henderson going to a bigger club than us - move on

[Ampth7]

Players in form. Szmodics ( hattrick today) and at a club with no money and Morgan Whittaker another goal today.

Yes, the Whittaker one interests me having seen him score a good number of goals playing for a poor Championship side.

Doubt he would be able to step up to the prem yet, but he could be just what we need next season back in the Championship.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Watched a bit of Sunderland against Newcastle today -

Jack Clarke looked extremely ineffective against PL opposition.

Would avoid - totally unnecessary

I would also avoid Clarke for that money (may be good in time at this level, so there is a certain price that is value but not £15m+).

It shows how our signings some ridicule would look at the level below - personally I beleve Tresor, Amdouni, Odobert, Koleosho are all better players than Clarke at this point in time. Some established PL players don’t score for months (Maupay etc) so we have to bear that in mind when our players miss a chance. Left wing we’re sorted for, and arguably number 10 unless we can find a brilliant loan for someone who is proven in this league.

So if there is a real need up front I would say it is right wing in the Townsend style (!!) or a new Wood / Vokes style player to have as a plan B because we lack that with Jay ageing. Right back remains my top priority though.

[pushpinpussy]

Watched a bit of Sunderland against Newcastle today -

Jack Clarke looked extremely ineffective against PL opposition.

Would avoid - totally unnecessary

That's it. Write him off after one poor performance against very good opposition. What is it with our fans. Deluded. I'm sure even Kylian Mbappé has a bad day at the office.

[Westleigh]

Yes, the Whittaker one interests me having seen him score a good number of goals playing for a poor Championship side.

Doubt he would be able to step up to the prem yet, but he could be just what we need next season back in the Championship.

Apparently going to Luton for £4 million.

[warksclaret]

Is there any club we have a worse record of signing promising youngsters from than Villa?

Gary Cahill is on the positive side

Whittingham
Alan Lee
Delfouneso

All on the negative side

Ramsey tbc

Sure there’s others I’ve missed as well….

Lowton & Westwood being two

[elwaclaret]

Is there any club we have a worse record of signing promising youngsters from than Villa?

Gary Cahill is on the positive side

Whittingham
Alan Lee
Delfouneso

All on the negative side

Ramsey tbc

Sure there’s others I’ve missed as well….

I find the Alan Lee inclusion a little disingenuous, he had a decent career after he left us with Rotherham, Ipswich and Crystal Palace, and Peter Whittingham was very unfortunate with a bad injury just as his star was on the rise. For me both these players needed more time than we could afford to give them.

[quoonbeatz]

Both were shite for us though, which was the point.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Apparently DJed Spence has been transfer listed

[elwaclaret]

Both were shite for us though, which was the point.

No I think the point is very much the same: it was not that they were bad players just never given the time they needed to come good, Alan Lee was improving and I remember thinking ‘too soon’ when we binned him. Whittingham was only a two month loan if memory serves.

[quoonbeatz]

No I think the point is very much the same: it was not that they were bad players just never given the time they needed to come good, Alan Lee was improving and I remember thinking ‘too soon’ when we binned him. Whittingham was only a two month loan if memory serves.

The point was about our record of signing players from villa. Neither of them worked out, whatever the reason, whilst they were with us. What they did after is irrelevant. Agreed though, I thought there was a decent player in both of them whilst they were here, Lee moreso than Whittingham. Neither was great for us though.