It's not my decision.
Just there's a good chance this game could be one too many for the fanbase, if it's another home loss. Especially to a team we feel we should beat.
It's not my decision.
Maybe should of thought about that in the summer
this certainly wont be the view from me or anyone around me in the stands, in fact I think everyone I sit near and speak to are fully supportive of VK and what he is trying to achieve. I'd even go as far as saying the naysayers* near me have even acknowledged that the improvements of late have been "unexpected" in their view and VK is doing well.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:00 pmIt's not my decision.
Just there's a good chance this game could be one too many for the fanbase, if it's another home loss. Especially to a team we feel we should beat.
That comment makes the summer window seem even stranger
That's good to hear.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:57 pmthis certainly wont be the view from me or anyone around me in the stands, in fact I think everyone I sit near and speak to are fully supportive of VK and what he is trying to achieve. I'd even go as far as saying the naysayers* near me have even acknowledged that the improvements of late have been "unexpected" in their view and VK is doing well.
*naysayers meaning those who don't usually have anything positive to contribute and are usually the type who say sack the manager if a throw goes against us
Love this.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:57 pmthis certainly wont be the view from me or anyone around me in the stands, in fact I think everyone I sit near and speak to are fully supportive of VK and what he is trying to achieve. I'd even go as far as saying the naysayers* near me have even acknowledged that the improvements of late have been "unexpected" in their view and VK is doing well.
*naysayers meaning those who don't usually have anything positive to contribute and are usually the type who say sack the manager if a throw goes against us
I love a bit of positivity but comments like “VK is doing well is nothing short of delusion”. We are effectively relegated in January if we lose tomorrow.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:57 pmthis certainly wont be the view from me or anyone around me in the stands, in fact I think everyone I sit near and speak to are fully supportive of VK and what he is trying to achieve. I'd even go as far as saying the naysayers* near me have even acknowledged that the improvements of late have been "unexpected" in their view and VK is doing well.
*naysayers meaning those who don't usually have anything positive to contribute and are usually the type who say sack the manager if a throw goes against us
Does it feel good to be so negative all the time?? If you can't see the process that this club is going on, maybe it's time you started following The Arab Toon?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:27 pmI love a bit of positivity but comments like “VK is doing well is nothing short of delusion”. We are effectively relegated in January if we lose tomorrow.
Can he turn things around, yes potentially (I think it depends who he brings in this window). But right now I think it’s pretty fair to say VK has been nothing short of failure in the prem.
Although I do think performances have improved with a change in shape. (Still a long way to go mind).
Can't understand the obsession with a goal scorer, we could have Salah, but if you don't supply him, or leave him 1 against 5 in the box, he ain't going to score.warksclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 2:21 pmTHats encouraging from VK. Lets hope we are getting a proper striker as one of these. With the inevitable mistakes in defence and midfield which is leading to goals, a striker who knows where the net is, is going to be critical in gaining points. WE also need an insurance plan should Foster's issues resurface in the second half of the season
It really does, which is very many intelligent comments, this one is very strangeNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:21 pmThat comment makes the summer window seem even stranger
But zeki gets chances, misses them a plenty.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:39 pmCan't understand the obsession with a goal scorer, we could have Salah, but if you don't supply him, or leave him 1 against 5 in the box, he ain't going to score.
Too often Zeki is playing without Foster, he needs a target man alongside him.
Foster often has to go too deep looking for the ball.
Among our many shortcomings this season is transition. We are far too slow in getting the ball forward, which is why we get caught in possession so often.
We do need cover if Foster is likely to be absent again, but it isn't desperate.
I agree with regards to Amdouni, I think getting closer to a target man would get more from him, but Foster won't be dropped as he's our best striker.Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:39 pmCan't understand the obsession with a goal scorer, we could have Salah, but if you don't supply him, or leave him 1 against 5 in the box, he ain't going to score.
Too often Zeki is playing without Foster, he needs a target man alongside him.
Foster often has to go too deep looking for the ball.
Among our many shortcomings this season is transition. We are far too slow in getting the ball forward, which is why we get caught in possession so often.
We do need cover if Foster is likely to be absent again, but it isn't desperate.
Not to be overly critical but he's not telling the truth regards to the investment being mainly spent on replacing the loanees.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:23 pmKompany: Burnley must manage transfer expectations
Vincent Kompany is keen to strengthen his squad during January but admitted he must be realistic about the sort of deals Burnley might be able to do.
The Clarets go into Friday's match against fellow strugglers Luton sitting 19th in the Premier League and five points adrift of safety.
"I'll be honest, there's a big chance we do some strengthening in a couple of positions," Kompany said. "But I want to manage expectations in terms of what we can do at this moment in time.
"It will be difficult to bring in the real, immediate game-changers but I think we can always use a little bit of extra strength just in case something happens, players we think can help us."
Burnley spent big in the summer after earning promotion as champions, with an emphasis on signing young players with growth potential.
But Kompany has been keen to point out that much of that investment was spent on replacing players who had been at the club on loan.
Asked what funds were available this month, Kompany said: "It always depends if someone goes out, or if there's a deal to be done that is a deal that we should do. The truth is, it depends.
"What we can't do is something ludicrous. We have to do something with a really clear purpose."
They weren't the only loans though, and apart from Maatsen they were replaced, whether those players have come off as yet is a separate argument. Bayer was also loan which cost money to make permanentboyyanno wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:29 pmNot to be overly critical but he's not telling the truth regards to the investment being mainly spent on replacing the loanees.
Half of the annoyance about our summer business is that we didn't replace them. Maatsen, Tella or THB.
I'd rather him acknowledge that the balance was wrong in the summer as oppose to try and pull the wool over people's eyes.
They weren't the only loans no. But it still doesn't change the fact that what he's said isn't accurate. The point I'm making is that we did not spent the majority of our budget replacing the loanees- that's just not true.
I'd say Tresor and Amdouni were meant to beboyyanno wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:39 pmThey weren't the only loans no. But it still doesn't change the fact that what he's said isn't accurate. The point I'm making is that we did not spent the majority of our budget replacing the loanees- that's just not true.
Unless you think Obefami, Beyer, Koleosho and O'Shea cost the majority of our budget then what he said can't be true. They're the only ones we've signed/replaced in terms of the previous loanees aren't they?
The majority of our budget (from what I can see) was spent on:
Trafford
Tresor
Ramsey
Amdouni
None of them replace any of the loans do they?
The obsession in having a goal scorer is because apart from Foster we don't have one, and we all know how all clarets are sweating about his availability between now and May. If Amdouini was a genuine goal scorer we would still be in the FA cup, and he has missed numerous chances this season. Our strikers compared to other PL teams, and I include Luton and Sheff Utd in this, are miles behind the required level for survival. We are creating chances but our finishing is poor, and we have a huge resistance to shooting. The sum of our strikers is:Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:39 pmCan't understand the obsession with a goal scorer, we could have Salah, but if you don't supply him, or leave him 1 against 5 in the box, he ain't going to score.
Too often Zeki is playing without Foster, he needs a target man alongside him.
Foster often has to go too deep looking for the ball.
Among our many shortcomings this season is transition. We are far too slow in getting the ball forward, which is why we get caught in possession so often.
We do need cover if Foster is likely to be absent again, but it isn't desperate.
For who?
I have a number of issues with this, but the first and most obvious one is that you're asking a hell of a lot to expect a club like us to have two Premier league "goalscorers". I think if you look round the division you'd find that hardly any of them have what you're asking for. You say it's way shorter than teams like Sheff United- yes, I'd much rather have McBurnie and Brewsterwarksclaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:57 pmThe obsession in having a goal scorer is because apart from Foster we don't have one, and we all know how all clarets are sweating about his availability between now and May. If Amdouini was a genuine goal scorer we would still be in the FA cup, and he has missed numerous chances this season. Our strikers compared to other PL teams, and I include Luton and Sheff Utd in this, are miles behind the required level for survival. We are creating chances but our finishing is poor, and we have a huge resistance to shooting. The sum of our strikers is:
Foster-a revelation this season , but will he be fit all games. When not available we are half the team as he offers so much
Amdouini-gets a great chance just about every game but I think he has scored a sum of 3 league goals
Rodriguez-I think we can all see he is finished in the PL. Took his hardest chance v the worst team in the PL, and also a penalty, but a good goal scorer having had his chances this season could be on 6 or 7 goals plus
Obefemi-is he still on our books ?. Played around 30 minutes all season. I know he was recovering from injury until October but he has played for the U-21,s, been on the bench a number of times since his return, but looks like VK will not even pick him as a sub now, and countless times we have been behind since October, chasing the game, and all we do is bring a wide man on
Thats the sum of our strikers and you state you cant see the obsession in wanting one ??
Not particularly like for like, but Tresor or Amdouni as forwards to replace tellas goals and assists.... And their history suggested they wouldboyyanno wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:01 pmFor who?
Tresor you could maybe argue was bought for Tella's position, but it's Koleosho/Odebert who have replaced that position. Amdouni didn't replace any loan position we had.
I see it like this:
Loanees:
Tella
Maatsen
Beyer
THB
Dervisoglu (however you spell it)
Koleosho has replaced Tella
No one has replaced Maatsen
Beyer was signed permanently
O'Shea has replaced THB
No one has replaced Dervisoglu (although maybe Foster did last year)
I'd find it very hard to say that accounts for the majority of our spend in the summer. I'd have found it more refreshing to hear him say that we didn't quite get the balance right but it's a lesson we've learned from- rather than (in my opinion) stretching the truth a little bit.
Of course there was no point replacing him. What's your point?boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:12 pmThere was no point in replacing Dervisoglu was there?
And is the cost per player the only criterion for calling them replacements? Koleosho is no more a replacement for Tella than Oderbert is. I'd say Amdouni or Tresor much more likely.
To some extent I can accept what you're saying, and I appreciate you responding. If you consider what we replaced to be "goals and assists" you could maybe argue that combined a few of these players could have replaced the loanees in different ways than just personal.
I guess I'd use the lump sum divided by the number of incomings, so average cost per new signing.boyyanno wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:27 pmOf course there was no point replacing him. What's your point?
Firstly, I've been clear and respectful in what I've said, if you look at who I've included it's quite clear that they are the direct replacements in the team, so please don't suggest I've used cost per player to prove my point. If I was doing so I'd have said Delcroix instead of O'Shea seenashow he cost a lot less.
Out of interest what metric would you use? It seems I've used the only logical one.
Secondly, you can swap Tresor with Tella if you want, but my point would remain the same, I don't think it accounts for the majority of our budget.
If you disagree that's fine, but can you tell/show me why?
I doubt very much that they will come in the first half of the month!
You conveniently fail to mention the developing and young Cameron Archer of Sheff Utd, who I recently saw absolutely torment the Villa defence. I am not a big fan of McBurnie but he is an awkward player to play against, just like Ashley Barnes was for us, and sometimes these type of players can worry top defenders. Mc Burnie by the way has the same number of goals as Foster tis season. Brewster has been a huge flop. WE were supposedly in for Archer when VK joined and I think alongside Foster could have formed quite a strike forceboyyanno wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:17 pmI have a number of issues with this, but the first and most obvious one is that you're asking a hell of a lot to expect a club like us to have two Premier league "goalscorers". I think if you look round the division you'd find that hardly any of them have what you're asking for. You say it's way shorter than teams like Sheff United- yes, I'd much rather have McBurnie and Brewster
Amdouni has missed a couple of big chances, but I don't think it's accurate to say he's missing a big chance every game. I'm sure someone else will be able to find out how he's doing against his XG but I'd be amazed if it was anything like what you're suggesting. As I've said above I think he'd actually do better with a target man so that he can get closer to the edge of the box, pick up some knockdowns and make things happen further forward. To me he looks like a player that could do with being a bit closer to the box so that when he gets a chance to affect things it's not after he's already travelled 20-30 yards. It's part of the reason I feel he's better suited to a team that dominates opponents more.
Rodriguez offers somthing slightly different- but yes could do with a better sub
Obefami- Who knows.
Foster is the main man though, and while we have someone of his strength in a position, with some back ups (however poor you think they are), I'd much rather see us strengthen other positions, I:E fullbacks, to allow this team to transition better and ultimately help us to create more chances that we can score from- be it strikers or midfielders/wingers.
So I'd still agree with him that I don't see the obsession either. We do need a striker at some point, but it's not priority for me.
Yes having listened the quote about wanting premier league ready players has been blown out of proportion. He said it along with players who can affect the squad now and perform in this league, it defo wasn’t a dig at the players signed in the summerJakubs Tash wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:19 pmReading this thread, I think it would a good idea for most of the people that have commented on VK’s press conference quotes from today to actually listen to the press conference for context.
I think he did.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:34 pmExpect incomings at Burnley
Burnley boss Vincent Kompany:
"There is a big chance we do something and strengthen in a couple of positions.
"I just want players that are good enough for the Premier League. You have to have players who can play at this level."
Just a pity he didn't follow this mantra with the summer transfer policy instead of getting in so many young inexperienced guys - getting a bit late to realise that now
Just read this but see my take below. If you’re reading the words written and haven’t listened to the specific question he was answering then you need to go & listen to it.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:43 pmYes having listened the quote about wanting premier league ready players has been blown out of proportion. He said it along with players who can affect the squad now and perform in this league, it defo wasn’t a dig at the players signed in the summer
My take on this is we’ll be signing players like Pape Gueye - players we think will strengthen us but no world beaters. None that come straight in to the team and massively improve us.jojomk1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:23 pmKompany: Burnley must manage transfer expectations
Vincent Kompany is keen to strengthen his squad during January but admitted he must be realistic about the sort of deals Burnley might be able to do.
The Clarets go into Friday's match against fellow strugglers Luton sitting 19th in the Premier League and five points adrift of safety.
"I'll be honest, there's a big chance we do some strengthening in a couple of positions," Kompany said. "But I want to manage expectations in terms of what we can do at this moment in time.
"It will be difficult to bring in the real, immediate game-changers but I think we can always use a little bit of extra strength just in case something happens, players we think can help us."
Burnley spent big in the summer after earning promotion as champions, with an emphasis on signing young players with growth potential.
But Kompany has been keen to point out that much of that investment was spent on replacing players who had been at the club on loan.
Asked what funds were available this month, Kompany said: "It always depends if someone goes out, or if there's a deal to be done that is a deal that we should do. The truth is, it depends.
"What we can't do is something ludicrous. We have to do something with a really clear purpose."
I don't think anyone believes VK is having a dig at the summer signings - he made those signings so he is not going to call them out, and rightly so123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 8:43 pmYes having listened the quote about wanting premier league ready players has been blown out of proportion. He said it along with players who can affect the squad now and perform in this league, it defo wasn’t a dig at the players signed in the summer
Did you not just read what I put, I said having listened his comments have been blown out of proportion and it certainly wasn’t a dig at the signings he made this summerNewClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:10 pmJust read this but see my take below. If you’re reading the words written and haven’t listened to the specific question he was answering then you need to go & listen to it.
He was saying he didn’t care what age players were as long as they were capable of playing at this level. And he’ll think all the signings he made in summer are just that.
I read that as meaning ludicrous like top end or wannabe PL clubs spend. No chance of £25-50 million being spent on 1 player, unless, possibly, e manage to bring in that much. I believe we have maybe another £20million in total available in case one of those deals that must be done comes up.
Why would you bother signing anyone if they don’t improve the first 22boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:27 pmBasically not signing any players who will not improve the first 22? That's how I read it.
Foster has a potential injury and the phasing him back in, he may need a break again (I really hope he doesn’t) but I agree they must have reassurances that he’s going to play if he comes on loanNewcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:33 pmHe’s certainly got potential that lad. Strange signing as you would imagine Chelsea would only loan him to us for the rest of the season if he’s a certain starter.
I guess he could be brought in to partner Foster?
Well, he could look to signing players for the future. I think he would like a couple of signings who would go very quickly into the starting 11, but not stop-gaps, hence strengthening the match-day squad.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:31 pmWhy would you bother signing anyone if they don’t improve the first 22
You would imagine though that foster will play the majority of the remaining games.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 9:35 pmFoster has a potential injury and the phasing him back in, he may need a break again (I really hope he doesn’t) but I agree they must have reassurances that he’s going to play if he comes on loan