January transfer window rumours.

[NewClaret]

By this argument to twine isn’t a loss because he played a part in us getting back to the prem leading to higher revenue streams

[CoolClaret]

You wasn’t highlighting anything ‘So let me get this right -

The first signing of this new revolutionary 'model' is gonna go for a loss?

I thought every single player we were gonna sign was magically gonna get flipped for profit?! Almost like it's not that easy eh - who'd have thought it’

Is you clearly trying to sarcastic, you said you know the club isn’t going to make money in every playing but your statement says you thought every player was.

You don’t like the ownership and model and we all know you don’t but if we lose 1.5m or whatever on twine that isn’t an example on the model not working when we already made around 3m on cornet and 4m on Collins. McNeil wasn’t a new ownership singing but still made 20m profit on him, 8m profit on pope

You're massively missing my point.

Cornet / Collins wasn't VK and 'the new model' so not included.

My point was it's symbolic that the first signing under VK / 'the new model' could well be a loss.

My argument is that players should be signed with the view to build a team first, and we should hope to have them here for 4/5/6 years, if an offer comes in that is too good to turn down then accept it and re-invest.

Constantly speculating on players in the hopes to flip them after a year or two is daft and isn't conducive to building a proper football team.

[NewClaret]

it's a loan deal apparently

In that case I’m really happy with this and even moreso if he’s working with the manager that developed him at MK Dons. Also will be good for him to be nearer home.

If we work on the basis that in the Prem there will always be the possibility of relegation looming, and when that happens we’ll likely lose 4-5 of our better players, having a similar number out on loan getting good Championship experience is a great way to mitigate the risks of relegation even if some of them will only every be very good Championship players.

I hear what people are saying about Twine’s ability to step up to the Prem. I agree he isn’t the fastest and a bit lightweight (although looked to have built up massively when I saw him), but still think there’s a very good player in there that could be a real asset to us next year.

[123EasyasBFC]

You're massively missing my point.

Cornet / Collins wasn't VK and 'the new model' so not included.

My point was it's symbolic that the first signing under VK / 'the new model' could well be a loss.

My argument is that players should be signed with the view to build a team first, and we should hope to have them here for 4/5/6 years, if an offer comes in that is too good to turn down then accept it and re-invest.

Constantly speculating on players in the hopes to flip them after a year or two is daft and isn't conducive to building a proper football team.

Hang on it’s Kompanys model now not the ownership. We signed 27 players in 2 seasons they I are allowed a few that don’t succeed, and by your own argument twine part of the team that got us up so has generated us more money.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Whatever the reported fee for Twine wether it be £4m or not - will be the absolute top figure it could reach if all bonuses and add ins are met. This could include promotion , goals scored, appearances, etc etc . I doubt this has been reached and if we did sell him then it’d probably be a good move regarding FFP given what we are seeing recently we have to make some sales cleary

[StayingDown4Ever]

He's 100% Not going Bristol

And you are 100% full of pony

[123EasyasBFC]

Gueye scored for Senegal tonight, get him in hahaha

[Anthonini]

Any rumours about a decent leftback so far?

[taio]

He's 100% Not going Bristol

Good call

[CharlieinNewMexico]

So let me get this right -

The first signing of this new revolutionary 'model' is gonna go for a loss?

I thought every single player we were gonna sign was magically gonna get flipped for profit?! Almost like it's not that easy eh - who'd have thought it

Bristol City paying a loan fee. Making money already

[FeedTheArf]

I think the plan to loan Twine out again is fine. He's got plenty of time on his contract. If he gets 5 or 6 goals, a couple of eye-catching free kicks to get him some headlines, it's probably enough to at least make our money back on him.

In fact, I'm confident that when we come to sell all the players that we bought last season, whenever that may be, we'll turn a more than sizeable profit.

It's the players bought this season that are the issue. Koleosho has probably shown enough for clubs to be interested, Odobert at a push if he continues like he has done. We'll probably get our money back on Berge, but other than that I think most would be a loss as it stands.

[gandhisflipflop]

Any rumours about a decent leftback so far?

This is what I keep looking on here to see. I’m taking solice in the fact that we have no game now until 31st Jan, so plenty of time to sort something out, or at least I’m hoping so.

[Big Vinny K]

You're massively missing my point.

Cornet / Collins wasn't VK and 'the new model' so not included.

My point was it's symbolic that the first signing under VK / 'the new model' could well be a loss.

My argument is that players should be signed with the view to build a team first, and we should hope to have them here for 4/5/6 years, if an offer comes in that is too good to turn down then accept it and re-invest.

Constantly speculating on players in the hopes to flip them after a year or two is daft and isn't conducive to building a proper football team.

The only one massively missing the point is you.

Rather than spend so long posting thesis after thesis the second anything happens why don’t you just try and relax for a few days and take this for what it is. Twine has simply gone to another club on loan.

It ain’t Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky (though it does feel like it trying to read this board some days)

[Nori1958]

I think the plan to loan Twine out again is fine. He's got plenty of time on his contract. If he gets 5 or 6 goals, a couple of eye-catching free kicks to get him some headlines, it's probably enough to at least make our money back on him.

In fact, I'm confident that when we come to sell all the players that we bought last season, whenever that may be, we'll turn a more than sizeable profit.

It's the players bought this season that are the issue. Koleosho has probably shown enough for clubs to be interested, Odobert at a push if he continues like he has done. We'll probably get our money back on Berge, but other than that I think most would be a loss as it stands.

I think O'Shea has shown enough to make a profit, same with amdouni, not massive profits but a bit.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I think O'Shea has shown enough to make a profit, same with amdouni, not massive profits but a bit.

I’m not sure on either, I think decent profit to be made on Foster, Odobert and Koleosho.

Sadly I don’t think anyone else would go for what we paid. They just haven’t produced enough.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Profits already to be made on :
Odobert
Koleosho
Foster
Amdouni - albeit needs a few more rounded performances before season end and 4/5 more goals for me.
Trafford - probably by season end but needs another season.

Which brings my point, some players take more than half a season to produce, which is what it takes usually to make them more valuable. There are definite signs of promise from most.

[KRBFC]

I’m not sure on either, I think decent profit to be made on Foster, Odobert and Koleosho.

Sadly I don’t think anyone else would go for what we paid. They just haven’t produced enough.

Well that’s just absolute negative horse shite ain’t it? Typical of you. Al Dakhil, Benson, Vitinho, Zaroury, Cullen to name a few who’s market value has increased.



Why don’t you just go and support Newcastle if everything about BFC is so bad? Since the moment you signed up to this place you haven’t supported anything. You have hated and slagged off every manager, almost every player.

[KRBFC]

I wish we’d start winning every week so you would not post at all. I’m convinced you’re signed up to various club forums and posting the same crap about numerous clubs to get a response.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I wish we’d start winning every week so you would not post at all. I’m convinced you’re signed up to various club forums and posting the same crap about numerous clubs to get a response.

He is probably on their forum too complaining they are out of Europe, gone backwards in the league this season after finishing 4th and won't win a cup. They have gone backwards under Howe and the new owners

[Westleigh]

Profits already to be made on :
Odobert
Koleosho
Foster
Amdouni - albeit needs a few more rounded performances before season end and 4/5 more goals for me.
Trafford - probably by season end but needs another season.

Which brings my point, some players take more than half a season to produce, which is what it takes usually to make them more valuable. There are definite signs of promise from most.

Can’t imagine they’ll be bids for Koleosho until he’s proven his fitness ,and that might not be this season.

[RVclaret]

Its an interesting discussion - not sure if anyone knows a player called Hamed Traore? Signed for Bournemouth last January for a reported £20-25m from Sassuolo. He’s a young attacking midfielder, similar profile to Ramsey actually. Barely played. Not even featured under the new coach either. From what I’ve read Bournemouth fans saw something but not nearly enough. Anyway, he’s moving to Napoli(!!) right now (loan initially) for the same fee Bournemouth paid for him.

[taio]

Can’t imagine they’ll be bids for Koleosho until he’s proven his fitness ,and that might not be this season.

That's fine - we don't want bids yet

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well that’s just absolute negative horse shite ain’t it? Typical of you. Al Dakhil, Benson, Vitinho, Zaroury, Cullen to name a few who’s market value has increased.



Why don’t you just go and support Newcastle if everything about BFC is so bad? Since the moment you signed up to this place you haven’t supported anything. You have hated and slagged off every manager, almost every player.

Tbf I was talking about players we signed this window. Not last years lot. But regardless last seasons lot will go for profit but I don’t think they will out weigh the losses we will make on signings this year.

Haha calm down, you’re the biggest hypocrite on here. We all know for an absolute fact if Dyche had produced this shite this season you would be the number 1 poster asking for him to leave

[Newcastleclaret93]

He is probably on their forum too complaining they are out of Europe, gone backwards in the league this season after finishing 4th and won't win a cup. They have gone backwards under Howe and the new owners

Oh the irony, the guys that used to call out KrBFC now on the same side haha.

I should probably go on there, contribute nothing an just complain about other posters. That seems to be the cool thing to do

[Ric_C]

Chelsea reportedly bidding £73 million for Gyokeres

Here's what you could have won

[taio]

Chelsea reportedly bidding £73 million for Gyokeres

Here's what you could have won

Wouldn't have been good enough for us...according to those on here who know nothing

[Rick_Muller]

Wouldn't have been good enough for us...according to those on here who know nothing

had we got him, I guarantee Chelsea wouldn't be bidding £73M for him now for various reasons, and I dont think we'd be any better off with him instead of Lyle (who is one of our best players this season).

[taio]

had we got him, I guarantee Chelsea wouldn't be bidding £73M for him now for various reasons, and I dont think we'd be any better off with him instead of Lyle (who is one of our best players this season).

We signed Foster a year ago.

[Big Vinny K]

Would be interesting to see the Gyokeres thread from last summer and look back at the comments.

Personally thought against us last year he was a real handful and led the line really well.

Surprised Coventry are doing so well again this season with the players they have lost. They have O Hare back and playing well but can’t see they have spent much of the £30m they got in for Gyokeres and Hamer on new players. They lost McNally too.

Robins definitely seems to get the best out of his teams.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Wouldn't have been good enough for us...according to those on here who know nothing

Didn’t the press come out and say we weren’t ever after him? Because he was too expensive?

[taio]

Didn’t the press come out and say we weren’t ever after him? Because he was too expensive?

Possibly. But doesn't alter the fact that some people said he wasn't good enough for us when we were linked.

[Swizzlestick]

https://uptheclarets.com/messageboard/v ... s&start=50

[Swizzlestick]

FWIW re Gyokeres, I'm sure I read he turned down West Ham, so I don't think we had any real chance with that one anyway, even if we did put a bid in.

[Jakubs Tash]

Strange breed are Burnley fans (or maybe it’s just football fans in general). Always doing their own players down and what you might get for them if they were to be sold. I don’t think there’s many at all in our squad that we won’t make a profit on that have been bought in the last 18 months.

Amdouni, for example, was about to sign for Lazio before he joined us. He’s now had a years experience in the PL (the supposed best/hardest league in the world) and he’s still young and developing. He’ll have interest; no doubt.

As underwhelming as Tresor has been, he’s still 24/25 and he still has the assist/gola record on his cv from last season and has a very good reputation in the game. He’s probably better suited to another country/league hardly a busted flush.

We were the ones to take a risk on Odobert at 18 from a relegated Troyes team. Now he’s playing and being an exciting attacking winger in the Premier League and has just turned 19. Do people really think we’d only get £16-20m for him? Not a chance.

James Trafford, whether you like him or not, is a 21 year old goalkeeper with a big reputation already. He’s been linked with bigger clubs already this season. Do people seriously think we’d sell him on the cheap?

I’ve only mentioned 4 - there are more. But whilst our recruitment has meant we didn’t quite get it right for results on the pitch this season, we certainly signed some players where we will make profits.

[kentonclaret]

Would be interesting to see the Gyokeres thread from last summer and look back at the comments.

Personally thought against us last year he was a real handful and led the line really well.

Surprised Coventry are doing so well again this season with the players they have lost. They have O Hare back and playing well but can’t see they have spent much of the £30m they got in for Gyokeres and Hamer on new players. They lost McNally too.

Robins definitely seems to get the best out of his teams.

Coventry City may not have bet the ranch but they seem to have invested in new recruits very wisely. Aside from Callum O’Haire, two players who really stood out in their victory over Leicester were Milan Von Ewijk and Tatsuhiro Sakamoto who arrived for relatively small fees.

[Rick_Muller]

We signed Foster a year ago.

not relevant to whether we would have got £73M for Gyokeres from Chelsea - I was just saying that IF we had got him, he wouldn't have turned in a massive profit like he has. I also dont think he is better than Lyle (hence my reference in the first instance)

[FeedTheArf]

Chelsea reportedly bidding £73 million for Gyokeres

Here's what you could have won

Just when you think our transfer business has been poor, Chelsea come along to remind you they've spunked a billion quid down the drain!

[taio]

not relevant to whether we would have got £73M for Gyokeres from Chelsea - I was just saying that IF we had got him, he wouldn't have turned in a massive profit like he has. I also dont think he is better than Lyle (hence my reference in the first instance)

I didn't say we'd get £73m for him. I was saying he'd be good enough for our squad.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Oh the irony, the guys that used to call out KrBFC now on the same side haha.

I should probably go on there, contribute nothing an just complain about other posters. That seems to be the cool thing to do

I don't take sides kid I just comment on what I see. As for calling him out in the past I have done yes when he said things on here he shouldn't have.

He has openly admitted he has said things previously but now he is a bit older he has changed his views and comments. Maybe there is hope for you growing up one day I guess.

[RVclaret]

Coventry City may not have bet the ranch but they seem to have invested in new recruits very wisely. Aside from Callum O’Haire, two players who really stood out in their victory over Leicester were Milan Von Ewijk and Tatsuhiro Sakamoto who arrived for relatively small fees.

Agree there - Von Ewijk looks excellent and incidentally just what we need at right back.

[Rick_Muller]

I didn't say we'd get £73m for him. I was saying he'd be good enough for our squad.

I agree!

[Newcastleclaret93]

I don't take sides kid I just comment on what I see. As for calling him out in the past I have done yes when he said things on here he shouldn't have.

He has openly admitted he has said things previously but now he is a bit older he has changed his views and comments. Maybe there is hope for you growing up one day I guess.

I’m not even talking about his in appropriate comments, I’m purely referring to his slagging off of Dyche and now his vehement defending of VK who has performed considerably worse

[Les latcham fan club]

Just another 20 pages that highlights the infighting on this site. I just hope there is some transfer news before the window closes as we need a left back at least.

[Goody1975]

There have been a few young talents who didn't quite hit the mark initially but came good.

Three examples:-

de Bruyne
Salah
Lukaku

[Tricky Trevor]

There have been a few young talents who didn't quite hit the mark initially but came good.

Three examples:-

de Bruyne
Salah
Lukaku

And all binned from Chelsea. Does anybody ever improve their? They all seem to come good on loan or after being sold.

[Rick_Muller]

There have been a few young talents who didn't quite hit the mark initially but came good.

Three examples:-

de Bruyne
Salah
Lukaku

there's a common theme with those players as to why they didn't come good when younger - they didn't get a chance at Chelsea

[Goody1975]

there's a common theme with those players as to why they didn't come good when younger - they didn't get a chance at Chelsea

Yes but my point is, young players need time. If we have the same patience with our youngsters that Chelsea had with theirs then it will inevitably end up with the same result.

[Big Vinny K]

there's a common theme with those players as to why they didn't come good when younger - they didn't get a chance at Chelsea

There is a common theme you are correct - but that theme is the legend in his own special mind….Jose.

I do agree with you that some clubs are very impatient though and don’t give young players enough of a chance. Ironically at Chelsea now they are starting to play some of their young players they were quick to loan out - Broja, Gallagher, Colwill etc all starting now and of course Palmer who was someone else’s young player that they had no room for. Only problem with Chelsea is that they still decide to spend hundreds of millions on players not as good as what they already have coming through.

[jrgbfc]

Rumours doing the rounds that Chelsea have bid 70 odd million for Gyokeres. Lisbon have rejected it.

[whiffa]

Rumours doing the rounds that Chelsea have bid 70 odd million for Gyokeres. Lisbon have rejected it.