January transfer window rumours.

[PWBFC]

That's Enock Agyei isn't it?

[Hedontplayforyou]

To appease fans and/or try drive the price up I’d imagine if true regarding the Montpellier lad

[Hedontplayforyou]

That's Enock Agyei isn't it?

Yes

[dougcollins]

https://www.teamtalk.com/burnley/claret ... ampionship

I thought at the time, strange buy.

[Quickenthetempo]

Just my view, but I think in January he was preparing for two scenarios as best we could - promotion and staying in the division and I think he saw Obafemi as a good option for this year had we not gone up, given Barnes and Dervisoglu were not going to be here.

On 29th Jan when Obafemi signed, we were 17 points clear of 3rd (with a game in hand) with 17 games to go.

He was signed as an investment, thinking we could sell him for more than 2.5m at a later date. They thought it was cheap and took advantage of his fall out with Swansea.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Reports in a French paper that Montpellier don’t want to sell esteve so it’s probs another non story from Romano, shock

Did seem a strange one to begin with

[ClaretFelix]

Must admit I've never heard of him, so watched a couple the highlights videos to get a flavour of what we're after.
Supposedly show his best bits, where his 2nd touch looks like a tackle most of the time...

[NewClaret]

On 29th Jan when Obafemi signed, we were 17 points clear of 3rd (with a game in hand) with 17 games to go.

He was signed as an investment, thinking we could sell him for more than 2.5m at a later date. They thought it was cheap and took advantage of his fall out with Swansea.

Didn’t we go in for him in the summer though? I think those deals are instigated well before the window we sign them in, but I take your point we could’ve pulled out.

I don’t disagree with your assessment, just that Kompany did say in that window they were trying to plan for both scenarios, which is sensible. With two strikers reaching the end of their careers it probably just felt a “no regrets” kind of deal as it’s always best to strengthen when you’re doing well.

All that said I’m not against us signing players we feel we’re able to pick up cheaply and sell for a profit. It won’t be a model that everyone likes, particularly if the first team aren’t doing well, but for me if it’s done with the right intentions of growing and improving the club I am fine with it.

[Goliath]

Didn’t we go in for him in the summer though? I think those deals are instigated well before the window we sign them in, but I take your point we could’ve pulled out.

I don’t disagree with your assessment, just that Kompany did say in that window they were trying to plan for both scenarios, which is sensible. With two strikers reaching the end of their careers it probably just felt a “no regrets” kind of deal as it’s always best to strengthen when you’re doing well.

All that said I’m not against us signing players we feel we’re able to pick up cheaply and sell for a profit. It won’t be a model that everyone likes, particularly if the first team aren’t doing well, but for me if it’s done with the right intentions of growing and improving the club I am fine with it.

Agreed but i think there needs to be a bit more focus on player character. There is a risk of it all falling to pieces once the old guard have gone if we aren't careful.

I don't know what Obafemis been like behind the scenes and never will but the amount of fuss he kicked up at Swansea followed by putting himself front and centre of the title winning celebrations having played an absolutely minimal part didn't sit well with me at all. We had Barnes and Cork trying to stay in the background whilsy Obafemi was up there taking the limelight, bizarre.

Theres a few others still at the club who could probably be questioned in this regard as well based on what we've seen so far.

[Westleigh]

Agreed but i think there needs to be a bit more focus on player character. There is a risk of it all falling to pieces once the old guard have gone if we aren't careful.

I don't know what Obafemis been like behind the scenes and never will but the amount of fuss he kicked up at Swansea followed by putting himself front and centre of the title winning celebrations having played an absolutely minimal part didn't sit well with me at all. We had Barnes and Cork trying to stay in the background whilsy Obafemi was up there taking the limelight, bizarre.

Theres a few others still at the club who could probably be questioned in this regard as well based on what we've seen so far.

Couldn’t have put it better ,we don’t want any bad characters in the club ,which he probably isn’t ,but we don’t one someone clowning around all the time unless he’s as good as Gaza was ,

[DCWat]

Couldn’t have put it better ,we don’t want any bad characters in the club ,which he probably isn’t ,but we don’t one someone clowning around all the time unless he’s as good as Gaza was ,

Did you see his strip?

[Swizzlestick]

Agreed but i think there needs to be a bit more focus on player character. There is a risk of it all falling to pieces once the old guard have gone if we aren't careful.

I don't know what Obafemis been like behind the scenes and never will but the amount of fuss he kicked up at Swansea followed by putting himself front and centre of the title winning celebrations having played an absolutely minimal part didn't sit well with me at all. We had Barnes and Cork trying to stay in the background whilsy Obafemi was up there taking the limelight, bizarre.

Theres a few others still at the club who could probably be questioned in this regard as well based on what we've seen so far.

Classic UTC nonsense.

[Goliath]

Classic UTC nonsense.

Sorry, which part is nonsense?

[Swizzlestick]

Sorry, which part is nonsense?

Pretty much all of it.

[Goliath]

Pretty much all of it.

So you think we should sign bad characters?

[Swizzlestick]

So you think we should sign bad characters?

Let me get this straight - you’re accusing Obafemi of being a bad character for celebrating more boisterously than you’d like?

I’ve noticed you have a habit of making wild assumptions on here and this appears to be continuing.

[Goliath]

Let me get this straight - you’re accusing Obafemi of being a bad character for celebrating more boisterously than you’d like?

I’ve noticed you have a habit of making wild assumptions on here and this appears to be continuing.

I haven't assumed a thing. I said i didn't like his behaviour at the end of the season and felt he should have had a bit more humility as he hadn't really had much influence on the season. He also left Swansea under a huge cloud.

It was a general point about us needing to sign good characters which it seems you've used to try and prove some sort of theory you've come up with.

[Swizzlestick]

I haven't assumed a thing. I said i didn't like his behaviour at the end of the season and felt he should have had a bit more humility as he hadn't really had much influence on the season. He also left Swansea under a huge cloud.

It was a general point about us needing to sign good characters which it seems you've used to try and prove some sort of theory you've come up with.

Humility? He’s part of a team that’s won the league and he’s with one of his best mates? Maybe we should have sat him in the corner and told him not to smile. You’re the one who brought up Obafemi as an example so I’m not sure why you’re confused. We had all this nonsense back in the day with Mears daring not to smile on a team photo or something - immediately written off as some kind of bad apple.

Of course we want to sign good characters, any team does, but let’s not throw players under a bus on the flimsiest of pretences,

[Anthonini]

Think it's a pity that 2 good players are leaving... I'd rather have them with us. But we don't know all of it and perhaps physically they are not ready to do something in the premier league because they both have outstanding techniques.

Also the Vigouroux move is a bit strange, now we have to get a new third keeper? Or do we have a good youth prospect that can fill in that position?

Hope we can convince 2-3 good players with the physicality to play in the PL. This is the thing we miss out on compared to other teams. We are technically as good as any side but we lack a bit of power, speed, endurance and size. Physical specimens which our opponents do have.

Therefore I like the names of Gueye and Fofana and Esteve. Seem to be strong players who could give our team a boost in that area. Still waiting on those fullbacks though.

[Nori1958]

Suggestions Churlinov has failed medical at shalka

[Grimsdale]

Suggestions Churlinov has failed medical at shalka

Strange as Schalke have just released an announcement video: https://twitter.com/s04/status/1749703261949759770

[Nori1958]

Suggestions Churlinov has failed medical at shalka

Suggestions were 100% wrong as he's now joined

[bumba]

Suggestions Churlinov has failed medical at shalka

Suggested by who...you?

[randomclaret2]

Suggestions were 100% wrong as he's now joined

Slightly off topic, but Schalke are currently 14th out of 18 in the German 2nd Division and their average attendance is 61,000

[gandhisflipflop]

Burnley’s talks with Montpellier are at an ‘advanced’ stage for French centre-back Maxim Esteve.

[@Ekremkonur]

[123EasyasBFC]

Burnley’s talks with Montpellier are at an ‘advanced’ stage for French centre-back Maxim Esteve.

[@Ekremkonur]

That’s the end of that then

[Jellybean]

So you think we should sign bad characters?

I saw a video of him on a coach celebrating with the other players, twerking with his undies on show. I can't unsee it, it honestly gave me the creeps, and it's all I can picture when his name comes up!

I can't understand why we signed him, he was injured when we signed him I think and seemingly injured most of the time since.

[burnley007]

Burnley’s talks with Montpellier are at an ‘advanced’ stage for French centre-back Maxim Esteve.

[@Ekremkonur]

[Rick_Muller]

Kalvin Phillips looks to be off to West Ham on loan according to TalkSport on X

https://x.com/talkSPORT/status/1749697559994814501?s=20

[Robbie_painter]

Agreed but i think there needs to be a bit more focus on player character. There is a risk of it all falling to pieces once the old guard have gone if we aren't careful.

I don't know what Obafemis been like behind the scenes and never will but the amount of fuss he kicked up at Swansea followed by putting himself front and centre of the title winning celebrations having played an absolutely minimal part didn't sit well with me at all. We had Barnes and Cork trying to stay in the background whilsy Obafemi was up there taking the limelight, bizarre.

Theres a few others still at the club who could probably be questioned in this regard as well based on what we've seen so far.

Shame on him for celebrating!! Should’ve been sent packing straight back to Swansea.

[gandhisflipflop]

That’s the end of that then

How so?

[123EasyasBFC]

How so?

That source

[gandhisflipflop]

That source

I’m not well up on sources. Just posting what I’ve seen elsewhere.

[Guller Bull]

So with Obafemi out on loan,
potentially Benson out on loan
and selling or loaning Churlinov.

Fofana in on loan.

We have two places in the squad available. Is that right.
Any more ins!outs expected?

[NewClaret]

Agreed but i think there needs to be a bit more focus on player character. There is a risk of it all falling to pieces once the old guard have gone if we aren't careful.

I don't know what Obafemis been like behind the scenes and never will but the amount of fuss he kicked up at Swansea followed by putting himself front and centre of the title winning celebrations having played an absolutely minimal part didn't sit well with me at all. We had Barnes and Cork trying to stay in the background whilsy Obafemi was up there taking the limelight, bizarre.

Theres a few others still at the club who could probably be questioned in this regard as well based on what we've seen so far.

I have to say, I think this is a really bizarre take. Few points in response:

1. I don’t think it’s right to criticise any player for celebrating a title win. Some players are introverted, some are extroverts and they need both. Our squads, I would say, have often had a mix - Barnsey being the obvious class clown until recently. In respect to the part he played, keeping other players on their toes, avoiding complacency and motivated is a role in itself, but also if you look at City’s celebrations you could argue Grealish’ celebrations were more exuberant than his contribution. I don’t think anyone is questioning the City squads character.

2. I personally think we’ve signed some really good characters, both last season and this season. THB, Maatsen, Tella, Ekdal, Beyer, Vitinho, O’Shea, Massengo, etc - all seem really good lads and in Mastsen’s case he did a Christmas present drop for deserving locals last year & Massengo is living in the area and immersing himself in all things Burnley.

3. Further to that, as Kompany has said a few times, the squad seem to have the right attitude and focus on improvement. No players seem to be complaining about lack of game time, even Muric who is say has reason to be most aggrieved, just getting on with it and working hard (seen loads of our players posting workouts, etc on SM during this break).

4. So overall I see no evidence we are not considering players character when recruiting. Quite the opposite. What I think you might be referring to is leadership and I’d agree with some posts on here that we risk losing a lot of that this summer. Worth remembering though that Mee and Tarks didn’t become leaders in their first 20 games. It comes with experience and will develop within this team too.

[Goliath]

I have to say, I think this is a really bizarre take. Few points in response:

1. I don’t think it’s right to criticise any player for celebrating a title win. Some players are introverted, some are extroverts and they need both. Our squads, I would say, have often had a mix - Barnsey being the obvious class clown until recently. In respect to the part he played, keeping other players on their toes, avoiding complacency and motivated is a role in itself, but also if you look at City’s celebrations you could argue Grealish’ celebrations were more exuberant than his contribution. I don’t think anyone is questioning the City squads character.

2. I personally think we’ve signed some really good characters, both last season and this season. THB, Maatsen, Tella, Ekdal, Beyer, Vitinho, O’Shea, Massengo, etc - all seem really good lads and in Mastsen’s case he did a Christmas present drop for deserving locals last year & Massengo is living in the area and immersing himself in all things Burnley.

3. Further to that, as Kompany has said a few times, the squad seem to have the right attitude and focus on improvement. No players seem to be complaining about lack of game time, even Muric who is say has reason to be most aggrieved, just getting on with it and working hard (seen loads of our players posting workouts, etc on SM during this break).

4. So overall I see no evidence we are not considering players character when recruiting. Quite the opposite. What I think you might be referring to is leadership and I’d agree with some posts on here that we risk losing a lot of that this summer. Worth remembering though that Mee and Tarks didn’t become leaders in their first 20 games. It comes with experience and will develop within this team too.

I didn't know people were so protective over Michael Obafemi, as i said his celebrations didn't sit well with me, I thought it was a bit pathetic that he was taking so much glory out of something he hardly contributed to. People might disagree, that's not a problem.

The evidence that we arent considering it enough is on the pitch, you may accept poor work ethic in some players but i wouldn't and there's a few that have shown it this season.
Amdouni, Odobert, Tresor, Obafemi, Roberts even Berge at times although I think hes a fantastic player have all shown questionable work ethics or attitudes at times. It shouldnt be acceptable.

Also the posting of workouts is very simple PR. Its literally their job to stay fit whilst they are away, they aren't going above and beyond there.

[NewClaret]

I didn't know people were so protective over Michael Obafemi, as i said his celebrations didn't sit well with me, I thought it was a bit pathetic that he was taking so much glory out of something he hardly contributed to. People might disagree, that's not a problem.

The evidence that we arent considering it enough is on the pitch, you may accept poor work ethic in some players but i wouldn't and there's a few that have shown it this season.
Amdouni, Odobert, Tresor, Obafemi, Roberts even Berge at times although I think hes a fantastic player have all shown questionable work ethics or attitudes at times. It shouldnt be acceptable.

Also the posting of workouts is very simple PR. Its literally their job to stay fit whilst they are away, they aren't going above and beyond there.

I’m not being protective of him, just saying I disagree with your view for reasons stated.

In all honesty, Tresor aside, I’ve not seen what I would say is lack of effort this season on the pitch. Lack of physicality, yes, lack of quality in some areas, yes, but not effort. I’d counter that I’ve seen Vitinho run the length of the pitch to catch up Watkins and tackle vs Villa and Koleosho sprinting back to make challenges the likes of which I never saw from McNeil.

Yes it is PR, but they have to actually put the work in to gain that opportunity too.

Anyway, we’ll agree to disagree.

[123EasyasBFC]

So with Obafemi out on loan,
potentially Benson out on loan
and selling or loaning Churlinov.

Fofana in on loan.

We have two places in the squad available. Is that right.
Any more ins!outs expected?

You’d imagine Redmond is another spare place in the squad to

[gandhisflipflop]

You’d imagine Redmond is another spare place in the squad to

Darko was registered wasnt he?

Edit - didn’t see his name mentioned initially

[jedi_master]

Definitely feels like we're clearing the decks ready for signings. In reality, Obafemi and Churlinov were not going to be involved so this is good business. I just hope Churlinov does enough to get a permanent deal. Obafemi might be useful to us in the Championship depending on what he shows at Millwall.

[jojomk1]

Definitely feels like we're clearing the decks ready for signings.

Or has somebody realised that having a current squad numbering 40 (inc loans in and out) is unsustainable next season

[ClaretOfMancunia]

I didn't know people were so protective over Michael Obafemi, as i said his celebrations didn't sit well with me, I thought it was a bit pathetic that he was taking so much glory out of something he hardly contributed to. People might disagree, that's not a problem.

I certainly disagree. How do you know he wasn't an integral figure in the dressing room and on the training pitch?

If he's not allowed to celebrate then who is? Should none of the fringe players celebrated? Maybe the physios shouldn't have either now you mention it. Or any of the performance and recruitment analysts. Nor any of the second string coaches. Or even the ball boys. Nor me and you, since you know, we didn't get 90 minutes on the pitch for every game either.

Personally I'd have been upset if he *didn't* celebrate. If we're talking about character, that'd be a red flag for me.

[Goliath]

I certainly disagree. How do you know he wasn't an integral figure in the dressing room and on the training pitch?

If he's not allowed to celebrate then who is? Should none of the fringe players celebrated? Maybe the physios shouldn't have either now you mention it. Or any of the performance and recruitment analysts. Nor any of the second string coaches. Or even the ball boys. Nor me and you, since you know, we didn't get 90 minutes on the pitch for every game either.

Personally I'd have been upset if he *didn't* celebrate. If we're talking about character, that'd be a red flag for me.

Where did I say he shouldn't celebrate?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Reminds me of when Robbie Painter dared to celebrate promotion when we won the 4th division despite only signing on deadline day. Never forgiven him and really tarnished the season for me.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Reminds me of when Robbie Painter dared to celebrate promotion when we won the 4th division despite only signing on deadline day. Never forgiven him and really tarnished the season for me.

It is amazing what some folk get wound up about

[Goliath]

Nobodys wound up.

[StayingDown4Ever]

I wonder if it infuriated them when JJ Watt was on the open top bus going through town?

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Where did I say he shouldn't celebrate?

Slightly pedantic. If his celebrations didn't "sit well", presumably you would have been happier if he didn't.

[jojomk1]

Looks like Phillips is going to City on loan
Another one that got away

[Nori1958]

Looks like Phillips is going to City on loan
Another one that got away

How can it be one that got away, when it's never been on in the first place?