January transfer window rumours.

[KRBFC]

Sacha adamant benson was going to Leeds because gnonto was going to West Ham, got it completely wrong and now tapping into Southampton story hahaha such a tap in merchant

You seem to struggle with understanding how transfers work, I’m not sure why you’re going at Sacha, he’s been pretty much spot on with us since VK walked through the door, Sacha was the one who said we were initially signing Benson, he also broke the Benson leaving on loan story.

[Pickles]

Wingers always rotate in the modern game and barely finish 90 minutes. Heck, look at our lot this season even - bet you'll struggle to find many that played the full 90 consistently.

I was replying to this

You'd have thought he played 10 games last year with some of the replies.

Ten games isn't too far off.

But anyway - it's opinions isn't it and we're all guessing anyhow. I don't think he's a Premier League player, and I don't know if he can replicate what he did last season in the Championship. He'd be better in a slower, less physical league. Saudi? Can absolutely see that happening.

Zaroury has a much higher ceiling.

[Nori1958]

You seem to struggle with understanding how transfers work, I’m not sure why you’re going at Sacha, he’s been pretty much spot on with us since VK walked through the door, Sacha was the one who said we were initially signing Benson, he also broke the Benson leaving on loan story.

He hasn't left yet

[KRBFC]

Love Benson but if we can get a decent fee, this is the correct decision for me. Just cannot stay fit and I don’t think we can afford to start him with his non existent off the ball work.

We need a consistent right midfielder who will work hard and is available to play every week.

[daveisaclaret]

He played 37 games last season so 10 games is actually quite far off.

[Pickles]

He played 37 games last season so 10 games is actually quite far off.

Yes. If a team can afford to keep a player because they play ten to fifteen minutes per game then absolutely fair enough.

[daveisaclaret]

Yes. If a team can afford to keep a player because they play ten to fifteen minutes per game then absolutely fair enough.

Averaged 45 minutes in the league games he appeared in.

It really feels like you are just making **** up here.

[123EasyasBFC]

You seem to struggle with understanding how transfers work, I’m not sure why you’re going at Sacha, he’s been pretty much spot on with us since VK walked through the door, Sacha was the one who said we were initially signing Benson, he also broke the Benson leaving on loan story.

He hasn’t been spot on, everything was already in public knowledge, like I said he just said Leeds are signing a Japanese right back from Belgium but it’s actually Luton. A journalist getting upset if another journalist doesn’t quote them in a tweet is so tinpot

[Newcastleclaret93]

Yes. If a team can afford to keep a player because they play ten to fifteen minutes per game then absolutely fair enough.

He averaged 45 mins per performance

[ksrclaret]

I don’t think we can afford to start him with his non existent off the ball work.

Aside from JBG, every winger on our books could be described as having non existent off the ball work and that's why we're down.

At least Benson has decent on the ball work unlike many of the others.

[BOYSIE31]

At least benson can do something with the ball when he has it

[Westleigh]

Yes. If a team can afford to keep a player because they play ten to fifteen minutes per game then absolutely fair enough.

OGS didn’t do bad at Old Trafford used mainly as a substitute ,played 336 ,and 150 of them he came on as sub,scored 126 goals and 33 in the last 15 mins.

[123EasyasBFC]

There have been multiple people commenting that benson hasn’t been putting it in at training and yes that could of started by the fact kompany didn’t give him a chance but if you aren’t willing to put the effort in training then you won’t get a game simple as that

[CoolClaret]

There have been multiple people commenting that benson hasn’t been putting it in at training and yes that could of started by the fact kompany didn’t give him a chance but if you aren’t willing to put the effort in training then you won’t get a game simple as that

VKs man management, tactics and team selection clearly working wonders this season aren't they?

[ksrclaret]

There have been multiple people commenting that benson hasn’t been putting it in at training and yes that could of started by the fact kompany didn’t give him a chance but if you aren’t willing to put the effort in training then you won’t get a game simple as that

The Benson shirking training nonsense was made up horseshite by one poster on here.

[Pickles]

Okay, he averaged forty-five minutes of the games he played. My apologies. I'm still not so sure that's a strong argument for consistency especially when you consider his all round game.

He made the majority of his impact off the bench, late in games, when defenders were knackered and we were throwing the kitchen sink. When it came to relying on him to work within the system for large chunks of matches, especially off the ball, he just couldn't do it. And like it or lump it, you need to be able to do that.

Many said on this messageboard last season that he wasn't the same player if he started games. He just couldn't get himself involved enough.

He's a marvellous maverick of a player. But what happens when the worldies dry up? Because they will surely, no?

[KRBFC]

Aside from JBG, every winger on our books could be described as having non existent off the ball work and that's why we're down.

At least Benson has decent on the ball work unlike many of the others.

So you would start Benson over Odobert? I wouldn’t.

Not sure you can have two lazy wingers at this level especially when we’re lacking in other areas.

[burnley007]

My God you lot are tedious

[ksrclaret]

So you would start Benson over Odobert? I wouldn’t.

Not sure you can have two lazy wingers at this level especially when we’re lacking in other areas.

No Odobert has done well.

I'd certainly be having him brought on over the likes of Tresor and Bruun Larsen though.

[123EasyasBFC]

VKs man management, tactics and team selection clearly working wonders this season aren't they?

Who’s said that but if he’s picking players who are putting effort in training then you can’t complain at that.

You are very quick to say benson should be getting a chance without knowing ins and outs and blaming kompany, the board, the recruitment policy, Alan pace cap and even the letters and numbers on back of the FA Cup shirts

But nobody actually knows why he’s not played. But there’s much bigger problems with performances than benson not getting a chance

[Goody1975]

It's the balance we have in the team that's important.

The left side is decent because we have our most attacking wide man complimented by our steadiest full back. The other side is a big issue, we have to play JBG more often than not because our right back position is weak and he is probably the best option to protect them. This is the reason I've been banging on about the right back position being the priority for new blood.

Last season we played Brownhill in the number 10 role, this gave us protection and allowed two attacking wingers (obviously we were playing lower quality opposition as well). Amdouni can't offer this.

The balance in and out of possession has been our downfall all season, we are being more pragmatic in recent weeks but those gaps still exist.

The way we setup at present means Benson will always be a ten minute man when we are chasing games, would he be happy with this anyway?

[CoolClaret]

It's batshit mental that his worldie goals are somehow being used as a negative?

If you think his game is just scoring a few shots after cutting in top bins then you don't know what the **** you're watching.

[123EasyasBFC]

The Benson shirking training nonsense was made up horseshite by one poster on here.

Not what I got told from a lad who knows one of the youth coaches, said both benson and zaroury constantly going to physios in training and not working hard off the ball

But again it’s all hearsay, nobody actually knows

[KRBFC]

No Odobert has done well.

I'd certainly be having him brought on over the likes of Tresor and Bruun Larsen though.

Don’t disagree with that but are we not better getting a good fee while we can and reinvesting it other areas?

[CoolClaret]

Not what I got told from a lad who knows one of the youth coaches, said both benson and zaroury constantly going to physios in training and not working hard off the ball

But again it’s all hearsay, nobody actually knows

Ahh b0llocks then

[ksrclaret]

Not what I got told from a lad who knows one of the youth coaches, said both benson and zaroury constantly going to physios in training and not working hard off the ball

But again it’s all hearsay, nobody actually knows

Exactly, nobody actually knows and hearsay and rumours are rife at every football club.

I’m not referring to you here, but the problem is when idiots start spreading these things as though they’re factual.

[123EasyasBFC]

It's batshit mental that his worldie goals are somehow being used as a negative?

If you think his game is just scoring a few shots after cutting in top bins then you don't know what the **** you're watching.

You are constantly posting about falling out the with game and the tradition of Burnley football club but can’t for one second think that maybe benson isn’t working hard enough in training that a Burnley player should be.

How is people having a counter argument as to why benson isn’t playing bit the same as you have a counter argument to every decision the club makes at the minute?

It’s like you don’t want anyone else to give a balanced opinion when it comes to benson

[123EasyasBFC]

Exactly, nobody actually knows and hearsay and rumours are rife at every football club.

I’m not referring to you here, but the problem is when idiots start spreading these things as though they’re factual.

Benson would have made a different against palace and wolves away but if he wasn’t working as hard as Redmond or Larsen or Tresor in training then fair enough.

But if it’s purely because he wasn’t to play Tresor into form then it’s crazy

[123EasyasBFC]

Ahh b0llocks then

If we had benson under Garlick and dyche and he had played so little after the season we had last season would you be this negative? Or is it because you don’t like the current regime

[daveisaclaret]

As a Dyche lover, I don't think Dyche would dream of putting Benson on a football pitch and I think that's a knock against Dyche.

It's also just more made up **** though.

[123EasyasBFC]

As a Dyche lover, I don't think Dyche would dream of putting Benson on a football pitch and I think that's a knock against Dyche.

It's also just more made up **** though.

The point was coolclaret can’t for one second give any balanced reason as to why Kompany isn’t playing benson, and the constant negativity towards the way the club is doing things, would he interesting if the same negativity would come if it was still dyche in charge

[Newcastleclaret93]

So you would start Benson over Odobert? I wouldn’t.

Not sure you can have two lazy wingers at this level especially when we’re lacking in other areas.

Odobert plays of the left?

I would certainly start him ahead of either Larsen or JBG

[jedi_master]

The re-writing of history r.e Manuel Benson is laughable.

Benson was arguably our biggest match winner last season. He scored several point/match winning goals and was one who got better and better as the season developed. He was the player who looked more than good enough for this league in the Cup games against higher opposition. Using his minutes on the pitch as a stick to beat him with is non-sensical - that was our strategy for the majority of the season. Wear teams down then unleash Benny. How is that something to have a go at the player for?

He was being linked with clubs like Milan in the summer and we were all delighted to see him sign a new contract. Undoubtedly if we had sold him in the summer for less than £20m, a large proportion of those now saying ‘right decision’ would have been incandescent with rage at us selling him. As it is, we got him a bumper new deal, signed a boatload of ineffective (exceptions being Koleosho and Odobert who both play off the left rather than right) wingers and didn’t give Benson a chance when fit. As a result his transfer value will be negiligble in comparison now you’d imagine.

Excepting Koleosho and Odobert who play off the left, our other wide options to Benson are hardly pulling trees up are they? Tresor (Looking a preposterous signing at €18m, left winger), Bruun-Larsen (Loan, buy? Doesn’t look good enough regardless), JBG (Old, injury prone), Zaroury (Out of form, left winger), Redmond (Long term injury, seemingly unwanted by Kompany).

This is also not even reflecting on the fact that we’re almost certainly relegated and selling one of our very best players for that division! I’m all for defending Kompany and the clubs overall strategy on buy young/sell high but we have utterly messed that up with Benson. If he wasn’t going to be in the picture the time to sell was last summer. As it is we have nosedived his valuation (like quite a few players…) and then let him go.

[123EasyasBFC]

The re-writing of history r.e Manuel Benson is laughable.

Benson was arguably our biggest match winner last season. He scored several point/match winning goals and was one who got better and better as the season developed. He was the player who looked more than good enough for this league in the Cup games against higher opposition. Using his minutes on the pitch as a stick to beat him with is non-sensical - that was our strategy for the majority of the season. Wear teams down then unleash Benny. How is that something to have a go at the player for?

He was being linked with clubs like Milan in the summer and we were all delighted to see him sign a new contract. Undoubtedly if we had sold him in the summer for less than £20m, a large proportion of those now saying ‘right decision’ would have been incandescent with rage at us selling him. As it is, we got him a bumper new deal, signed a boatload of ineffective (exceptions being Koleosho and Odobert who both play off the left rather than right) wingers and didn’t give Benson a chance when fit. As a result his transfer value will be negiligble in comparison now you’d imagine.

Excepting Koleosho and Odobert who play off the left, our other wide options to Benson are hardly pulling trees up are they? Tresor (Looking a preposterous signing at €18m, left winger), Bruun-Larsen (Loan, buy? Doesn’t look good enough regardless), JBG (Old, injury prone), Zaroury (Out of form, left winger), Redmond (Long term injury, seemingly unwanted by Kompany).

This is also not even reflecting on the fact that we’re almost certainly relegated and selling one of our very best players for that division! I’m all for defending Kompany and the clubs overall strategy on buy young/sell high but we have utterly messed that up with Benson. If he wasn’t going to be in the picture the time to sell was last summer. As it is we have nosedived his valuation (like quite a few players…) and then let him go.

I don’t think his value has nosedived, it’s all about negotiation. Bournemouth have just loaned a player to Napoli with an obligation to buy for 25m, they signed last January and he barely featured for them.

I’m not convinced AC Milan where ever in for him last season, there’s not been a single team in Europe linked to sign him on loan this Jan

[RVclaret]

JBG is the top chance creator per 90 minutes in our entire team this season. As well as being several levels above any other option for defensive work / PL nous in the narrow right midfield slot in our 4-4-2. Put some respect on the Iceman’s name!

Oh and Benson was never linked to Milan, a fake bot Twitter account (Ekrem Konur) made that up.

[KRBFC]

Odobert plays of the left?

I would certainly start him ahead of either Larsen or JBG

You missed the point, we can’t have two lazy wingers so that means dropping Odobert from the left to accommodate Benson on the right

[jedi_master]

I don’t think his value has nosedived, it’s all about negotiation. Bournemouth have just loaned a player to Napoli with an obligation to buy for 25m, they signed last January and he barely featured for them.

I’m not convinced AC Milan where ever in for him last season, there’s not been a single team in Europe linked to sign him on loan this Jan

I hope you’re right r.e valuation, we’ll see I suppose. If it’s a loan with an option to buy it will be very interesting what the number is, I’m not confident on it being the £15-20m figure he would have rightly been worth last summer.

[123EasyasBFC]

Odobert plays of the left?

I would certainly start him ahead of either Larsen or JBG

I certainly wouldn’t have benson and Vitinho in the same side in the premier league. A stronger prem quality right back would of allowed us to compensate benson on the right this season

[123EasyasBFC]

I hope you’re right r.e valuation, we’ll see I suppose. If it’s a loan with an option to buy it will be very interesting what the number is, I’m not confident on it being the £15-20m figure he would have rightly been worth last summer.

The thing with potentially loaning to Southampton is we clearly had a valuation of tella which they didn’t agree with so would be hard for us to negotiate that benson should warrant a higher fee

[CoolClaret]

The point was coolclaret can’t for one second give any balanced reason as to why Kompany isn’t playing benson, and the constant negativity towards the way the club is doing things, would he interesting if the same negativity would come if it was still dyche in charge

If we weren't this **** then I'd accept it.

When you're crap and a match winner from your 101 point title winning side barely gets a kick then fingers rightly pointed, that's how it works.

[Rileybobs]

JBG is the top chance creator per 90 minutes in our entire team this season. As well as being several levels above any other option for defensive work / PL nous in the narrow right midfield slot in our 4-4-2. Put some respect on the Iceman’s name!

This in itself is a very poor reflection of our transfer business.

[Tricky Trevor]

The other side is a big issue, we have to play JBG more often than not because our right back position is weak and he is probably the best option to protect them. This is the reason I've been banging on about the right back position being the priority for new blood.

Spot on. I wish the manager could see it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

JBG is the top chance creator per 90 minutes in our entire team this season. As well as being several levels above any other option for defensive work / PL nous in the narrow right midfield slot in our 4-4-2. Put some respect on the Iceman’s name!

Oh and Benson was never linked to Milan, a fake bot Twitter account (Ekrem Konur) made that up.

I heard the iceman is crap in training and told VK to do one. Heard he’s getting sold this window

[RVclaret]

I heard the iceman is crap in training and told VK to do one. Heard he’s getting sold this window

What a weapon

[jedi_master]

JBG is the top chance creator per 90 minutes in our entire team this season. As well as being several levels above any other option for defensive work / PL nous in the narrow right midfield slot in our 4-4-2. Put some respect on the Iceman’s name!

Oh and Benson was never linked to Milan, a fake bot Twitter account (Ekrem Konur) made that up.

If a response to my wall of text;

- Absolute respect for JBG, he’s been a stalwart for us. He is 34 this year though and has had injury troubles over his time here. Hes also far better centrally than wide these days. I cannot really look at him as a compelling alternative to Benson, chalk and cheese. The fact he’s playing this season is down to the inadequacies of our right back position. If we had signed someone who was capable of playing there then Benson might actually have had a chance and we might have played our fluid 4-3-3-ish formation from last season to get the best out of our wingers as opposed to playing with two strikers. Criminal error on the clubs part to go with Roberts and Vitinho only and has affected the likes of Benson and Zaroury in a round about way. We’ve stunted ourselves to protect them.

- Yes probably was ******** - he was playing well enough to believe he’d get attention at approaching that level though. He was easily in the 15-20 bracket last summer, no doubt. Sacha was saying he was on the cusp of a full Belgian call up too (although, judging on Tresor, I’m not sure what that counts for).

[ksrclaret]

I heard the iceman is crap in training and told VK to do one. Heard he’s getting sold this window

[123EasyasBFC]

If we weren't this **** then I'd accept it.

When you're crap and a match winner from your 101 point title winning side barely gets a kick then fingers rightly pointed, that's how it works.

Again benson isn’t the answer to our problems which has been mainly conceding goals, we would still be this bad with benson in the team because we don’t have a premier league quality keeper, rb, lb and cm next to Berge in the team. Benson wouldn’t change that

[123EasyasBFC]

I heard the iceman is crap in training and told VK to do one. Heard he’s getting sold this window

Hard for anyone to take any opinion you say now when one week Jack Clarke is better than all our wingers and then 2 weeks you don’t think Jack Clarke is better than any of our current wingers

[IanMcL]

Any rumours?

[spt_claret]

The re-writing of history r.e Manuel Benson is laughable.

Benson was arguably our biggest match winner last season. He scored several point/match winning goals and was one who got better and better as the season developed. He was the player who looked more than good enough for this league in the Cup games against higher opposition. Using his minutes on the pitch as a stick to beat him with is non-sensical - that was our strategy for the majority of the season. Wear teams down then unleash Benny. How is that something to have a go at the player for?

He was being linked with clubs like Milan in the summer and we were all delighted to see him sign a new contract. Undoubtedly if we had sold him in the summer for less than £20m, a large proportion of those now saying ‘right decision’ would have been incandescent with rage at us selling him. As it is, we got him a bumper new deal, signed a boatload of ineffective (exceptions being Koleosho and Odobert who both play off the left rather than right) wingers and didn’t give Benson a chance when fit. As a result his transfer value will be negiligble in comparison now you’d imagine.

Excepting Koleosho and Odobert who play off the left, our other wide options to Benson are hardly pulling trees up are they? Tresor (Looking a preposterous signing at €18m, left winger), Bruun-Larsen (Loan, buy? Doesn’t look good enough regardless), JBG (Old, injury prone), Zaroury (Out of form, left winger), Redmond (Long term injury, seemingly unwanted by Kompany).

This is also not even reflecting on the fact that we’re almost certainly relegated and selling one of our very best players for that division! I’m all for defending Kompany and the clubs overall strategy on buy young/sell high but we have utterly messed that up with Benson. If he wasn’t going to be in the picture the time to sell was last summer. As it is we have nosedived his valuation (like quite a few players…) and then let him go.

Absolutely 100% spot on, every word.
There'll be people who won't like it though because they have to blindly agree with everything the club does nowadays, apparently if you don't do that you're not a true supporter and are just trying to take potshots at Saint Alan's glorious regime.