What is Berge’s best position?

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What is Berge’s best position?

Post by DocSavage » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:39 pm

Any thoughts on this?
He’s getting better by the game but I do think he is more effective a bit further forward. Maybe try massengo as a holding midfielder along with Cullen and Brownhill and it may give Berge a bit more freedom?

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:42 pm

Behind the striker in a three I would have thought.
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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:45 pm

I like Berge. I'd prefer to see him further forward but having said that he's got a great ability to pick the ball up deep and make runs.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:47 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:45 pm
I like Berge. I'd prefer to see him further forward but having said that he's got a great ability to pick the ball up deep and make runs.
I agree but think he would hurt teams constantly with his through balls if just behind the striker.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:56 pm

He’s class, exactly the sort of player I’ve wanted us to sign for as long as I’ve watched Burnley. He can only get better

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Stalbansclaret » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:57 pm

I spent most of Saturdays game thinking "Get Berge further forward" and think his best position is as an attacking midfielder. His ability to glide forward with the ball ...seen to good effect for instance late in both games at Forest this season...would give us creativity through the middle of the pitch

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Pickles » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:58 pm

Probably our best option deeper at the moment (not saying much) but I think ideally he'd be a bit further up.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:59 pm

Central midfield along side muric utc

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by CoolClaret » Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:05 pm

Thought it’d be further forward but we really need his presence/size/stature in the middle of the park; he’s also very comfortable passing/receiving the ball in tight spaces/on the half turn.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by DocSavage » Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:07 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:59 pm
Central midfield along side muric utc
😂😂😂😂

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Papabendi » Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:19 pm

One of few signings that seem to have worked so far.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by gawthorpe_view » Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:00 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:59 pm
Central midfield along side muric utc
Well they do say you should never say never!
:D

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by claretandy » Wed Nov 08, 2023 3:19 pm

His best position is inside right, number 8, not 10.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:08 pm

Dunno, ask his missus.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:32 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:08 pm
Dunno, ask his missus.
As we are lacking shots on target, I hope he's practicing 'the rifleman'!

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:01 pm

I may be old school, but I think Berge would make a good sweeper like Dobbo used to do with great effect late in his career.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by northernpowerhouse » Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:08 pm

I think his best position is fairly deep but with the freedom to get forward a lot. Similar to Yaya Toure or Pogba.

In the PL that probably means playing him in a midfield three with two other players who can cover for him.
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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by dougcollins » Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:31 pm

I still don't think his tackling is his best attribute - I'd like to see him pushing on, higher up the pitch.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:56 pm

Central between two slices of bread.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Roosterbooster » Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:18 pm

2 weeks ago, attacking narrow right mid, definitely not a DCM

After Saturday... DCM?

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:51 pm

I would imagine playing behind Amdouni with either Koleosho and or Tresor either side plus Foster.
That is probably Kompany's favoured front line.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:43 pm

In front of Brownhill and Cork in a midfield 3

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by alwaysaclaret » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:44 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:43 pm
In front of Brownhill and Cork in a midfield 3
With larsen and Koleosho wide

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by dougcollins » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Roosterbooster wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:18 pm
2 weeks ago, attacking narrow right mid, definitely not a DCM

After Saturday... DCM?

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by claretspice » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:32 pm

His best performances have come in deeper roles when the game is primarily in front of him, and he can pick the ball up and progress it from deep and also drive onto second balls. He was by some distance our best player last weekend playing in that deeper playmaking role and I'd keep him there and build around him.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:48 pm

Against the better teams he needs to be further forward.

Against sides around us he's good enough to carry the ball from deeper.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Goobs » Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:55 pm

Reckon he'd fit in perfectly sat as a sort of 8 just behind a front 2 of archer and McBurnie 😉

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by claretspice » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:02 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:48 pm
Against the better teams he needs to be further forward.

Against sides around us he's good enough to carry the ball from deeper.
I'd argue against the best sides, if we're to try and play out (which realistically we have to; we don't have the front players to do anything else) we need someone who can shield and protect the ball from deep and move it forwards under pressure. Which Berge can do better than any other player we have.

He looks lost to me when he's forced to play on the half turn because he's in front of the ball.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:32 pm

claretspice wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:02 pm
I'd argue against the best sides, if we're to try and play out (which realistically we have to; we don't have the front players to do anything else) we need someone who can shield and protect the ball from deep and move it forwards under pressure. Which Berge can do better than any other player we have.

He looks lost to me when he's forced to play on the half turn because he's in front of the ball.
The best part of his game, that I have seen so far, is him running with the ball between the opposition midfield and defence. Where midfield chases him and defence backs off.
If you run at their midfield from our half, their midfield pounces.

Receiving the ball on the half turn is a bugbear for me since Vinny came in. It's a staple for Pep but we are useless at it.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by fidelcastro » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:31 am

ashtonlongsider wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:01 pm
I may be old school, but I think Berge would make a good sweeper like Dobbo used to do with great effect late in his career.
Glad you're not the manager.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by ClaretOfMancunia » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:38 am

Agree with most of the opinions in this thread.

What surprises me is how nimble he is for a tall lad. He has wrongfooted defenders more than once with a quick change of direction.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:14 am

northernpowerhouse wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 8:08 pm
I think his best position is fairly deep but with the freedom to get forward a lot. Similar to Yaya Toure or Pogba.

In the PL that probably means playing him in a midfield three with two other players who can cover for him.
I think you're right.

Be interesting to see how he could potentially play with Brownhill and Cullen or even say a Massengo gets up to it... two work horses ratting about either side of him

I will say that I think he definitely has shown that he can play in the PL, along with our man main Lyle

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by spt_claret » Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:02 am

He reminds me of a better Chris McCann. Box to box midfielder who excels at driving runs carrying the ball, mobile and big/strong enough to help with the defence, best passing is short-range and around the transition into the final third / halfway into the opposition half.
The problem we're having with accomodating him is we play a very heavily delineated midfield in general- 2 defensive midfielders 1 attacking midfielder, not really using that orthodox central position. I could see him doing well further forwards in an outright attacking role but he's got the attributes for the deeper role which is one we're finding harder to fill, so can understand him playing there for now.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:08 am

I think he can be a good DM - especially if allowed to drive forward. Needs a Cullen alongside rather than Brownhill for me.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:12 am

He looked totally different playing for Sheff U where he came across as a combative midfielder who often went wide right when attacking.
He’s not looked totally comfortable defensively for us (who has) but carries the ball very well and is probably the best we have in picking a pass in a forward position. Doesn’t panic either, so an inside right role is probably favourite

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by ClaretPete001 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:22 am

I think he looks more effective in our team playing ahead of the double pivot.

The problem is that Cullen and Brownhill just aren't effective either so you either try Messengo or Cork with Cullen and push Berge on.

You'd then want two wide players and a pacy forward. However, as the double pivot looks weak, the wingers not producing much end product and our two main strikers not available I'm not sure what you do.

Glad I'm not VK on his way to the Emirates to be honest but hope springs eternal.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:04 pm

I think he looks far better played deeper, gives him space to drive and control the game, wonderful footballer and our best player atm. Doesn’t seem to ever lose the ball, comfortable on both feet, he’s not as slow as I first thought either, long 6ft 4 stride is deceiving.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:05 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 7:04 pm
I think he looks far better played deeper, gives him space to drive and control the game, wonderful footballer and our best player atm. Doesn’t seem to ever lose the ball, comfortable on both feet, he’s not as slow as I first thought either, long 6ft 4 stride is deceiving.
Definitely our current best player. Will get better as well.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by basil6345789 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:14 pm

Longsidelenny1882 wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:59 pm
Central midfield along side muric utc
Muric would be a good centre half - he can stick the nut on an opponent for sure

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by tarkys_ears » Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:26 pm

Probably holding centre mid cos of his size / ability to keep the ball.

If we wanna go back to VK's tactic of going straight through the middle as per last season, maybe we should just stick him in the centre with the objective of carrying the ball?

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by NewClaret » Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:44 pm

Absolutely outstanding today. Seemed to move the effort levels up a notch. Our best player.
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Post by Clive 1960 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:05 am

I thought he played really well yesterday so hopefully he continues with Brownhill.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by Darthlaw » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:52 am

spt_claret wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:02 am
He reminds me of a better Chris McCann.
Impossible. Given the time McCann has not been playing for Burnley now, Chris must be at Platini level ;)

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by BabylonClaret » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:52 am

Tbh I think he can influence the game positively from anywhere in the middle. Right now though we need him sitting deeper mostly.

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Re: What is Berge’s best position?

Post by warksclaret » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:52 am

He is best in an advanced roli in CM, but in fairness has put in good performances in last 2 games playing infront of the back four. Our best player yesterday with the bulk of his passes finding his team mates

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