Gooners v Clarets match thread

[burnleymik]

Overall we have done well, but set pieces have been unbearable to watch. The only thing we can realistically change is the keeper.

[jedi_master]

Well for me if we play like this against the teams we need to take points off, we would succeed in doing so.

My biggest frustration today is our utter ineptitude to compete like this against Brentford and Bournemouth and our profligacy and sloppiness against a ‘there for the taking’ Palace.

We simply HAVE to proceed with this system and side (barring the required introductions of Muric and Ekdal for Trafford and O’Shea). A shout out for Vitinho who probably had his best game for us today. Berge was also excellent and the midfield two of him and Brownhill competed really well today.

[Indecisive]

Plenty of positives today for me.

Genuinely agree. Prob best to avoid this board though. Its painful at the minute.

[Kilson810]

Another comfortable defeat

[HahaYeah]

Coaching at the corners seems to be the problem.

[IanMcL]

Very weedy from Obafemi

[jos]

Some promising play there.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

VK better be getting Muric a big present and a sorry card after this disaster, get him back in the nets ffs!

[IanMcL]

All lovers. Good performance other than any corner!

Keeper must be replaced.

[Spiral]

Positive that it's a decentish performance undermined by bad moments, rather than a bad performance with a few good moments like most other games this season.

[KRBFC]

Another comfortable defeat

Genuinely mind blown fans expect any different away at Arsenal, I’ll tell you now we’ll get licked 3+ away at Man City too.

[Petersa]

A message to Mr Alan Pace "Why do you employ a goalkeeper who cannot keep goal? Why do you employ a manager who cannot see it?"

If Trafford is selected for the next league match after this very serious questions need to be asked

[JimmyRobbo]

I'm not disheartened by this.

A few notable performances. A better mental approach.

Same defensive issues.

[Foshiznik]

The issue is a lack of commanding the box by the keeper. Something Muric is just as **** at doing.

[123EasyasBFC]

The issue with today is we should really be able to see positives in the fact that we made it difficult for a top side and created some good chances but because we haven’t but up results against teams we should have you can’t be positives.

A team playing well and losing is a sign of a team going down

[SalisburyClaret]

A good performance apart from some non-existent organisation at corners - both defensive and attacking.

[Belial]

The issue with today is we should really be able to see positives in the fact that we made it difficult for a top side and created some good chances but because we haven’t but up results against teams we should have you can’t be positives.

A team playing well and losing is a sign of a team going down

We're 100% going down but at least there were some positives today and against Palace that bode well for the future

[Vino blanco]

Not a bad overall performance from 10 of the team, but if Trafford starts the next game before Muric then there are serious questions to be asked about VK's judgement/stubborness. Why oh why didn't we spend the Trafford money on Tella?!!

[123EasyasBFC]

We're 100% going down but at least there were some positives today and against Palace that bode well for the future

That’s my point, we should see it as positive today that results will come and if we had of picked up points in last 2 games you could feel positive

[Kilson810]

Genuinely mind blown fans expect any different away at Arsenal, I’ll tell you now we’ll get licked 3+ away at Man City too.

I didn't expect any different, although it's now 10 defeats from 12 and most of them were comfortable. Just adding to the list

[tally]

I didn't expect any different, although it's now 10 defeats from 12 and most of them were comfortable. Just adding to the list

And so the list continues to grow

[Petersa]

Not a bad overall performance from 10 of the team, but if Trafford starts the next game before Muric then there are serious questions to be asked about VK's judgement

Not only Muric, if Vigouroux, Casper, Waller, Moss, Franchi el al can't do better than that then why are they employed by a Premier League football club?

[123EasyasBFC]

Vitinho and berge best two players today for us

[Florian]

We wer never gooner win here so its a dead rubber today
Muric has gotta be given a go soon

[BurnleyFC]

Standard three conceded again.

We’re shite.

[ClaretMat]

Muric has his strengths over Trafford don't get me wrong
But if you think he makes a difference today positively then you're forgetting Sheff UTD last season. I've also not seen Trafford make a mistake akin to that Muric made against Watford last season.

[burnleymik]

Slaughtering us on talksport. "Woeful". "Can't pass, can't defend" . Ironically ai thought that is one of our better games!

[cockneyclaret]

Slaughtering us on talksport. "Woeful". "Can't pass, can't defend" . Ironically ai thought that is one of our better games!

It was live on talksport2 and they said we were in the game for 75mins, played well and again it was due to switching off let 2 goals in, actually complementary of us.
Switched it over and then heard that shite about us lol

[spt_claret]

Muric has his strengths over Trafford don't get me wrong
But if you think he makes a difference today positively then you're forgetting Sheff UTD last season. I've also not seen Trafford make a mistake akin to that Muric made against Watford last season.

Muric drastically improved from then, and calamities aside had always offered a ton in buildup.
Muric with Ekdal in front of him was a very assured keeper.
Bellis returning threw it back a step, Bellis tended to sit weirdly deep and had a habit of dropping very deep and rightwards which often wrecked our shape, he was very overrated due to his youth, Englishness, and love for attempting the Hollywood pass, but he threw the defence off. The 9 games with Ekdal in Muric looked miles more composed, yet the improvement had still been there. He was the same pre-season too against i think Real Betis.

I can understand expecting and hoping for Trafford to improve too. He will. But we're starting from a much further point behind relative to the rest of the league, than Muric was last year, which means I dont think we can afford for that waiting time.

Muric might have made those mistakes or not, might have made those saves or not, it's kind of irrelevant. The issue now is getting the young keeper who will be blaming himself for his errors, out of the firing line, and getting in the keeper who's better with the ball at his feet if we're wedded to passing it out from the back, if only for a few games to give Trafford a ******* reprieve. At least if Muric has a few mares everyone can say told you so and it all eases off. We're losing and conceding for fun anyway, the lad needs a break from the hammerings.

[ClaretMat]

Trafford isn't playing with Ekdal infront of him though? I do agree though Ekdal would help with our frailties from set pieces. I'm not sure either goalkeeper is really Premier League level at this moment, but you can say that about a number of the team.

[Petersa]

Muric drastically improved from then, and calamities aside had always offered a ton in buildup.
Muric with Ekdal in front of him was a very assured keeper.
Bellis returning threw it back a step, Bellis tended to sit weirdly deep and had a habit of dropping very deep and rightwards which often wrecked our shape, he was very overrated due to his youth, Englishness, and love for attempting the Hollywood pass, but he threw the defence off. The 9 games with Ekdal in Muric looked miles more composed, yet the improvement had still been there. He was the same pre-season too against i think Real Betis.

I can understand expecting and hoping for Trafford to improve too. He will. But we're starting from a much further point behind relative to the rest of the league, than Muric was last year, which means I dont think we can afford for that waiting time.

Muric might have made those mistakes or not, might have made those saves or not, it's kind of irrelevant. The issue now is getting the young keeper who will be blaming himself for his errors, out of the firing line, and getting in the keeper who's better with the ball at his feet if we're wedded to passing it out from the back, if only for a few games to give Trafford a ******* reprieve. At least if Muric has a few mares everyone can say told you so and it all eases off. We're losing and conceding for fun anyway, the lad needs a break from the hammerings.

Agree with virtually all of that. Simple fact for me is that today there were some decent performances agsinst a very good side, silly mistakes wreck everything and this happens again and again. There is something wrong with the current plan lets try something different

[Woodleyclaret]

Arteta did a number on us re " injuries "to his squad.Saka and others all doubtful yet recovered in time to play.Surprise; surprise

[KRBFC]

Not a bad overall performance from 10 of the team, but if Trafford starts the next game before Muric then there are serious questions to be asked about VK's judgement/stubborness. Why oh why didn't we spend the Trafford money on Tella?!!

Maybe because Trafford cost half of what Tella did?

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Been some positives last two games. Thought we kept our shape well and created some decent chances.
Second goal infuriating from both O’Shea stupidly giving the ball away a minute after the equaliser and then Traffords weakness from the corner.

[GetIntoEm]

We really lack at outlet up top when we drop deep to defend. Jay ain't that man. We miss Lyle.lets hole obafemi might be able to fill that roll

[Jamesy]

One positive for me was Vithino. Pleased for the lad, close call between him and Berge for MOM.

[123EasyasBFC]

One positive for me was Vithino. Pleased for the lad, close call between him and Berge for MOM.

I agree, other than the mistake that led to Bournemouths second goal I think Vitinho has been the player to show some confidence to drive forward with the ball and try something, just needed to make better decisions and have better touches, sighs where there against Everton and palace. Today he was really good, his shirt to lose at right back now

[Belgianclaret]

I agree, other than the mistake that led to Bournemouths second goal I think Vitinho has been the player to show some confidence to drive forward with the ball and try something, just needed to make better decisions and have better touches, sighs where there against Everton and palace. Today he was really good, his shirt to lose at right back now

Far better today, but has been quite erratic up to now this season. Gave away a cheap penalty, schoolboy error against Bournemouth and had the tendency to come inside and give the ball away each time he received the ball. Glad to see improvement anyhow

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It was quite an enjoyable and encouraging performance up until that absolute stopper of a second goal was conceded, which in turn then lead to uncertainty with the next 3 set pieces we faced that went into our box, the third of which lead to the game finishing third goal. But again I think at least we are starting to find a solid defensive shape of some kind

[123EasyasBFC]

Far better today, but has been quite erratic up to now this season. Gave away a cheap penalty, schoolboy error against Bournemouth and had the tendency to come inside and give the ball away each time he received the ball. Glad to see improvement anyhow

He was a big factor in our goal against Chelsea but yes did give away a daft pen, he does seem to have confidence to try something at least rather then playing a hopeful pass or passing backwards, no coincidence that he has had 2 better games with JBG in front of him, just a shame the power in JBGs legs have gone

[Jamesy]

I agree, other than the mistake that led to Bournemouths second goal I think Vitinho has been the player to show some confidence to drive forward with the ball and try something, just needed to make better decisions and have better touches, sighs where there against Everton and palace. Today he was really good, his shirt to lose at right back now

Can’t argue with this pal.

[warksclaret]

What I noticed yesterday, his pace allows him to cover a through ball that exposes Beyer and O Shea, and did that effectively yesterday. Plus he will not get a tougher opponent than Minarelli -I thought he contained him very well yesterday. I thought he was a liability until recently, but yesterday changed my mind, and looks like he can improve further. At least we now have two good options for RB

[Jakubclaret]

Maybe because Trafford cost half of what Tella did?

Maths wasn't my strongest subject at school but wasn't tella available for £20m & he ended up where he is now for around £20m & Trafford was £15m potentially rising to £19m. Not sure that's half or anywhere near it you are looking at £5m tops maybe even less if the add ons are realized.

[KRBFC]

Maths wasn't my strongest subject at school but wasn't tella available for £20m & he ended up where he is now for around £20m & Trafford was £15m potentially rising to £19m. Not sure that's half or anywhere near it you are looking at £5m tops maybe even less if the add ons are realized.

I thought Tella went for £25m and whilst Trafford was reported at potentially reaching £19m, I doubt it’s anywhere near £19m and probably closer to £10m

[daveisaclaret]

It's great to just make up prices for Tella and Trafford but you can't really expect people to go along with it.

[CoolClaret]

Muric has his strengths over Trafford don't get me wrong
But if you think he makes a difference today positively then you're forgetting Sheff UTD last season. I've also not seen Trafford make a mistake akin to that Muric made against Watford last season.

Sheff United away game:
https://youtu.be/dNZpCr9ZNw8?si=91cfiFlXW112AVIc

The Sheff United game being used as a stick to bash Muric is bizarre.

Non of the goals we conceded that day are his fault at all - he even saved a fair few.

The facts are is Muric has done far more for us in a clarets shirt - big moments keeping us in games and was a key player in our title winning side.

He should never have been dropped like he has.

[Jakubclaret]

I thought Tella went for £25m and whilst Trafford was reported at potentially reaching £19m, I doubt it’s anywhere near £19m and probably closer to £10m

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[Dark Cloud]

Nobody knows whether Muric would fare any better than Trafford in this league, but surely he'd done enough last season to be given the shirt first and then see where it went from there and surely it's now time the shirt was lifted from Trafford, at least for the time being when it's clear that's not working.